* Patrick Haller 201009-suckl...@haller.ws [2013-04-11 04:30]:
On 2013-04-10 13:13, William Giokas wrote:
There are extremely strong technical arguments for using systemd as a
simple, easy to use and easy to configure initialization system.
systemd trades simplicity for boot-speed and stack
2013/4/11 Patrick Haller 201009-suckl...@haller.ws
Anyway, pancake's contributing to voidlinux so I'll try void. Any other
good rolling release distros?
Didn't know it. I'll give it a try. Thank you.
--
H.Moretto
This patch makes behaviour consistent with xterm and comments.
diff --git a/st.c b/st.c
index 93058b9..90c102e 100644
--- a/st.c
+++ b/st.c
@@ -790,7 +790,7 @@ selcopy(void) {
}
/* \n at the end of every selected line except for the
last one */
I know what you're probably thinking.
A) That's stupid
B) Therefore OP must be stupid.
But wait for just one second!
The state of the command prompt on windows is a mess. There are several
massive, tangled, bug-ridden, and crufty subsystems which must interact in
multiple ways in order to make
What are you writing C++ code if you could use Xming or even cygwin to
just compile the actual st on windows?
On 04/11/13 17:13, Max DeLiso wrote:
On Apr 11, 2013 11:05 AM, Martti Kühne mysat...@gmail.com
mailto:mysat...@gmail.com wrote:
What are you writing C++ code if you could use Xming or even cygwin to
just compile the actual st on windows?
Well it does add an extra layer of abstraction
this is a funny patch. it must have been about 1 to 2 months ago that
there was another discussion about pasting to other apps and thats
when that carrige return appeared. and now there is a patch to revert
that back...lol this is great, i look forward to another patch that
takes it back to \r
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Max DeLiso maxdel...@gmail.com wrote:
Well it does add an extra layer of abstraction which could be a source of
bugs. Also that would make contributing significantly more difficult for the
Windows people.
People use windows because they don't know any better.
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Carlos Torres vlaadbr...@gmail.com wrote:
this is a funny patch. it must have been about 1 to 2 months ago that
there was another discussion about pasting to other apps and thats
when that carrige return appeared. and now there is a patch to revert
that
You might me interested in ConEmu
http://code.google.com/p/conemu-maximus5/
On 04/11/13 17:23, Martti Kühne wrote:
Never did that. Thanks for the heads-up, although I was already under
the impression that on windows nothing at all can be debugged,
because, well, where's the fucking source to anything?
who needs the source to debug anything?
On Apr 11, 2013 11:23 AM, Martti Kühne mysat...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Max DeLiso maxdel...@gmail.com wrote:
Well it does add an extra layer of abstraction which could be a source
of
bugs. Also that would make contributing significantly more difficult
for the
Anyway, pancake's contributing to voidlinux so I'll try void. Any other
good rolling release distros?
From the voidlinux page:
Speed, reliability, and flexibility. That's the battle-cry of today's
disgruntled computer geeks. This is what people want with a Linux
distribution, and this is what
Greetings.
On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:48:11 +0200 Max DeLiso maxdel...@gmail.com wrote:
I know what you're probably thinking.
A) That's stupid
Windows is the reason why we lack behind in software development by more
than 20 years. Software is unusable, proprietary and programmers are
taught
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 05:25:46PM +0200, Martti Kühne wrote:
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Carlos Torres vlaadbr...@gmail.com wrote:
this is a funny patch. it must have been about 1 to 2 months ago that
there was another discussion about pasting to other apps and thats
when that
On Apr 11, 2013 11:54 AM, Christoph Lohmann 2...@r-36.net wrote:
Greetings.
On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:48:11 +0200 Max DeLiso maxdel...@gmail.com wrote:
I know what you're probably thinking.
A) That's stupid
Windows is the reason why we lack behind in software development by more
than 20
Kill yourself.
On Apr 11, 2013 12:42 PM, Max DeLiso maxdel...@gmail.com wrote:
On Apr 11, 2013 11:54 AM, Christoph Lohmann 2...@r-36.net wrote:
Greetings.
