Re: [dev] "Making Apps That Don't Suck" by Mike Lee

Sorry for the delay, here is the link to the slides: http://dl.garbe.us/The_suckless_org_universe.pdf Cheers, --garbeam

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

On 6/7/11, Yue Wu wrote: > Smartphone has another function that hardly can be replaced by other > tools: note taking. Pen and paper aren't convenient for processing into > digital. For this purpose, I think Palm treo series is the best. I would much rather keep a small notebook and pen with me fo

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 06:02:00PM +0700, John Matthewman wrote: > On 6/6/11, ilf wrote: > > I actually only want a Browser and a usable Terminal with an SSH-Client. > > Well there's your problem. Save your money and get a dumbphone -- > like, maybe one of the cheapest models of Nokia candy-bar-s

Re: [dev] run a program and display on a specific tab

> The problem has become insoluble.  Even locating all possible > solutions is NP-hard. I don't get it.

Re: [dev] Best way to serialize data

> Reason why I'm asking is because I was wondering how a dmenu-alike > utility would read data, where each items has multiple values, not > just one. Kinda like a search utility for table-structured data. Interesting, you seem to be on the right track.

Re: [dev] PATCH for/back navigation with xprop

On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 01:14:05 +0100 Connor Lane Smith wrote: > Trouble is, finding that something else is difficult. That I can agree with. ^^

Re: [dev] "Making Apps That Don't Suck" by Mike Lee

On 5/31/11, chris hall wrote: > On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 19:54, Anselm R Garbe wrote: >>> Is there a recording of Anselm's talk at LinuxTag? >> >> No, I think they didn't make any recordings. I'll put the slides online >> tonight. > > Where can I find these? > > ~Chris Seconding this.

Re: [dev] PATCH for/back navigation with xprop

Hey, On 6 June 2011 23:28, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > I'm a little bit.. scared of perfectly decent things being cut out in the > name of sucklessness to be honest. It's quite a difficult decision to make, I think. With some tools, like terminals, if they don't appear instantly it gets quite

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

I still keep physical books around for the aforementioned ease of marking and the physical sensation associated with them (Dog earing pages etc.). However, most of the ones I keep around are technical books that require that sort of love in order to get the most out of them. I put the NOVELS that I

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

I can do all of that with my kindle, and it's all saved in a text file that i can easily backup. On Jun 6, 2011 6:33 PM, "Suraj N. Kurapati" wrote: > On Mon 06 Jun 2011 06:16:22 PM PDT, garbeam wrote: >> On 6 June 2011 17:45, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: >> > non-electronic books suck because you can't

Re: [dev] [PATCH] [lsw] Create manpage directory if it's not there

On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 18:42:20 +0200 Petr Sabata wrote: > On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 04:36:24PM +0100, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > > On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 10:35:56 +0200 > > Petr Sabata wrote: > > > > > + @mkdir -p ${DESTDIR}${MANPREFIX}/man1 > > > > This is the sort of thing which has people symlink

Re: [dev] [PATCH] [lsw] Create manpage directory if it's not there

I've rewritten lsx for dmenu, though I don't know whether I'll actually add it to the repo. However, it had a number of bugs, which I've fixed, and I've included your patch too. Attached. Thanks, cls /* See LICENSE file for copyright and license details. */ #include #include #include #include

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

On 06/06/2011 23:31, Suraj N. Kurapati wrote: On Mon 06 Jun 2011 06:16:22 PM PDT, garbeam wrote: Let's talk again in 40 years if you can still read your ebooks by then :) I stay loyal to real books. +1 I underline, write notes, and mark-up passages, and attach little sticky flags as bookmarks

Re: [dev] run a program and display on a specific tab

On 06/06/11 23:03, Ruben Gonzalez Arnau wrote: On 06/06/11 12:20, Piotr Zalewa wrote: Hi, I want to create a script which will load my default setup (quite a few programs). How to run a program so it will be displayed on a desired tab? (view, workspace - I always had a problem with that lingo)

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

On Mon 06 Jun 2011 06:16:22 PM PDT, garbeam wrote: > On 6 June 2011 17:45, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: > > non-electronic books suck because you can't easily search in, or > > copypaste from them. > > Let's talk again in 40 years if you can still read your ebooks by > then :) I stay loyal to real books

