Re: [racket-dev] new logo
Hello, I'd like to contribute some food for thought to this great conversation. Parentheses are not a very memorable logo element. If they are used perhaps they should replace the background circle? Like (R) but smaller and more stylish. Another way to combine lambda and capital R: http://i.imgur.com/PuGTE.png While trying to refine that sketch I had the idea to extend the stem for a dynamic look, perhaps this would fit better in a circle: http://i.imgur.com/IywqK.png _ Racket Developers list: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev
Re: [racket-dev] new logo
On 02/12/2012 05:58 PM, Robby Findler wrote: On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Neil Toronto wrote: (Robby already said "no" to animations, but he has to do what you say, right? :p) For the record, I don't oppose animations. I said that privately in a series of messages to John and Neil to get the "r" logo (that John sent me _ages_ ago... sorry) going before the initial post in this thread. I was really hoping to save some kind of animation between the r& the lambda for an easter egg, but maybe that's not a good idea. Anyways, I like the discussion and alternatives we're seeing here. I'm one for shiny stuff, tho, so I'm hoping someone who can actually produce cool candy picks up one of the ideas and shows us something. Let me clarify, then. I haven't liked anything better than the lambda or "r" *so far*. Keep 'em coming, peeps. Neil ⊥ _ Racket Developers list: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev
Re: [racket-dev] new logo
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Neil Toronto wrote: > (Robby already said "no" to animations, but he has to do what you say, > right? :p) For the record, I don't oppose animations. I said that privately in a series of messages to John and Neil to get the "r" logo (that John sent me _ages_ ago... sorry) going before the initial post in this thread. I was really hoping to save some kind of animation between the r & the lambda for an easter egg, but maybe that's not a good idea. Anyways, I like the discussion and alternatives we're seeing here. I'm one for shiny stuff, tho, so I'm hoping someone who can actually produce cool candy picks up one of the ideas and shows us something. Robby _ Racket Developers list: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev
Re: [racket-dev] new logo
On 02/12/2012 01:04 PM, Eli Barzilay wrote: 20 minutes ago, Vincent St-Amour wrote: At Sun, 12 Feb 2012 11:01:44 -0800, John Clements wrote: I like this general idea. It seems to me that we're headed toward some kind of translucent ball with bands around it. If the sideways band is more visible through the ball, you get the "R" effect that people are seeing. This loses the parentheses, and doesn't really look like an "R" anymore. The "band" effect on my sketch was an accident, I was going for parentheses. +1, at least in that sketch. (The translucency seems like it would get in the way of making it back into an "R".) I had tried the plain parens first (just mirrored and flipped the one on the RHS), and got pretty much the same thing you posted. But the "lambda with arms" result wasn't looking well, and it certainly lost the "R"-ness of the one-paren version, hence the attempt at fading it. I also agree that that doesn't look good, I was hoping that someone would have an idea on how to make it work. Overall, I think that the single-paren version really works well, especially in terms of the simplicity feature (which can work in less capable mediums). Neil(T): Is there an easy way to dip it in plastic? (I want to play with it more and see how it would look in a less sketchy way.) Not an easy way, no. But the logo should stand on its own without any lighting effects. If we're collaboratively designing a logo, we should do it utterly flat. FWIW, I haven't liked any of the proposals as much as I like the original PLT lambda and the plain lowercase "r". Neil ⊥ _ Racket Developers list: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev
Re: [racket-dev] new logo
20 minutes ago, Vincent St-Amour wrote: > At Sun, 12 Feb 2012 11:01:44 -0800, > John Clements wrote: > > I like this general idea. It seems to me that we're headed toward > > some kind of translucent ball with bands around it. If the > > sideways band is more visible through the ball, you get the "R" > > effect that people are seeing. > > This loses the parentheses, and doesn't really look like an "R" > anymore. The "band" effect on my sketch was an accident, I was going > for parentheses. +1, at least in that sketch. (The translucency seems like it would get in the way of making it back into an "R".) I had tried the plain parens first (just mirrored and flipped the one on the RHS), and got pretty much the same thing you posted. But the "lambda with arms" result wasn't looking well, and it certainly lost the "R"-ness of the one-paren version, hence the attempt at fading it. I also agree that that doesn't look good, I was hoping that someone would have an idea on how to make it work. Overall, I think that the single-paren version really works well, especially in terms of the simplicity feature (which can work in less capable mediums). Neil(T): Is there an easy way to dip it in plastic? (I want to play with it more and see how it would look in a less sketchy way.) -- ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) Eli Barzilay: http://barzilay.org/ Maze is Life! _ Racket Developers list: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev
Re: [racket-dev] new logo
FWIW, I think it is hard to tell what John sees by just reading a paragraph. So, how about holding off on the naysaying until you see what he actually produces? Robby On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Vincent St-Amour wrote: > At Sun, 12 Feb 2012 11:01:44 -0800, > John Clements wrote: >> I like this general idea. It seems to me that we're headed toward >> some kind of translucent ball with bands around it. If the sideways >> band is more visible through the ball, you get the "R" effect that >> people are seeing. > > This loses the parentheses, and doesn't really look like an "R" > anymore. The "band" effect on my sketch was an accident, I was going > for parentheses. > > Vincent > _ > Racket Developers list: > http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev _ Racket Developers list: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev
