Re: [racket-dev] Racket home page proposal [and 1 more messages]

2011-12-22 Thread Marijn
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21-12-11 18:57, Eli Barzilay wrote: Since I'm talking, I might as well mention my personal opinion on the strong points of racket (besides the (non-)obvious ones of having advanced macros, first-class continuations and all that kind of stuff)

Re: [racket-dev] Racket home page proposal

2011-12-21 Thread Marijn
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20-12-11 21:28, Eli Barzilay wrote: | platform for language design and implementation. That means almost nothing to most people. Even something like Racket is a Programmable Language works better... I don't think that there's a way to make

Re: [racket-dev] Racket home page proposal

2011-12-21 Thread Matthias Felleisen
I agree that we need to go beyond 'Racket is a programming language' as cute as it may be. I am surprised Eli objected to your proposed sentence, because it is a good, solid one-sentence description. Then again, I suspect all of us know that Racket is a chameleon and we are therefore

Re: [racket-dev] Racket home page proposal [and 1 more messages]

2011-12-21 Thread Eli Barzilay
9 hours ago, Marijn wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20-12-11 21:28, Eli Barzilay wrote: | platform for language design and implementation. That means almost nothing to most people. Even something like Racket is a Programmable Language works better... I don't

Re: [racket-dev] Racket home page proposal

2011-12-20 Thread Robby Findler
I like the idea, but I think our twitter feed and blog aren't updated enough. Robby On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Asumu Takikawa as...@ccs.neu.edu wrote: Hi all, Currently, the Racket home page is really nice, but it leaves a significant amount of vertical space unused that could be used

Re: [racket-dev] Racket home page proposal

2011-12-20 Thread Norman Gray
Greetings. On 2011 Dec 20, at 05:34, Asumu Takikawa wrote: Currently, the Racket home page is really nice, but it leaves a significant amount of vertical space unused that could be used to communicate information. ...or which could be used, as now, to project authority and decisiveness.

Re: [racket-dev] Racket home page proposal

2011-12-20 Thread Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
I like the idea too, but I think we should bring more content from other parts of the site to the front page. The Ruby home page [http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/] has most of our participate section on the front page, for example. The Clojure home page [http://clojure.org/] does a nice job with

Re: [racket-dev] Racket home page proposal

2011-12-20 Thread Matthias Felleisen
Asumu, thanks for the effort. I like the width of the Ruby and Clojure pages -- space on each side is good. I really like the highlighting of the sample code on the Ruby page. I prefer our organization of sample code, and I wish we could run some of these in Danny's compiler. I like the

Re: [racket-dev] Racket home page proposal

2011-12-20 Thread Tony Garnock-Jones
On 2011-12-20 4:07 AM, Robby Findler wrote: I like the idea, but I think our twitter feed and blog aren't updated enough. When we decided to put a twitter feed on the rabbitmq.com homepage, we went with simply including *any tweet mentioning rabbitmq*. This has its upside and its downside, of

Re: [racket-dev] Racket home page proposal

2011-12-20 Thread David Van Horn
On 12/20/11 8:02 AM, Tony Garnock-Jones wrote: On 2011-12-20 4:07 AM, Robby Findler wrote: I like the idea, but I think our twitter feed and blog aren't updated enough. When we decided to put a twitter feed on the rabbitmq.com homepage, we went with simply including *any tweet mentioning

Re: [racket-dev] Racket home page proposal

2011-12-20 Thread Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Matthias Felleisen matth...@ccs.neu.edu wrote: I do NOT like pages that have text below my laptop screen 'fold'. My eyes do glaze over. And I am off the page quickly. The important questions about this are: 1. Does it affect your attention to the

Re: [racket-dev] Racket home page proposal

2011-12-20 Thread Matthias Felleisen
On Dec 20, 2011, at 8:08 AM, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Matthias Felleisen matth...@ccs.neu.edu wrote: I do NOT like pages that have text below my laptop screen 'fold'. My eyes do glaze over. And I am off the page quickly. The important questions about

Re: [racket-dev] Racket home page proposal

2011-12-20 Thread Eli Barzilay
5 hours ago, Norman Gray wrote: Greetings. On 2011 Dec 20, at 05:34, Asumu Takikawa wrote: Currently, the Racket home page is really nice, but it leaves a significant amount of vertical space unused that could be used to communicate information. ...or which could be used, as now,

Re: [racket-dev] Racket home page proposal

2011-12-20 Thread John Clements
On Dec 20, 2011, at 8:08 AM, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Matthias Felleisen matth...@ccs.neu.edu wrote: I do NOT like pages that have text below my laptop screen 'fold'. My eyes do glaze over. And I am off the page quickly. The important questions about