Re: [dev] PATCH for/back navigation with xprop

On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 23:16:49 + Bjartur Thorlacius wrote: > It's just that I believe spawning processes and creating windows > should be dirt cheap operations. Optimally, almost nothing should be > done in those functions. With Gtk+ 2.OMGWANTMOARBLOAT invading computers everywhere, your belief

Re: [dev] run a program and display on a specific tab

On 06/06/11 12:20, Piotr Zalewa wrote: Hi, I want to create a script which will load my default setup (quite a few programs). How to run a program so it will be displayed on a desired tab? (view, workspace - I always had a problem with that lingo) thanks, zalun Assuming you are using sh ver

Re: [dev] Patch for dmenu_path - pass -maxdepth 1 to find(1)

Connor Lane Smith writes: > Hey, > > On 6 June 2011 22:10, Troels Henriksen wrote: >> If . is part of your PATH (leaving aside questions of whether this is a >> good idea), dmenu_path can be very slow, as it searches the entire tree >> from the working directory for binaries, despite the fact th

Re: [dev] run a program and display on a specific tab

On 06/06/11 12:20, Piotr Zalewa wrote: Hi, I want to create a script which will load my default setup (quite a few programs). How to run a program so it will be displayed on a desired tab? (view, workspace - I always had a problem with that lingo) thanks, zalun Assuming you are using sh ver

Re: [dev] [PATCH] [lsw] Create manpage directory if it's not there

On 6 June 2011 14:05, Petr Sabata wrote: > While you're updating those small tools, any chance of getting this in? > http://lists.suckless.org/dev/1105/8047.html As I just discovered, lsx doesn't appear to have its own repo. I'm unsure why. But no, I apparently can't. ;) cls

Re: [dev] Patch for dmenu_path - pass -maxdepth 1 to find(1)

Hey, On 6 June 2011 22:10, Troels Henriksen wrote: > If . is part of your PATH (leaving aside questions of whether this is a > good idea), dmenu_path can be very slow, as it searches the entire tree > from the working directory for binaries, despite the fact that only > those immediately in the d

[dev] Patch for dmenu_path - pass -maxdepth 1 to find(1)

If . is part of your PATH (leaving aside questions of whether this is a good idea), dmenu_path can be very slow, as it searches the entire tree from the working directory for binaries, despite the fact that only those immediately in the directory matter. The following patch passes -maxdepth 1 to t

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Connor Lane Smith wrote: > E-paper is far better than a generic screen, admittedly, but I find it > less pleasant for some reason. Don't make a purchase, but find a store where you can try Amazon's newest Kindle. The screen seems much, much sharper than previous mo

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

On 6 June 2011 20:18, Andrew Hills wrote: > Honestly, when I'm reading a book rather than inspecting its medium, > the only noticeable difference between my ebook reader and a real book > is that I don't lose my page when I drop it because I've fallen > asleep. E-paper is far better than a generi

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Connor Lane Smith wrote: > Smartphones are invaluable for quick information retrieval from the > web web web, mail, and so on. I occasionally use mine for SSH, but it > is not optimal. With a physical keyboard, I find using SSH on an Android phone painless as long

Re: [dev] Best way to serialize data

On 6 June 2011 20:07, Džen wrote: > I wonder, which method would need more cpu time? I suppose that when > using delimiters there isn't a easier way than using fgetc(), reading > through the whole data stream. Hard-coded field lengths would be faster > if the fields contain a lot of characters I g

Re: [dev] Best way to serialize data

Pretty much answers my question. In my use case it'd be easier to use delimiters like \0 or \n, due to the data not being binary. However now I wonder, which method would need more cpu time? I suppose that when using delimiters there isn't a easier way than using fgetc(), reading through the whole

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

Hey, On 6 June 2011 19:25, David Tweed wrote: > (In general, I'm always a bit surprised how it seems to be perceived > to be suckless to proscribe the user-level tasks that are allowed. How > those are implemented yes, but saying that classes of activity are not > acceptable?) Only trolls; I hop

Re: [dev] run a program and display on a specific tab

hello, if you were referring to dwm rather than wmii... On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 02:49:57PM +0100, Piotr Zalewa wrote: > >>I want to create a script which will load my default setup (quite a > >>few programs). > > > >I use .xinitrc for this. ... or .xsession > I don't want to do it every time t

Re: [dev] Best way to serialize data

On 6 June 2011 19:22, Connor Lane Smith wrote: > 0x000d 0x0006 "hello"\0 0x0007 "world!"\0 I made a mistake here, I meant to say... 0x0011 0x0006 "hello"\0 0x0007 "world!"\0 ... including two 2-byte cell widths in the row width.

