Re: S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-28 Thread Jeromy Evans
Ralf Fischer wrote: Well there is a thing like that where you can publish information to google or other search engines in one single file. You have to serve a file with a name like http://foo.com/site.xml.gz [1] which holds a description of your whole site. Sure it's no API, but it gets pret

Re: S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-26 Thread Jeromy Evans
Musachy Barroso wrote: What are the plans for the future of the REST plugin? Has anybody tried to make it more JSR-311 like? I am not a REST user myself, but I am kind of bored and could help if there was a clear understanding of what needs to be done. I haven't touched the REST plugin for a

Re: Re: S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-26 Thread Musachy Barroso
That is pretty much what I had in mind, the only thing is that I would suggest to look at the convention plugin instead, as that is what we will be using, some day. The convention plugin is in then sandbox, drop an email here if you need help finding your way around in the code. musachy On Tue, A

Re: Re: S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-26 Thread Jordi Fernandez
Hi Musachy, I've been using struts 2 with the REST plugin in several projects and it's been great. It's really nice (thanks for the job, Don!). I'd like to make the REST plugin more JSR-311 like, too. I've been studying the struts2 source code for some days, focusing on the REST and the Codebehin

Re: S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-25 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Adam Hardy wrote: Frank, do you not use the back button? I reckon I use it from around 5 to 50 times a day. Of course I do... Although I can't say how often because that would imply how much surfing the web I'm doing as opposed to actually working and my boss just *might* read this list som

Re: S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-25 Thread Adam Hardy
Frank W. Zammetti on 25/08/08 05:36, wrote: Don Brown wrote: This is a nice design, when you can do it. GWT is also a good way to build these types of apps. Unfortunately, they can easily break much of what makes the web what it is - the back button, unique, addressable URI's, accessibility, se

Re: S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-25 Thread Musachy Barroso
What are the plans for the future of the REST plugin? Has anybody tried to make it more JSR-311 like? I am not a REST user myself, but I am kind of bored and could help if there was a clear understanding of what needs to be done. musachy On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:30 AM, Jeromy Evans <[EMAIL PROT

Re: S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-25 Thread Ralf Fischer
Hi, Am 25.08.2008 um 06:30 schrieb Jeromy Evans: Don Brown wrote: On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Martin Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Another option is a client-side component-based framework like Ext or Flex running directly against web services, RESTful or otherwise. No server-

Re: S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-24 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Don Brown wrote: > This is a nice design, when you can do it. GWT is also a good way to > build these types of apps. Unfortunately, they can easily break much > of what makes the web what it is - the back button, unique, > addressable URI's, accessibility, search engine crawling, etc. > It's al

Re: S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-24 Thread Jeromy Evans
Don Brown wrote: On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Martin Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Another option is a client-side component-based framework like Ext or Flex running directly against web services, RESTful or otherwise. No server-side web framework required. Of course, you could use s

Re: S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-24 Thread Don Brown
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Martin Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Another option is a client-side component-based framework like Ext or Flex > running directly against web services, RESTful or otherwise. No server-side > web framework required. Of course, you could use something server-s

Re: S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-24 Thread Frans Thamura
> Another option is a client-side component-based framework like Ext or Flex > running directly against web services, RESTful or otherwise. No server-side > web framework required. Of course, you could use something server-side like > DWR to facilitate working with web services, or Jersey for RESTf

Re: S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-24 Thread Martin Cooper
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Don Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Personally, I don't think Struts 2 has a strong enough API, ok, I > _know_ Struts 2 doesn't have a strong enough API to be turned into a > JSR, currently anyway. Bob did some work trying to define such an > API, and is probab

Re: S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-23 Thread Frans Thamura
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 9:04 PM, Ian Roughley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've also been thinking along these lines, starting about a year back when > there was discussions around the convention plug-in. Although it was > motivated more on a clean annotation implementation - as there seemed to be

Re: S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-23 Thread Ian Roughley
I've also been thinking along these lines, starting about a year back when there was discussions around the convention plug-in. Although it was motivated more on a clean annotation implementation - as there seemed to be a good synergy between the JSR-311 annotations and what s2 could leverage (

Re: S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-22 Thread Don Brown
Personally, I don't think Struts 2 has a strong enough API, ok, I _know_ Struts 2 doesn't have a strong enough API to be turned into a JSR, currently anyway. Bob did some work trying to define such an API, and is probably 80% of the way there, but I wonder if the technology has moved on a bit sinc

Re: S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-22 Thread Musachy Barroso
> The other point to remember is that this is an all-volunteer open source > project. To my knowledge, none of the Struts committers is paid to work on > the development of Struts. Who, exactly, do you imagine would be spending > their volunteer time sitting on a JCP committee trying to push S2 thr