Re: [racket-dev] new logo
At Sun, 12 Feb 2012 11:01:44 -0800, John Clements wrote: > I like this general idea. It seems to me that we're headed toward > some kind of translucent ball with bands around it. If the sideways > band is more visible through the ball, you get the "R" effect that > people are seeing. This loses the parentheses, and doesn't really look like an "R" anymore. The "band" effect on my sketch was an accident, I was going for parentheses. Vincent _ Racket Developers list: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev
Re: [racket-dev] new logo
+1 for cr.png or something very much like it. the unbalanced round bracket also bothers me, but cr3 no longer looks like an R, it looks like a lambda with arms. that just made me wonder: has a mascot been considered? github has those cute octocats. i get people asking me about the sticker on my laptop or nodding in approval. the high school kids i mentor fought over who would get the octocat stickers i brought in last week. imagine them fighting over who would get to put the racket mascot sticker on their laptops instead. On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 13:23, John Clements wrote: > > On Feb 12, 2012, at 9:37 AM, David Van Horn wrote: > > > On 2/11/12 3:04 PM, Asumu Takikawa wrote: > >> On 2012-02-11 13:23:46 -0500, Matthias Felleisen wrote: > >>> Have you guys considered a small change that makes the 'r' more > >>> lambda-ish? > >> > >> Maybe an 'r' in different scripts can be considered? For example, an R > >> rotunda: > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_rotunda > > > > FWIW, I like this quite a bit. I think if you put this on the new > background, you'd have a winner. > > Yes, that's a lovely shape. > > John > > > _ > Racket Developers list: > http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev > > _ Racket Developers list: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev
Re: [racket-dev] new logo
On Feb 12, 2012, at 9:37 AM, David Van Horn wrote: > On 2/11/12 3:04 PM, Asumu Takikawa wrote: >> On 2012-02-11 13:23:46 -0500, Matthias Felleisen wrote: >>> Have you guys considered a small change that makes the 'r' more >>> lambda-ish? >> >> Maybe an 'r' in different scripts can be considered? For example, an R >> rotunda: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_rotunda > > FWIW, I like this quite a bit. I think if you put this on the new > background, you'd have a winner. Yes, that's a lovely shape. John smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature _ Racket Developers list: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev
Re: [racket-dev] new logo
On 2/11/12 3:04 PM, Asumu Takikawa wrote: On 2012-02-11 13:23:46 -0500, Matthias Felleisen wrote: Have you guys considered a small change that makes the 'r' more lambda-ish? Maybe an 'r' in different scripts can be considered? For example, an R rotunda: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_rotunda FWIW, I like this quite a bit. I think if you put this on the new background, you'd have a winner. David _ Racket Developers list: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev
Re: [racket-dev] new logo
At Sun, 12 Feb 2012 01:50:33 -0500,
Eli Barzilay wrote:
> http://tmp.barzilay.org/cr.png
I like this one. I really like the idea of combining lambda with
parentheses. The unbalanced paren bothers me a bit though.
> The pun can even be taken further by adding a "(" on the left, smaller
> and fading out, so it looks like a curl on the top-left:
>
> http://tmp.barzilay.org/cr2.png
Adding an opening paren makes me more comfortable, but I don't like
the fading. Here's an attempt at making the parens look balanced:
http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/stamourv/cr3.png
Vincent
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Re: [racket-dev] new logo
On Feb 12, 2012, at 1:50 AM, Eli Barzilay wrote:
Here's a rough sketch that shows what I'm thinking of (using the shiny
bg):
http://tmp.barzilay.org/cr.png
I like this. I haven't looked at all the various drafts people have
come up with, but I would much rather not lose the lambda, and
haven't been impressed by the lower-case r. If we can fit in a
parenthesis that turns it into an R, that's fine too.
The pun can even be taken further by adding a "(" on the left, smaller
and fading out, so it looks like a curl on the top-left:
http://tmp.barzilay.org/cr2.png
Interesting idea. This one isn't there yet, but has promise.
Stephen Bloch
sbl...@adelphi.edu
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Re: [racket-dev] new logo
Eli Barzilay wrote at 02/12/2012 01:50 AM: An hour ago, Michael W wrote: http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5233/lambdarechopng.jpg http://tmp.barzilay.org/cr.png Yes! I think that "cr.png" has nailed the design. "lambdarechopng.jpg" especially got my attention before, but I thought it needed major aesthetic changes to fit Racket better. I think "cr.png" is a big step in the aesthetic fit direction. "cr.png" also has nice continuity of evolution from the current Racket logo and preceding PLT Scheme logos. "cr.png" is a bit geeky and slightly awkward -- moreso than the current Racket logo -- but it's supposed to represent a computer programming platform that grew out of Scheme, so a bit geeky is appropriate. And it has more character (no pun) than the current Racket logo. I could see "cr.png" as a rough draft of a good final version of the logo, with the design being pretty much complete, and needing only some experimenting&tweaking of subtleties of the rendering (in the graphic artistry sense). (I don't mean to discourage further ideas with this opinion; maybe someone has an even better refinement, or some different ideas.) -- http://www.neilvandyke.org/ _ Racket Developers list: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev