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Guilherme Lino wrote: > i would recomend a cheap phone, that make calls and sends smSs.. > > whene you dont have your pc, read a book.. i think thats the most suckless > way A "smart phone" makes sense in certain circumstances. I have an old mobile phone which just

Re: [dev] Best way to serialize data

Hey, On 6 June 2011 18:19, Džen wrote: > I was wondering about which way would be the easiest/simplest to > serialize data, f.e. being read via a file or stdin (data being a > table of x rows and y columns, each cell a string). I thought of > using NULL bytes as cell delimiters and newline charac

Re: [dev] Best way to serialize data

On 06/06/2011 19:36, Douglas S. Bregolin wrote: In the ASCII table there's a "record separator" character (0x1E). At least I think is better than using '\0'. On 06/06/2011 19:42, Christoph Lohmann wrote: then why wasn't \x1C-\x1F used before for a data exchange format? To be honest, I've nev

Re: [dev] Best way to serialize data

Hello, Douglas S. Bregolin wrote: In the ASCII table there's a "record separator" character (0x1E). At least I think is better than using '\0'. then why wasn't \x1C-\x1F used before for a data exchange format? I don't think we are the first to discover them in the ASCII table. It would be quie

Re: [dev] Best way to serialize data

On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 19:19:56 +0200 Džen wrote: > I was wondering about which way would be the easiest/simplest to > serialize data, f.e. being read via a file or stdin (data being a > table of x rows and y columns, each cell a string). I thought of > using NULL bytes as cell delimiters and newlin

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

i mostly do this when i'm at bed (before waking up and when going to sleep), the phone/pda/itt/... screen size is the best one for this situation, and it's usually more comfortable than any other gadget, it brights on the dark, it's small and you can manage it with just one finger without pain.

Re: [dev] Best way to serialize data

In the ASCII table there's a "record separator" character (0x1E). At least I think is better than using '\0'. On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Džen wrote: > I was wondering about which way would be the easiest/simplest to > serialize data, f.e. being read via a file or stdin (data being a > table

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Jacob Todd wrote: > Only in phone? That doesn't make any sense. My kindle's screen is infinitely > better for reading than a lcd/crt screen. I'll second that. If I had to read on my phone, I wouldn't read. --Andrew Hills

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

I agree with that. phone screens are the least sucky to read ebooks on. Dieter On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 19:34:20 +0200 pancake wrote: > I do, but only in phone, laptop/desktop/ebook screens sucks for > reading. > > On 06/06/11 19:24, Guilherme Lino wrote: > > electronic books suck because you dont

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

Only in phone? That doesn't make any sense. My kindle's screen is infinitely better for reading than a lcd/crt screen. On Jun 6, 2011 1:28 PM, "pancake" wrote:

Re: [dev] Best way to serialize data

On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 19:19:56 +0200 Džen wrote: > I was wondering about which way would be the easiest/simplest to > serialize data, f.e. being read via a file or stdin (data being a > table of x rows and y columns, each cell a string). I thought of > using NULL bytes as cell delimiters and newlin

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

that's only because i have no ebook reader yet. because they all suck. On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 18:24:16 +0100 Guilherme Lino wrote: > electronic books suck because you dont actually read them > > -- > Guilherme Lino > > > On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Dieter Plaetinck > wrote: > > > non-electr

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

I do, but only in phone, laptop/desktop/ebook screens sucks for reading. On 06/06/11 19:24, Guilherme Lino wrote: electronic books suck because you dont actually read them -- Guilherme Lino On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Dieter Plaetinck > wrote: non-electro

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

electronic books suck because you dont actually read them -- Guilherme Lino On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: > non-electronic books suck because you can't easily search in, or > copypaste from them. > >

