Re: [dev] "Note On Webkit Versions"

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 10:25:48PM +0200, Kamil Cholewiński wrote: > > I don't mean to run GMail, but just basic web browsing: render text, > follow links, show images, terminal or X. > > K. I discovered retawq [1] lately, a terminal web browser. It does not have an as low number of lines as

Re: [dev] "Note On Webkit Versions"

On Mon, 02 May 2016, Leo Gaspard wrote: > To get closer to the original topic, I think rust is among the best > choices for a webkit replacement. A webkit replacement *will* be huge, > bloated and sucky. It's pretty sad, but most of us need a way to access > sucky websites that

Re: [dev] "Note On Webkit Versions"

On 04/30/2016 03:04 PM, ra...@openmailbox.org wrote: > On 2016-04-30 11:47, Kajetan Jasztal wrote: >> how about servo[1]? aims for memory security and fast parallel rendering >> >> [1] https://servo.org/ > > There is a lot of hype about rust being 'memory safe' but where is the > proof? AFAICT,

Re: [dev] "Note On Webkit Versions"

WOW. The compile took 7 mins but there was only 1 (ONE) warning and NO errors after i installed libXmu-devel on my server. The bad news: it doesnt run on an X11 tunnel On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Aditya Goturu wrote: > Argh. Compile failed. But i found out some more

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Argh. Compile failed. But i found out some more interesting things. The BUILD SYSTEM depends on python and DBUS. Also, when the compile finished, it popped up a GUI notification (!), on the machine on which i ssh -Yed into the build server... On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Aditya Goturu

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Cargo pulling in libs for servo on a system with just rustc installed: Updating registry `https://github.com/rust-lang/crates.io-index` Updating git repository `https://github.com/servo/rust-layers` Updating git repository `https://github.com/servo/webrender` Updating git

Re: [dev] "Note On Webkit Versions"

On Sun, May 01, 2016 at 01:23:54PM +0200, Sanel Zukan wrote: > Mitt Green writes: > >> but find me portable and usable C UI toolkit > >> without tons of dependencies > > ‎ > > Tcl/Tk > > Hell yeah +1 Tk x11 widget toolkit needs Tcl scripting language... Not a lean set of

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On Mon, May 02, 2016 at 12:14:20AM +0200, FRIGN wrote: > C is definitely not suckless either, especially when it comes > to UB, but it's probably the language with least suck and > highest simplicity while giving the most power to the developer. +1 :) -- Sylvain

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On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 10:24:31AM +1100, Sylvain BERTRAND wrote: > Additionnaly, the "modern" www tends to force the user to have a script-able > www browser, even though many www sites could provide their services with a > noscript www browser through a cleverly crafted main www portal or a

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On Sun, May 01, 2016 at 05:20:08PM +0200, Sanel Zukan wrote: > Sylvain BERTRAND writes: > >> pthreads are bad? Really? > > > > c++ is _really_ bad, indeed. > > I think I mentioned pthreads, not c++ :) Anyway, c++ is still _really_ bad and light years away from

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On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 18:54:39 +0200 Kamil Cholewiński wrote: Hey Kamil, > You don't need a proof, you only need a significant improvement upon C, > which Rust delivers. the big drawback of Rust in my opinion is lack of readability. There are too many things to do one thing

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Sylvain BERTRAND writes: >> pthreads are bad? Really? > > c++ is _really_ bad, indeed. I think I mentioned pthreads, not c++ :) >> dependencies (gtk, I look at you). > > https://github.com/sylware/misc/blob/master/gtk-utox/gtk-utox.sh This probably works for you

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Sanel Zukan writes: > > - FLTK is 100k sloc C++; includes support for Cairo, GL, kitchen sinks > > All these things can be disabled at compile time. Maybe you are not fond > of C++, but find me portable and usable C UI toolkit without tons of > dependencies (gtk, I look at you). libagar? --

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On Sun, May 01, 2016 at 11:58:36AM +0200, Sanel Zukan wrote: > Kamil Cholewiński writes: > > Bad stuff: > > > > - C++, autohell, pthreads > > pthreads are bad? Really? c++ is _really_ bad, indeed. > dependencies (gtk, I look at you).

