Re: API Doc Title

2006-07-05 Thread Paul Benedict
>>Everything we do is public. There aren't any secret internal use labels. Ted, then you are obviously not in on the secret. :) Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 7/5/06, Michael Jouravlev wrote: > The disagreement and confusion is having and publicly using "1" and > "2" labels. Do we use

Re: API Doc Title

2006-07-05 Thread Paul Benedict
I do not think "Struts" connotates 1.x, or 2.x, or the current production release, or whatever. It's just a title for our line of products. If you need to talk about a version, just say so. I am content and agree with James. James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I respectfully disagree. I t

Re: API Doc Title

2006-07-05 Thread Wendy Smoak
On 7/5/06, Michael Jouravlev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The disagreement and confusion is having and publicly using "1" and "2" labels. Do we use them internally? Do we use them publicly? What do these labels mean? Do they identify generations like Java and Java2 or Win9x and WinNT, or do they i

Re: API Doc Title

2006-07-05 Thread Ted Husted
On 7/5/06, Michael Jouravlev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The disagreement and confusion is having and publicly using "1" and "2" labels. Do we use them internally? Do we use them publicly? Everything we do is public. There aren't any secret internal-use labels. What do these labels mean? Do t

Re: API Doc Title

2006-07-05 Thread Michael Jouravlev
On 7/5/06, Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 7/5/06, James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your thoughts? I think we are dangerously closed to discussion what "is" is :) So, lets have that discussion and get it over with. Other people are going to refer to Struts the same way w

Re: API Doc Title

2006-07-05 Thread Hubert Rabago
On 7/5/06, James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Believe me, I'm not trying to discount the 1.x development. I have stated as much on several threads. Also, I have many 1.x apps to support, and I think my recent work on getting the 1.2.x and 1.3.x nightlies back online proves my commitment

Re: API Doc Title

2006-07-05 Thread Ted Husted
On 7/5/06, James Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Your thoughts? I think we are dangerously closed to discussion what "is" is :) So, lets have that discussion and get it over with. First, in practice, the committers uniformly cite what version we are talking about. I don't think we have a

Re: API Doc Title

2006-07-05 Thread James Mitchell
I respectfully disagree. I think having to clarify "Struts" as "1" or "2" is just as bad as having to say "Struts Action 1" vs. "Struts Action 2" vs. "Shale". Believe me, I'm not trying to discount the 1.x development. I have stated as much on several threads. Also, I have many 1.x apps

Re: API Doc Title

2006-07-05 Thread Hubert Rabago
That assumes all the development and support effort go towards one framework, Struts 2. If we're still actively supporting and developing the Struts 1.x line, then references to "Struts" should include a qualification of which Struts framework is meant. Hubert On 7/5/06, James Mitchell <[EMAIL

Re: API Doc Title

2006-07-05 Thread James Mitchell
IMHO "Struts" means the latest/current developmentin other words...SAF2, struts2, 2.x, I think we should just say "Struts", but clarify only if we mean an older version. I mean, we do that now with everything else. If someone has a question about Struts, and it happens to pertain to

Re: API Doc Title

2006-07-05 Thread Ted Husted
On 7/5/06, Michael Jouravlev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So in your terms Struts 2 == SAF2. This does not tell me much ;-) Is it strictly WW2.x or anything starting from WW2.x codebase onwards? I guess the latter considering that "Struts 2 is represented by the repository head". Yes, I think the

Re: API Doc Title

2006-07-05 Thread Michael Jouravlev
So in your terms Struts 2 == SAF2. This does not tell me much ;-) Is it strictly WW2.x or anything starting from WW2.x codebase onwards? I guess the latter considering that "Struts 2 is represented by the repository head". See, your definition is not clear enough for an end user while being too t

Re: API Doc Title

2006-07-05 Thread Ted Husted
On 7/5/06, Michael Jouravlev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Having a system is usually a good thing. Perhaps it would help to define these terms, which I think many people use naturally. Struts 2 - The product represented by the repository head. Struts 2.x - The product that the repository head i

Re: API Doc Title

2006-07-05 Thread Michael Jouravlev
I think that there should be ONE strict naming system that every commiter has to obey whether writing a high-profile article or an informan email. Such a system will indeed serve as a tool to help clarify versions. After all, when I say for example "Struts 2" I do not want to explain later have I

Re: API Doc Title

2006-07-05 Thread Don Brown
I think you are over-thinking this one. Struts is a single product with multiple versions. Since both are still developed, at times, it is helpful to refer to Struts 2.0 as Struts 2 and Struts 1.x as Struts 1, but these names are really optional and a tool to help clarify versions. In the end

Re: API Doc Title

2006-07-05 Thread Michael Jouravlev
I hate to bring this question back, but do we have a final decision on how 1.x and 2.x codebases are treated name-wise and what is the official way to refer to a product/version? Because seems that Don, for example, have a different idea on naming: "I think it is as simple as Struts 1.3, Struts

Re: API Doc Title

2006-07-02 Thread Paul Benedict
Okay. I guess it doesn't matter, as long as we don't see the title "Struts 2" with another version besides 2.x :-) Niall Pemberton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It might appear redundant but "Struts 1" is the name rather than version number and hopefully what people will get used to distinguish bet

Re: API Doc Title

2006-07-02 Thread Niall Pemberton
It might appear redundant but "Struts 1" is the name rather than version number and hopefully what people will get used to distinguish between the two flavours on offer. Its no different than what Sun did when they introduced Java 2 and who knows where out version numbers are going to go in the tw

Re: API Doc Title

2006-07-02 Thread Paul Benedict
Wendy, thanks. I understand the proposal. Version 1 is already in 1.3.5; so it doesn't need to be said everytime; the version number is enough to indicate its version 1. Wendy Smoak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 7/2/06, Paul Benedict wrote: > Does anyone else find this kind of title redudant

Re: API Doc Title

2006-07-02 Thread Wendy Smoak
On 7/2/06, Paul Benedict <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Does anyone else find this kind of title redudant? Struts 1 - Core 1.3.5-SNAPSHOT API We can specify it in the pom. I recommend: Struts Core 1.3.5-SNAPSHOT API This change results from Don's proposal thread [1] about renaming Struts Action ->