Re: [POLL] Struts Action Framework tagline

2006-01-11 Thread Wendy Smoak
On 1/11/06, Patrick Lightbody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just from my experience, I'd prefer if we didn't use the "2" > anywhere. We used "WebWork2" for a while and it really confused > things and broke up the brand. We've had much better success ever > since we actively eliminated "WebWork2" in

RE: [POLL] Struts Action Framework tagline

2006-01-11 Thread Pilgrim, Peter
> -Original Message- > From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==== > > > On 1/11/06, netsql <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And... why not Struts, which is what user list calls it, instead of > > correcting them. > > Because, very shortly, we will be adopting the WebWork code bas

Re: [POLL] Struts Action Framework tagline

2006-01-11 Thread Ted Husted
On 1/11/06, Martin Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Using "CoR", or some variant of it, in the name is a very bad idea, IMHO, > because that is a reflection of the *implementation* of the framework, not > the style of it. +1. We talked about "Core" for a while, but that was Core as in "kernal"

Re: [POLL] Struts Action Framework tagline

2006-01-11 Thread Martin Cooper
On 1/10/06, Wolfgang Gehner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > James, could you warm up to "Struts COR" or CORe? Like you, I feel that > "Action" focuses on some "old" mechanics part of Struts. COR as in > Chain-Of-Command, which IMHO brought Struts forward a lot (I already > wrote an article about it

Re: [POLL] Struts Action Framework tagline

2006-01-11 Thread Patrick Lightbody
Just from my experience, I'd prefer if we didn't use the "2" anywhere. We used "WebWork2" for a while and it really confused things and broke up the brand. We've had much better success ever since we actively eliminated "WebWork2" in favor of just "WebWork". Some day there may be a 2.1 and

Re: [POLL] Struts Action Framework tagline

2006-01-11 Thread Ted Husted
On 1/11/06, netsql <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And... why not Struts, which is what user list calls it, instead of > correcting them. Because, very shortly, we will be adopting the WebWork code base as Struts Action 2.x, and, at the same time marching toward a stable release of Struts Action 1.3.

Re: [POLL] Struts Action Framework tagline

2006-01-11 Thread Michael Jouravlev
On 1/11/06, netsql <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And... why not Struts, which is what user list calls it, instead of > correcting them. Right. Ford Motor Co. has the following brands: Mercury, Lincoln and... Ford (don't get started with Jaguar, Volvo or Mazda). --

Re: [POLL] Struts Action Framework tagline

2006-01-11 Thread netsql
And... why not Struts, which is what user list calls it, instead of correcting them. .V James Mitchell wrote: Developer #2 - "Oh, that's odd" Developer #3 - "Hey guys, is that the new 'Ti' thing?" Developer #1 and #2 (in unison) - "No!"

Re: [POLL] Struts Action Framework tagline

2006-01-11 Thread Rich Feit
Wendy Smoak wrote: On 1/10/06, Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In the interest of effective filtering, we should agree on a standard subject tag for the Struts Action framework. For the Struts Shale framework, we've been using [Shale]. So, for the other, should we use * [SAF 2.x] or

Re: [POLL] Struts Action Framework tagline

2006-01-10 Thread Wolfgang Gehner
James, could you warm up to "Struts COR" or CORe? Like you, I feel that "Action" focuses on some "old" mechanics part of Struts. COR as in Chain-Of-Command, which IMHO brought Struts forward a lot (I already wrote an article about it last Feb). I had brought up the name Struts CORe a while ag

Re: [POLL] Struts Action Framework tagline

2006-01-10 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 1/10/06, Don Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yeah, but that happens anyways, even between 1.2 and 1.3. I agree with > Michael it is unnecessary. The only argument I > see could be to distinguish between action and shale in which case > [action] is fine. But really, I don't think it > rea

Re: [POLL] Struts Action Framework tagline

2006-01-10 Thread Michael Jouravlev
On 1/10/06, Wendy Smoak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 1/10/06, Michael Jouravlev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I don't see a point to build fences between two versions of > > (presumably) the same framework. This will slow down the adoption of > > 2.0/WW/Ti . > > There has to be _some_ way to

Re: [POLL] Struts Action Framework tagline

2006-01-10 Thread Don Brown
Yeah, but that happens anyways, even between 1.2 and 1.3. I agree with Michael it is unnecessary. The only argument I see could be to distinguish between action and shale in which case [action] is fine. But really, I don't think it really matters. Don Wendy Smoak wrote: On 1/10/06, Michael

Re: [POLL] Struts Action Framework tagline

2006-01-10 Thread Wendy Smoak
On 1/10/06, Michael Jouravlev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't see a point to build fences between two versions of > (presumably) the same framework. This will slow down the adoption of > 2.0/WW/Ti . There has to be _some_ way to separate the questions, otherwise every answer is going to star