On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:48:11 +0200 Max DeLiso maxdel...@gmail.com
wrote:
I know what you're probably thinking.
A) That's
The web is the future of computing, that much is evident.
The web is not even the present of computing. Most humans
access the Internet using custom clients (apps) on mobile
devices.
-sl
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:45:48PM -0400, Jacob Todd wrote:
Kill yourself.
Please can we try not to be needlessly dramatic and unpleasant here?
The tone of this list gets quite hard to handle sometimes, and seems
to have been going more in this direction lately.
I know the prevailing sentiment
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:46 PM, s...@9front.org wrote:
The web is the future of computing, that much is evident.
The web is not even the present of computing. Most humans
access the Internet using custom clients (apps) on mobile
devices.
Really depends how you define web doesn't it? If by
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Nick suckless-...@njw.me.uk wrote:
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:45:48PM -0400, Jacob Todd wrote:
Kill yourself.
Please can we try not to be needlessly dramatic and unpleasant here?
seconding this! It's juvenile and counterproductive.
Really depends how you define
Kill yourself.
-sl
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 05:00:00PM +0100, Nick wrote:
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 05:25:46PM +0200, Martti Kühne wrote:
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Carlos Torres vlaadbr...@gmail.com wrote:
this is a funny patch. it must have been about 1 to 2 months ago that
there was another
Greetings.
On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:22:22 +0200 Nick suckless-...@njw.me.uk wrote:
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:45:48PM -0400, Jacob Todd wrote:
The tone of this list gets quite hard to handle sometimes, and seems
to have been going more in this direction lately.
No, that’s due to the people
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Max DeLiso maxdel...@gmail.com wrote:
A) That's stupid
B) Therefore OP must be stupid.
I don't think you're stupid, because the few times I've had to use
cmd.exe, I've thought about this myself. But I do think it's a waste of
time. How much do you use the
On 04/11/2013 09:41, Max DeLiso wrote:
If windows was totally unusable would it have succeeded in the way that it
has? Windows is certainly not ideal in any sense but you can't deny its
ongoing success commercially.
Windows (and before it, DOS) was never an example of well-designed
software.
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Joseph Xu joseph...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Max DeLiso maxdel...@gmail.com wrote:
A) That's stupid
B) Therefore OP must be stupid.
I don't think you're stupid, because the few times I've had to use
cmd.exe, I've thought about this
On 04/11/13 19:24, Joseph Xu wrote:
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Max DeLiso maxdel...@gmail.com wrote:
A) That's stupid
B) Therefore OP must be stupid.
I don't think you're stupid, because the few times I've had to use
cmd.exe, I've thought about this myself. But I do think it's a waste
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013, at 10:59, Max DeLiso wrote:
My aim is to create a minimalist terminal emulator for windows. I want
a project whose relationship to the cmd/conhost/csrss triad is
analogous to the relationship between st and xterm/x. I'm going to try
and lift out of st all of the platform
tinycore and crux come without systemd
Hi,
* Patrick 201009-suckl...@haller.ws [2013-04-08 12:25]:
Attached is a patch to add IPv6 support to ii, based on where it was as
of 7a99152ce64d7006730006094b333edbecbe505a
Enjoy, scream, whatever...
hmm?
http://tools.suckless.org/ii/patches/ii-1.7-ssl.diff
Cheers
Nico
Shouldnt be hard to make a void base-system-minit package. In fact it was using
sysvinit before. There are also musl, static and crosscompilation profiles. Its
just a matter of hands and time :P systemd was chosed at first because it was
replacing about 15 packages and this made the pkg
Max DeLiso dixit:
If windows was totally unusable would it have succeeded in the way that it
Windows® does not have succeeded.
Until and including version 7, it’s brought new people, who IMHO
do not belong in front of a computer except with nōn-root rights
and having hired, say, a student as
On 11/04/2013, Max DeLiso maxdel...@gmail.com wrote:
I completely agree that Windows is a legacy OS, but plenty of people are
still forced to use it for many legitimate reasons.
