Re: [dev] arrow in the knee because of the GNU GPL???

2014-06-25 Thread Calvin Morrison
Could you describe to us what *exactly* did happen to you? see [0] [0] http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-took-an-arrow-in-the-knee

Re: [dev] arrow in the knee because of the GNU GPL???

2014-06-25 Thread Calvin Morrison
On 25 June 2014 12:49, Calvin Morrison mutanttur...@gmail.com wrote: Could you describe to us what *exactly* did happen to you? see [0] [0] http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-took-an-arrow-in-the-knee But more seriously, GNU freedom is the same kind of 'freedom' that is promised by communists.

Re: [dev] arrow in the knee because of the GNU GPL???

2014-06-25 Thread Sylvain BERTRAND
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 12:52:33PM -0400, Calvin Morrison wrote: On 25 June 2014 12:49, Calvin Morrison mutanttur...@gmail.com wrote: Could you describe to us what *exactly* did happen to you? see [0] [0] http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-took-an-arrow-in-the-knee But more seriously, GNU

Re: [dev] arrow in the knee because of the GNU GPL???

2014-06-25 Thread Alexander Huemer
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 12:52:33PM -0400, Calvin Morrison wrote: On 25 June 2014 12:49, Calvin Morrison mutanttur...@gmail.com wrote: Could you describe to us what *exactly* did happen to you? see [0] [0] http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-took-an-arrow-in-the-knee But more seriously,

Re: [dev] arrow in the knee because of the GNU GPL???

2014-06-25 Thread Calvin Morrison
If you craft your words enough, and trick people enough, then they will believe it is free, while being coerced into helping the 'greater good' The 'greater good' isn't a good but a bad thing in your opinion? It's a great thing in my opinion, but coercion isn't really a good way to achieve

Re: [dev] arrow in the knee because of the GNU GPL???

2014-06-25 Thread Alexander Huemer
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 01:52:14PM -0400, Calvin Morrison wrote: If you craft your words enough, and trick people enough, then they will believe it is free, while being coerced into helping the 'greater good' The 'greater good' isn't a good but a bad thing in your opinion? It's a

Re: [dev] arrow in the knee because of the GNU GPL???

2014-06-25 Thread Philip Rushik
The GPL inforces that the codebase stays free. No, all free licenses enforce a continually free codebase. If I release under MIT or BSD, that code that I release will always be free and there's nothing anybody else can do about it. GPL tries to control what other people do with code they wrote.

Re: [dev] arrow in the knee because of the GNU GPL???

2014-06-25 Thread Calvin Morrison
Granted, GPL did a lot of good, it created a free software culture and made Linux what it is. Ubuntu has also done a lot of good by getting people started in Linux, but that doesn't make it suckless. You have cause and effect written incorrectly. Free software existed first, then licenses were

Re: [dev] arrow in the knee because of the GNU GPL???

2014-06-25 Thread Philip Rushik
You have cause and effect written incorrectly. Free software existed first, then licenses were created afterward to protect them. Ok, well then in popularized or spread free software. My point was just that has done good doesn't justify its continued use, and doesn't make it suckless. That's

Re: [dev] arrow in the knee because of the GNU GPL???

2014-06-25 Thread Alexander Huemer
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 03:21:01AM +0900, Philip Rushik wrote: The GPL inforces that the codebase stays free. No, all free licenses enforce a continually free codebase. If I release under MIT or BSD, that code that I release will always be free and there's nothing anybody else can do about

Re: [dev] arrow in the knee because of the GNU GPL???

2014-06-25 Thread Alexander Huemer
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 04:07:14AM +0900, Philip Rushik wrote: You have cause and effect written incorrectly. Free software existed first, then licenses were created afterward to protect them. Ok, well then in popularized or spread free software. My point was just that has done good

Re: [dev] arrow in the knee because of the GNU GPL???

2014-06-25 Thread Philip Rushik
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 5:30 AM, Kurt Van Dijck dev.k...@vandijck-laurijssen.be wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 03:21:01AM +0900, Philip Rushik wrote: The GPL inforces that the codebase stays free. No, all free licenses enforce a continually free codebase. If I release under MIT or BSD, that

Re: [dev] arrow in the knee because of the GNU GPL???

2014-06-25 Thread Caleb Malchik
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 12:52:33 -0400 Calvin Morrison mutanttur...@gmail.com wrote: Free should mean anyone can take my code and do what they please with it. Somewhat free is usually like, they can do whatever they want, but leave my name on it. GNU Free is, sure you can use it, but you need to

Re: [dev] arrow in the knee because of the GNU GPL???

2014-06-25 Thread Dimitris Papastamos
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 06:33:17AM +0900, Philip Rushik wrote: Nobody can take your code and make it non-free under a MIT/BSD license, they can only make their modifications non-free. I am confused. The BSD 3-Clause License[0] states the following: Redistribution and use in source and binary

Re: [dev] arrow in the knee because of the GNU GPL???

2014-06-25 Thread Sylvain BERTRAND
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:30:28PM +0200, Kurt Van Dijck wrote: In my understanding, GPL enforces that derived work of your code will still be free to its users. This covers 2 major aspects: * One cannot repackage or modify GPL software and make it non-free I think that is a guarantee that

Re: [dev] arrow in the knee because of the GNU GPL???

2014-06-25 Thread Philip Rushik
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 8:02 AM, Dimitris Papastamos s...@2f30.org wrote: I am confused. The BSD 3-Clause License[0] states the following: Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are met:

Re: [dev] arrow in the knee because of the GNU GPL???

2014-06-25 Thread Dimitris Papastamos
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 08:24:23AM +0900, Philip Rushik wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 8:02 AM, Dimitris Papastamos s...@2f30.org wrote: I am confused. The BSD 3-Clause License[0] states the following: Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without modification, are