Re: [racket-dev] make & --clone installed pkgs
At Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:59:38 -0500, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Matthew Flatt wrote: > > At Tue, 17 Feb 2015 14:12:54 -0500, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: > > Does another system have a Racket-like in-place option (that works > > better)? > > I haven't used it, but GHC has an in-place build option where you can > install packages; see [1]. I don't have a lot of experience with GHC, but I have talked to some GHC and Cabal developers about how they work with the package system. Those discussions did not lead me to believe that they have an especially smooth system for working with packages and updates in-place --- and, in particular, that it's not the way they normally work. I'd be happy to hear more from someone who routinely works that way with GHC, though. > I think the closer analogy is to what other software does when you run > both `make` and `make install` analagous to Racket's unix-style > installation, since that's the recommended way of building (eg > Python), just as in-place is the recommended way of building Racket > from source. I don't think any of those systems update packages when > running `make install`. I'm not sure what you're getting at here. We seem to agree that the usual `make` plus `make install` is like Racket's `make unix-style`, neither of which updates packages (other than the ones the makefile knows about). > > At Tue, 17 Feb 2015 17:40:36 -0500, Matthias Felleisen wrote: > >> Speaking as the user I am, I really like it that make updates > >> my extra-pkgs. > > > > Package scope provides one a way to get these different behaviors. The > > current `make` updates only packages that are in installation scope, > > and it also sets installation scope to be the default, so that's why > > `make` tends to update everything that is installed. Maybe Sam should > > install additional packages in user scope, and then `make` won't try to > > update them. > > I expect that the packages that update for Matthias on `make` are > packages in "main-distribution" Ah, no. I've helped Matthias when problems break his installation, I've noticed that he installs packages not in "main-distribution" (e.g., "marketplace"), and I believe he really does want those updated. I had that context in mind but didn't think to spell it out as I should have. > As an aside, the reason I don't install in user scope is that I switch > between Racket implementations regularly, which would lead to > out-of-date zo errors for all my user packages (instead, I get > multiple copies of the packages). You can give each installation a different name (using `raco pkg config --set name ...`) to avoid the collision. That would be an extra step in setting up each new installation, though. I don't have a strong opinion on whether `make` should update packages outside of "main-distribution", but the feedback I'm getting is * Sam doesn't think they should be updated --- but he also doesn't want packages in "main-distribution" updated, so he's going to use `make as-is`. * Everyone else who has spoken up seems to prefer an updating `make`, so far. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Racket Developers" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to racket-dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to racket-...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-dev/20150218125203.667906501B8%40mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [racket-dev] make & --clone installed pkgs
That seems like a fair summary and since my preference is clearly the minority one, I'm happy to stick with 'make as-is'. The new mode for pulling updates will help, as well. Sam On Wed, Feb 18, 2015, 7:52 AM Matthew Flatt wrote: > At Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:59:38 -0500, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Matthew Flatt > wrote: > > > At Tue, 17 Feb 2015 14:12:54 -0500, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: > > > Does another system have a Racket-like in-place option (that works > > > better)? > > > > I haven't used it, but GHC has an in-place build option where you can > > install packages; see [1]. > > I don't have a lot of experience with GHC, but I have talked to some > GHC and Cabal developers about how they work with the package system. > Those discussions did not lead me to believe that they have an > especially smooth system for working with packages and updates in-place > --- and, in particular, that it's not the way they normally work. I'd > be happy to hear more from someone who routinely works that way with > GHC, though. > > > I think the closer analogy is to what other software does when you run > > both `make` and `make install` analagous to Racket's unix-style > > installation, since that's the recommended way of building (eg > > Python), just as in-place is the recommended way of building Racket > > from source. I don't think any of those systems update packages when > > running `make install`. > > I'm not sure what you're getting at here. We seem to agree that the > usual `make` plus `make install` is like Racket's `make unix-style`, > neither of which updates packages (other than the ones the makefile > knows about). > > > > > At Tue, 17 Feb 2015 17:40:36 -0500, Matthias Felleisen wrote: > > >> Speaking as the user I am, I really like it that make updates > > >> my extra-pkgs. > > > > > > Package scope provides one a way to get these different behaviors. The > > > current `make` updates only packages that are in installation scope, > > > and it also sets installation scope to be the default, so that's why > > > `make` tends to update everything that is installed. Maybe Sam should > > > install additional packages in user scope, and then `make` won't try to > > > update them. > > > > I expect that the packages that update for Matthias on `make` are > > packages in "main-distribution" > > Ah, no. I've helped Matthias when problems break his installation, I've > noticed that he installs packages not in "main-distribution" (e.g., > "marketplace"), and I believe he really does want those updated. > > I had that context in mind but didn't think to spell it out as I should > have. > > > > As an aside, the reason I don't install in user scope is that I switch > > between Racket implementations regularly, which would lead to > > out-of-date zo errors for all my user packages (instead, I get > > multiple copies of the packages). > > You can give each installation a different name (using `raco pkg config > --set name ...`) to avoid the collision. That would be an extra step in > setting up each new installation, though. > > > I don't have a strong opinion on whether `make` should update packages > outside of "main-distribution", but the feedback I'm getting is > > * Sam doesn't think they should be updated --- but he also doesn't >want packages in "main-distribution" updated, so he's going to use >`make as-is`. > > * Everyone else who has spoken up seems to prefer an updating `make`, >so far. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Racket Developers" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to racket-dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to racket-...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-dev/CAK%3DHD%2BbRiPnX%3DuWH2x6UjQTzkEZn5nR-UNb-9Bka8wvZHBx-GA%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [racket-dev] Racket compiler in Racket
Ok, thanks. I´ll submit it in a few days. Gustavo On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 1:13 AM, Leif Andersen wrote: > Hello, > > I am working on porting the racket compiler to racket. But it still has a > bit to go and I have not yet ported the optimizer. So go right ahead. > > Thank you. > > > ~Leif Andersen > > On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Gustavo Massaccesi > wrote: >> >> There is project to rewrite the Racket compiler in Racket. I'd like to >> know if it has advanced. In particular, if it's still possible to make >> big changes to the C code or it's better to wait and keep the code >> almost frozen. >> >> I'm planning to do few refactoring an "improvements" in the optimizer >> functions that handle predicates (for example expr_implies_predicate >> and check_known2_pred). The changes are small enough to be implemented >> in a pair of days (if I find no surprises) but they are big enough to >> be painful to port if the code is already translated. >> >> Gustavo >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Racket Developers" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to racket-dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to racket-...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-dev/CAPaha9MMSSNLL-30%2B5bUzKgMb8qERN-%3DEOikEV%2B8ySoHcdzSeQ%40mail.gmail.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Racket Developers" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to racket-dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to racket-...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-dev/CAPaha9N17sf20SJS%2B3ugjXCYzdqZU_Wrzd8AtPasbg76jvNspw%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[racket-dev] should saving to a new location retrigger automatic compilation?
A student of mine just had a spurious automatic compilation error that occurred when he a) wrote a program in an unsaved buffer with a relative ‘require’. (automatic compilation shows error) b) saved it to a new location (no keystroke in buffer, so automatic compilation still shows error) c) raised his hand and told me about the problem. I told him to hit the space bar, and the problem went away. I conjecture, though, that it would be appropriate to trigger automatic compilation when a buffer is saved to a new location. Does this make sense? John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Racket Developers" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to racket-dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to racket-...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-dev/21A7CC76-54F9-48A5-8205-9310EDC02DA7%40brinckerhoff.org. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