[dev] Best way to serialize data

I was wondering about which way would be the easiest/simplest to serialize data, f.e. being read via a file or stdin (data being a table of x rows and y columns, each cell a string). I thought of using NULL bytes as cell delimiters and newline characters as row delimiters. This way it wouldn't be

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

On 6 June 2011 17:45, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: > non-electronic books suck because you can't easily search in, or > copypaste from them. Let's talk again in 40 years if you can still read your ebooks by then :) I stay loyal to real books. --garbeam

Re: [dev] [PATCH] [lsw] Create manpage directory if it's not there

On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 04:36:24PM +0100, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 10:35:56 +0200 > Petr Sabata wrote: > > > + @mkdir -p ${DESTDIR}${MANPREFIX}/man1 > > This is the sort of thing which has people symlinking man -> share/man or > vice versa. > I really don't see how

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Guilherme Lino wrote: > i would recomend a cheap phone, that make calls and sends smSs.. > > whene you dont have your pc, read a book.. i think thats the most suckless > way > > Amen. > -- > Guilherme Lino > > > >> >

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

non-electronic books suck because you can't easily search in, or copypaste from them. maybe you need a tablet or one of those ebook readers. Dieter On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 17:42:29 +0100 Guilherme Lino wrote: > a book about plan9? > > -- > Guilherme Lino > > > On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:23 PM, And

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

a book about plan9? -- Guilherme Lino On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Andrew Hills wrote: > On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Guilherme Lino > wrote: > > whene you dont have your pc, read a book.. i think thats the most > suckless > > way > > No, not really... > > --Andrew Hills > >

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Guilherme Lino wrote: > whene you dont have your pc, read a book.. i think thats the most suckless > way No, not really... --Andrew Hills

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

i would recomend a cheap phone, that make calls and sends smSs.. whene you dont have your pc, read a book.. i think thats the most suckless way -- Guilherme Lino >

Re: [dev] run a program and display on a specific tab

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Piotr Zalewa wrote: > wmii The problem has become insoluble. Even locating all possible solutions is NP-hard. -- # Kurt H Maier

Re: [dev] run a program and display on a specific tab

On 06/06/11 15:41, Connor Lane Smith wrote: Hey, 2011/6/6 Piotr Zalewa: How to run a program so it will be displayed on a desired tab? (view, workspace - I always had a problem with that lingo) So are we talking about wmii or dwm or what? wmii zalun

Re: [dev] run a program and display on a specific tab

2011/6/6 Piotr Zalewa : > Hi, > > I want to create a script which will load my default setup (quite a few > programs). > > How to run a program so it will be displayed on a desired tab? (view, > workspace - I always had a problem with that lingo) I have used xdotool for this. I've been lazy and ju

Re: [dev] run a program and display on a specific tab

On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 10:04:57 -0400 Kurt H Maier wrote: > > It's more complicated as xterms are on many tags > > Window class is not the only thing tags can use. Even if it was, xterms have more than one way to set window class. -T was always my favourite.

Re: [dev] [PATCH] [lsw] Create manpage directory if it's not there

On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 10:35:56 +0200 Petr Sabata wrote: > + @mkdir -p ${DESTDIR}${MANPREFIX}/man1 This is the sort of thing which has people symlinking man -> share/man or vice versa.

Re: [dev] Distribution

On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 14:50:25 +0200 Pierre Chapuis wrote: > On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 17:01:54 +0100, garbeam wrote: > > On 3 June 2011 12:41, Sir Cyrus wrote: > >> What's the most suckless Linux distribution? > > > > http://bellard.org/jslinux/ > > So the most suckless Linux is a Linux that requires a

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

I have an Android Nexus S and an Iphone 4. The Iphone4 sucks less. Yes you need to tether it initially to Itunes (colleague's) and have an Apple ID. However I was surprised that ifuse actually works and I have not plugged it into Itunes since... giving it away to my girlfriend (who has a MBP). htt

Re: [dev] run a program and display on a specific tab

Hey, 2011/6/6 Piotr Zalewa : > How to run a program so it will be displayed on a desired tab? (view, > workspace - I always had a problem with that lingo) So are we talking about wmii or dwm or what? cls