Re: S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-22 Thread Paul Benedict
I am -1 on having Struts 2 be a JSR. Anything that gets pulled into JEE gets pulled into molasses and I wouldn't want Sun to stick their hands into this framework. With that said, I wouldn't mind a JSR that creates an JEE Action Framework that Struts 2 is an implementation of. Remember the great su

Re: S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-22 Thread Frans Thamura
> Struts was, and probably still is, by far the most popular and widely > deployed web framework on the planet, all without the help of the JCP. There > are numerous companies that provide commercial support for Struts solely > because of that. Some of the companies you list above have invested a l

Re: adoption of s2 (was S2 as JSR for Action Framework)

2008-08-22 Thread Jeromy Evans
Just an interesting note: According to the Google keyword tool in English speaking countries and territories: - the number of searches containing the phrase "struts" (-cars) has been flat the last 12 months (approx 1,000,000 per month). I wish I could compare that to previous years. - this is

Re: S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-22 Thread Martin Cooper
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Frans Thamura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Anything's possible. ;-) But why would you do that? Sure, it might result > in > > S2 eventually becoming part of Java EE, but Struts has been pretty > > successful over the last 8 years or so without that, as have o

Re: S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-22 Thread Frans Thamura
> > Anything's possible. ;-) But why would you do that? Sure, it might result in > S2 eventually becoming part of Java EE, but Struts has been pretty > successful over the last 8 years or so without that, as have other > frameworks like Spring and Hibernate. By turning S2 into a JSR, you then end >

Re: S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-22 Thread Frans Thamura
my experience here, i am the company that selling struts2 in this country and we see that JSF have several complain in several case esp the high performance and we see that people try to say JavaEE as the standard, and we must strict with all JCP related, like JSF, and if we can make S2 as the a

Re: S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-22 Thread Matt Raible
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Gabriel Belingueres <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The scenario where S2 would become a JCP approved JSR is pretty much scary > IMO: > > 1) It means it exists a Reference Implementation of S2, or that S2 is > build upon a RI of something else. > 2) Any vendor can co

Re: S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-22 Thread Gabriel Belingueres
The scenario where S2 would become a JCP approved JSR is pretty much scary IMO: 1) It means it exists a Reference Implementation of S2, or that S2 is build upon a RI of something else. 2) Any vendor can come up with their own flavors and extensions of the JSR, which brings more FUD than solutions.

Re: S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-22 Thread Wendy Smoak
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 11:31 PM, Frans Thamura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > is it possible that S2 become part of JCP? > java server action framework > right now only component framework there > any idea? While I cringe every time I hear someone say that they chose JSF because "It's the standard

Re: S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-22 Thread Martin Cooper
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 11:31 PM, Frans Thamura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi all > > is it possible that S2 become part of JCP? Anything's possible. ;-) But why would you do that? Sure, it might result in S2 eventually becoming part of Java EE, but Struts has been pretty successful over the l

Re: S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-22 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Ian Roughley wrote: > Maybe no-one wants to admit it publicly :-) Well, if that were true, it'd be a bigger problem than simply slow adoption rates :) -- Frank W. Zammetti Author of "Practical Dojo Projects" abd "Practical DWR 2 Projects" and "Practical JavaScript, DOM Scripting and Ajax Pro

Re: S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-22 Thread Ian Roughley
Not that it's a particularly good metric, but I always thought the adoption rates were very slow. However, I'm always surprised how many companies are using s2 when I speak to people at conferences. Maybe no-one wants to admit it publicly :-) /Ian James Mitchell wrote: That's a hard quest

Re: S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-22 Thread James Mitchell
That's a hard question to answer. It's probably like politics. You'll get completely different answers depending on who you ask. On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Musachy Barroso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's a good point, and I do have a question myself, how are we doing > adoption-wise? J

Re: S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-22 Thread Musachy Barroso
That's a good point, and I do have a question myself, how are we doing adoption-wise? Judging from the users mailing list traffic, I would say well. In any case, just better of talking about this on the user list rather than here. musachy On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 10:52 AM, James Mitchell <[EMAIL P

Re: S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-22 Thread James Mitchell
Let the marketplace decide. Just my $0.02 On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 2:31 AM, Frans Thamura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi all > > is it possible that S2 become part of JCP? > > java server action framework > > right now only component framework there > > any idea? > > > > -- > -- > Frans Thamura >

S2 as JSR for Action Framework

2008-08-21 Thread Frans Thamura
hi all is it possible that S2 become part of JCP? java server action framework right now only component framework there any idea? -- -- Frans Thamura Meruvian Foundation Mobile: +62 855 7888 699 Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/fthamura Training JENI, Medallion (Alfresco, Liferay dan