Re: [racket-dev] Racket home page proposal

2011-12-20 Thread Asumu Takikawa
On 2011-12-20 08:02:15 -0500, Matthias Felleisen wrote: I do NOT like pages that have text below my laptop screen 'fold'. My eyes do glaze over. And I am off the page quickly. Taking some feedback into account, here's a second mockup: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/asumu/racket-home-3/ It leaves

Re: [racket-dev] Racket home page proposal

2011-12-20 Thread Eli Barzilay
30 minutes ago, Asumu Takikawa wrote: On 2011-12-20 08:02:15 -0500, Matthias Felleisen wrote: I do NOT like pages that have text below my laptop screen 'fold'. My eyes do glaze over. And I am off the page quickly. Taking some feedback into account, here's a second mockup:

Re: [racket-dev] Racket home page proposal

2011-12-20 Thread Matthew Flatt
At Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:11:35 -0500, Asumu Takikawa wrote: On 2011-12-20 08:02:15 -0500, Matthias Felleisen wrote: I do NOT like pages that have text below my laptop screen 'fold'. My eyes do glaze over. And I am off the page quickly. Taking some feedback into account, here's a second

Re: [racket-dev] Racket home page proposal

2011-12-20 Thread Neil Van Dyke
Eli Barzilay wrote at 12/20/2011 01:45 PM: and there no sane way to debug it other than viewing it in all browsers. Asumu, it seems like you're on a good track, but after you get the layout how you like it in your browser, I don't envy you the cross-browser testing to which Eli refers. :)

Re: [racket-dev] Racket home page proposal

2011-12-20 Thread Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Neil Van Dyke n...@neilvandyke.org wrote: Eli Barzilay wrote at 12/20/2011 01:45 PM: and there no sane way to debug it other than viewing it in all browsers. Asumu, it seems like you're on a good track, but after you get the layout how you like it in your

Re: [racket-dev] Racket home page proposal

2011-12-20 Thread Eli Barzilay
Just now, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Neil Van Dyke n...@neilvandyke.org wrote: Eli Barzilay wrote at 12/20/2011 01:45 PM: and there no sane way to debug it other than viewing it in all browsers. Asumu, it seems like you're on a good track, but after you

Re: [racket-dev] Racket home page proposal

2011-12-20 Thread Sam Tobin-Hochstadt
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Eli Barzilay e...@barzilay.org wrote: Just now, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Neil Van Dyke n...@neilvandyke.org wrote: Eli Barzilay wrote at 12/20/2011 01:45 PM: and there no sane way to debug it other than viewing it in all

Re: [racket-dev] Racket home page proposal

2011-12-20 Thread Neil Van Dyke
Matthias Felleisen wrote at 12/20/2011 08:02 AM: I wouldn't mind a second Racket site that has some of what Asumu proposes, say Racket-fans.org BTW, I recently registered racket-club.{org,com}, mainly for the humor potential. If there is a site that someone has been aching to see

Re: [racket-dev] Racket home page proposal

2011-12-20 Thread Vincent St-Amour
At Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:45:26 -0500, Eli Barzilay wrote: (c) I'd get rid of the why racket section -- I don't see anything there that doesn't induce yawnage, I disagree. This paragraph advertizes our high-quality libraries and IDE. Both of these are great selling points, and our current website

Re: [racket-dev] Racket home page proposal

2011-12-20 Thread Eli Barzilay
50 minutes ago, Vincent St-Amour wrote: At Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:45:26 -0500, Eli Barzilay wrote: (c) I'd get rid of the why racket section -- I don't see anything there that doesn't induce yawnage, I disagree. This paragraph advertizes our high-quality libraries and IDE. Both of these are

Re: [racket-dev] Racket home page proposal

2011-12-20 Thread Vincent St-Amour
At Tue, 20 Dec 2011 15:28:54 -0500, Eli Barzilay wrote: I'm not opposed to having *some* Why Racket? text, just to the particular text: I agree with most of your points about the specifics of the text. | Based on over 15 years of research and practical experience, *yawn* On the one hand,

[racket-dev] Racket home page proposal

2011-12-19 Thread Asumu Takikawa
Hi all, Currently, the Racket home page is really nice, but it leaves a significant amount of vertical space unused that could be used to communicate information. How would people feel about adding more content below the fold on the website? To be more concrete about this, here's a mockup I

Re: [racket-dev] Racket home page proposal

2011-12-19 Thread Jon Rafkind
+1 On 12/19/2011 10:34 PM, Asumu Takikawa wrote: Hi all, Currently, the Racket home page is really nice, but it leaves a significant amount of vertical space unused that could be used to communicate information. How would people feel about adding more content below the fold on the

Re: [racket-dev] Racket home page proposal

2011-12-19 Thread Neil Van Dyke
Asumu Takikawa wrote at 12/20/2011 12:34 AM: How would people feel about adding more content below the fold on the website? Seems OK to me, but two points: 1. Don't let the Twitter and such dominate the page visually. Things like Twitter are for bringing people in, not sending them away or