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Bjartur Thorlacius wrote: > On 6/6/11, John Matthewman wrote: >> On 6/6/11, ilf wrote: >>> I actually only want a Browser and a usable Terminal with an SSH-Client. >> >> Well there's your problem. Save your money and get a dumbphone -- >> like, maybe one of the ch

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

On 6/6/11, John Matthewman wrote: > On 6/6/11, ilf wrote: >> I actually only want a Browser and a usable Terminal with an SSH-Client. > > Well there's your problem. Save your money and get a dumbphone -- > like, maybe one of the cheapest models of Nokia candy-bar-shaped > phones -- and then use a

Re: [dev] run a program and display on a specific tab

2011/6/6 Piotr Zalewa : > I don't want to do it every time You are allowed to have more than one .xinitrc on a system. > It's more complicated as xterms are on many tags Window class is not the only thing tags can use. -- # Kurt H Maier

Re: [dev] run a program and display on a specific tab

On 06/06/11 11:40, ilf wrote: On 06-06 11:20, Piotr Zalewa wrote: I want to create a script which will load my default setup (quite a few programs). I use .xinitrc for this. I don't want to do it every time How to run a program so it will be displayed on a desired tab? (view, workspace - I

Re: [dev] run a program and display on a specific tab

On 06/06/11 14:47, Erik Hahn wrote: On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 11:20:29AM +0100, Piotr Zalewa wrote: Hi, I want to create a script which will load my default setup (quite a few programs). How to run a program so it will be displayed on a desired tab? (view, workspace - I always had a problem with

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

On Sun, 5 Jun 2011 19:38:13 +0200, hiro wrote: I'd get a palm pre for about EUR 100. Same here, that's my next phone. It will replace my LG GW620 with Android 1.5... -- Pierre 'catwell' Chapuis

Re: [dev] [PATCH] [lsw] Create manpage directory if it's not there

On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 12:52:32PM +0100, Connor Lane Smith wrote: > Hey, > > On 6 June 2011 09:35, Petr Sabata wrote: > > This is self-explanatory... > > Applied, thanks. Awesome. While you're updating those small tools, any chance of getting this in? http://lists.suckless.org/dev/1105/8047.h

Re: [dev] [PATCH] [lsw] Create manpage directory if it's not there

Hey, On 6 June 2011 09:35, Petr Sabata wrote: > This is self-explanatory... Applied, thanks. Connor

Re: [dev] run a program and display on a specific tab

On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 11:20:29AM +0100, Piotr Zalewa wrote: > Hi, > > I want to create a script which will load my default setup (quite a > few programs). > > How to run a program so it will be displayed on a desired tab? > (view, workspace - I always had a problem with that lingo) In wmii, yo

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

On 6/6/11, ilf wrote: > I actually only want a Browser and a usable Terminal with an SSH-Client. Well there's your problem. Save your money and get a dumbphone -- like, maybe one of the cheapest models of Nokia candy-bar-shaped phones -- and then use a computer for the browser and terminal. Netbo

Re: [dev] run a program and display on a specific tab

On 06-06 11:20, Piotr Zalewa wrote: I want to create a script which will load my default setup (quite a few programs). I use .xinitrc for this. How to run a program so it will be displayed on a desired tab? (view, workspace - I always had a problem with that lingo) I assign programs to tag

[dev] run a program and display on a specific tab

Hi, I want to create a script which will load my default setup (quite a few programs). How to run a program so it will be displayed on a desired tab? (view, workspace - I always had a problem with that lingo) thanks, zalun

Re: [dev] Suckless Smartphone?

Nice that this thread started. I am looking forward for input, since currently I feel I have the choice between veeery bad and vey bad. * ilf [2011-06-05 19:18]: > I actually only want a Browser and a usable Terminal with an SSH-Client. That's what I want, too. Plus *good* battery li

[dev] [PATCH] [lsw] Create manpage directory if it's not there

This is self-explanatory... Signed-off-by: Petr Sabata --- Makefile |1 + 1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-) diff --git a/Makefile b/Makefile index 1d2f43d..7a324ef 100644 --- a/Makefile +++ b/Makefile @@ -40,6 +40,7 @@ install: all @cp -f lsw ${DESTDIR}${PREFIX}/bin