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> but find me portable and usable C UI toolkit > without tons of dependencies ‎ Tcl/Tk

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Kamil Cholewiński writes: > Bad stuff: > > - C++, autohell, pthreads pthreads are bad? Really? > - FLTK is 100k sloc C++; includes support for Cairo, GL, kitchen sinks All these things can be disabled at compile time. Maybe you are not fond of C++, but find me portable and

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On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 04:09:28PM -0700, Menche wrote: > On Sun, 1 May 2016 10:04:37 +1100 > Sylvain BERTRAND wrote: > > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 12:47:36PM +0200, Kajetan Jasztal wrote: > > > how about servo[1]? aims for memory security and fast parallel rendering

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On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 08:53:35PM +0200, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > [0] http://www.netsurf-browser.org/ I was looking at netsurf to add the javascript/DOM bits required for online banking (my bank account and online payement). But it seems rather not that easy to get into it. I will give it

Re: [dev] "Note On Webkit Versions"

On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 12:47:36PM +0200, Kajetan Jasztal wrote: > how about servo[1]? aims for memory security and fast parallel rendering > > [1] https://servo.org/ At least servo can be compiled with a simple ISO C99 compiler and limited SDK... unlike gcc with its mandatory ISO c++98. --

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On 30 April 2016 at 12:47, Kajetan Jasztal wrote: > how about servo[1]? aims for memory security and fast parallel rendering > > [1] https://servo.org/ I'd rather suggest NetSurf[0]. The idea is a couple of years old, but one could consider forking it and remove all

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On Sat, 30 Apr 2016, ra...@openmailbox.org wrote: > There is a lot of hype about rust being 'memory safe' but where is the > proof? You don't need a proof, you only need a significant improvement upon C, which Rust delivers. > secondly 1 in every 100 lines of servo is an 'unsafe {' directive.

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On Sat, 30 Apr 2016, Ben Woolley wrote: > You pretty much just described Dillo. Bookmarks exist, but through the > plugin API only. Memory only cache. CSS and SSL support, but no JS. > About the only thing I could see counted against it is that it is C++ > and not C, but

Re: [dev] "Note On Webkit Versions"

On 2016-04-30 11:47, Kajetan Jasztal wrote: how about servo[1]? aims for memory security and fast parallel rendering [1] https://servo.org/ There is a lot of hype about rust being 'memory safe' but where is the proof? secondly 1 in every 100 lines of servo is an 'unsafe {' directive. On

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how about servo[1]? aims for memory security and fast parallel rendering [1] https://servo.org/

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Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 29, 2016, at 4:24 PM, Sylvain BERTRAND > wrote: > > The main issue is java/ecma script on the "www DOM" (Document Object Model): > Between noscript www browser code requirements and script-able www browser > code > requirements, there

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> On Apr 29, 2016, at 1:25 PM, Kamil Cholewiński wrote: > >> On Fri, 29 Apr 2016, Christoph Lohmann <2...@r-36.net> wrote: >> Greetings. >> >>> On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:58:08 +0200 Jochen Sprickerhof >>> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> just saw this

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The main issue is java/ecma script on the "www DOM" (Document Object Model): Between noscript www browser code requirements and script-able www browser code requirements, there is an abyss in size and complexity. Additionnaly, the "modern" www tends to force the user to have a script-able www

Re: [dev] "Note On Webkit Versions"

On Fri, 29 Apr 2016, Christoph Lohmann <2...@r-36.net> wrote: > Greetings. > > On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:58:08 +0200 Jochen Sprickerhof > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> just saw this commit: >> >> http://git.suckless.org/sites/commit/?id=6e3450a047c5f7eda300f68814f7b1dfd499119e

Re: [dev] "Note On Webkit Versions"

On 2016-04-29 16:23, Jochen Sprickerhof wrote: Hi, just saw this commit: http://git.suckless.org/sites/commit/?id=6e3450a047c5f7eda300f68814f7b1dfd499119e Can someone (@Christoph) please specify which version of Webkit and which packaging is meant and what are the symptoms of hell? Thanks!

Re: [dev] "Note On Webkit Versions"

Greetings. On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:58:08 +0200 Jochen Sprickerhof wrote: > Hi, > > just saw this commit: > > http://git.suckless.org/sites/commit/?id=6e3450a047c5f7eda300f68814f7b1dfd499119e > > Can someone (@Christoph) please specify which version of Webkit and

[dev] "Note On Webkit Versions"

Hi, just saw this commit: http://git.suckless.org/sites/commit/?id=6e3450a047c5f7eda300f68814f7b1dfd499119e Can someone (@Christoph) please specify which version of Webkit and which packaging is meant and what are the symptoms of hell? Thanks! Jochen signature.asc Description: PGP signature