Forced? How? At knifepoint?
On Apr 11, 2013 5:04 PM, Strake strake...@gmail.com wrote:
On 11/04/2013, Max DeLiso maxdel...@gmail.com wrote:
I completely agree that Windows is a legacy OS, but plenty of people are
still forced to use it for many legitimate reasons.
Forced? How? At knifepoint?
Lock-in. Be it device
2013/4/11 Strake strake...@gmail.com
On 11/04/2013, Max DeLiso maxdel...@gmail.com wrote:
I completely agree that Windows is a legacy OS, but plenty of people are
still forced to use it for many legitimate reasons.
Forced? How? At knifepoint?
Because of my work. I'm using PL7Pro which
Maybe pasting to st should be fixed too, so when newlines are pasted,
they are translated to ^M. But '\n' should be copied, otherwise pasting
to graphical programs is broken.
That's how urxvt does it and this is what my patch originally done
(sort of, translation was in ttywrite while in
Oh, look, how nice, religious wars at dev@suckless, and my favourite
argument about Windows being crappy operating system with absolutely
no justification. Religious people never justify their views, I guess.
About the lock-in: drivers may be the case, but applications can not
be lock-in. If
Please can we try not to be needlessly dramatic and unpleasant here?
The tone of this list gets quite hard to handle sometimes, and seems
to have been going more in this direction lately.
I know the prevailing sentiment here is that people should be
treated with the respect their comments
On 2013-04-11 20:53, Nico Golde wrote:
http://tools.suckless.org/ii/patches/ii-ipv6.diff
Aw fsck. Can we put the patches in the git repo? Either as plain files
in patches/, or create a branch based on the commit they diff'd at?
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Patrick Haller
201009-suckl...@haller.ws wrote:
On 2013-04-11 20:53, Nico Golde wrote:
http://tools.suckless.org/ii/patches/ii-ipv6.diff
Aw fsck. Can we put the patches in the git repo? Either as plain files
in patches/, or create a branch based on the commit
On 2013-04-11 21:17, Carlos Torres wrote:
it was there just a little hidden
http://git.suckless.org/sites/tree/tools.suckless.org/ii/patches/ii-ipv6.diff
i mean in the ii repo - http://git.suckless.org/ii
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 09:25:25AM +0800, Patrick Haller wrote:
On 2013-04-11 21:17, Carlos Torres wrote:
it was there just a little hidden
http://git.suckless.org/sites/tree/tools.suckless.org/ii/patches/ii-ipv6.diff
i mean in the ii repo - http://git.suckless.org/ii
I agree...I think
I'm pretty sure angry people shouting at each other are always in the
minority.
Hey, look, webcomics agree!
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comicsid=2939
-Nimi
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:59:46AM -0400, Max DeLiso wrote:
A) That's stupid
Misguided instead? Very few people who would appreciate a simple
terminal are likely to be using Windows. (I'm one of them.) I doubt
you'll get many competent coders to contribute. (I'm not one of
them.) And it's such a
People use windows because they don't know any better.
If most people are using it, there start to be reasons other than
ignorance. For instance, in legal discovery, we don't have the privilege
of telling the judge: Sorry, this evidence was generated by people
using lousy software on a lousy
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 05:00:00PM +0100, Nick wrote:
Best to figure out what is more correct, do that, and patch any
applications that do things the wrong way.
I guess other terminals manage this okay, in spite of their faults,
why not check to see what they are doing?
One of the main suckless devs Uriel did commit suicide not long ago.
Perhaps people here could refrain from saying kill yourself,
out of respect to him. Or did he talk that way also?
Did the same people spit the dummy, when dwm was ported to Windoze?
There are already tolerable terminals for
I'd say this qualifies for a move to config.h.
I might be back later with a patch for that.
Umm, no. If you want to use st with x, y, z programs, set this to
\r, if you want to use a, b, c programs, set \n is a terrible idea.
Best to figure out what is more correct, do that, and patch any
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