Re: [POLL] Struts Action Framework tagline

2006-01-10 Thread Martin Cooper
On 1/10/06, Wendy Smoak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 1/10/06, Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > In the interest of effective filtering, we should agree on a standard > > subject tag for the Struts Action framework. For the Struts Shale > > framework, we've been using [Shale]. So, for

Re: [POLL] Struts Action Framework tagline

2006-01-10 Thread Martin Cooper
On 1/10/06, Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 1/10/06, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey, credit where credit's due... Al *INVENTED* the Internet! ;) LOL > > > > (You had a mailreader in the BBS days?!? I remember lame little forums > in > > CNet over a 300 baud moden

Re: [POLL] Struts Action Framework tagline

2006-01-10 Thread Michael Jouravlev
On 1/10/06, Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In the interest of effective filtering, we should agree on a standard > subject tag for the Struts Action framework. For the Struts Shale > framework, we've been using [Shale]. So, for the other, should we use > > * [SAF 2.x] > > or > > * [Action

Re: [POLL] Struts Action Framework tagline

2006-01-10 Thread Gary VanMatre
> And, again, this is nothing new or special. Back in > the BBS days, before Al Gore ever heard of the Internet, all the > mailreaders had twit lists. :) > Now, that sounds like a new "you might be a geek" category :-) > -Ted. > > > > -- > HTH, Ted. > http://www.husted.com/poe/ > > --

Re: [POLL] Struts Action Framework tagline

2006-01-10 Thread Ted Husted
On 1/10/06, James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It just seems odd to me. I prefer using a new > name versus renaming something with the same name as one of it's > parts. Too little too late... I would have to agree that, much like Democracy, "Action is the worst choice of a name -- excep

Re: [POLL] Struts Action Framework tagline

2006-01-10 Thread Ted Husted
On 1/10/06, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey, credit where credit's due... Al *INVENTED* the Internet! ;) LOL > > (You had a mailreader in the BBS days?!? I remember lame little forums in > CNet over a 300 baud moden via CGTerm, and I was happy to have it!) Though, I wasn't glad

Re: [POLL] Struts Action Framework tagline

2006-01-10 Thread James Mitchell
I didn't realize we had a default. If [Action] is the default, then [Action 2.x] or [Action2] (thanks Wendy) makes perfect sense. I never did pipe up during the "what do we call it" discussions for "Ti", "Action", etc. I probably started a reply to 5 or 6 messages, then cancelled before s

Re: [POLL] Struts Action Framework tagline

2006-01-10 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
On Tue, January 10, 2006 9:18 am, Ted Husted said: > Back in > the BBS days, before Al Gore ever heard of the Internet > mailreaders had twit lists. :) Hey, credit where credit's due... Al *INVENTED* the Internet! ;) LOL (You had a mailreader in the BBS days?!? I remember lame little forums in C

Re: [POLL] Struts Action Framework tagline

2006-01-10 Thread Wendy Smoak
On 1/10/06, Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In the interest of effective filtering, we should agree on a standard > subject tag for the Struts Action framework. For the Struts Shale > framework, we've been using [Shale]. So, for the other, should we use > > * [SAF 2.x] > or > * [Action 2.x

RE: [POLL] Struts Action Framework tagline

2006-01-10 Thread George.Dinwiddie
Ted Husted asked > > In the interest of effective filtering, we should agree on a > standard subject tag for the Struts Action framework. For the > Struts Shale framework, we've been using [Shale]. So, for the > other, should we use > > * [SAF 2.x] > > or > > * [Action 2.x] I'd say [Action

Re: [POLL] Struts Action Framework tagline

2006-01-10 Thread Ted Husted
Right now, [Action] is still the default, so we don't need a tag for that. But we do need to look forward to [Action 2.x], and now is as good a time as any. There are always people are are not interested in the next major release of anything, at least until it stabalizes. We're forever putting tag

Re: [POLL] Struts Action Framework tagline

2006-01-10 Thread James Mitchell
I'm not sure this is a good idea. By agreeing on one or the other (or one that hasn't even been mentioned yet), are we not setting ourselves up for future troll attacks? Based on history, there is a high probability that dormant trolls will come out of the woodwork with little more to say

Re: [POLL] Struts Action Framework tagline

2006-01-10 Thread Riyaz Mansoor
hi guys. back! :) just [Action] ? riyaz * [SAF 2.x] or * [Action 2.x] -Ted. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[POLL] Struts Action Framework tagline

2006-01-10 Thread Ted Husted
On 1/9/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Struts Action Framework. > > I figured that out. > > > Is that what Struts is now being called? > > > > > > That is what the original framework growing out of Struts 1.x > > code is now being called ... see the Struts website home page >