Hi,
I’ve read you want to use OpenBSD’s ksh for sta.li.
Why don’t you use mksh instead, which is massively
more actively supported, less buggy and well-ported?
It already supports eglibc, µClibc, dietlibc, klibc,
bionic, musl, and others…
https://www.mirbsd.org/mksh.htm
It’s the default shell
Calvin Morrison mutantturkey at gmail.com writes:
I just spend about fifteen minutes writing this little tool that I call print:
Don’t: print is a Korn Shell built-in command since 1988 or so.
bye,
//mirabilos
Christoph Lohmann dixit:
How are you using pkgsrc and how do you install a new system with just
pkgsrc?
NetBSD® pkgsrc® is a method to install a set of packages
on top of a base system, like all the BSDs have.
I guess you’ll need a minimal GNU/Linux system below it,
maybe
Calvin Morrison dixit:
What is the problem though? for me initialization should be
ridiculously simple. init should call a simple script, that script
contains the daemons you want to run, or anything else you want to do
during boot, including starting networking, login prompts and stuff.
That’s
Max DeLiso dixit:
If windows was totally unusable would it have succeeded in the way that it
Windows® does not have succeeded.
Until and including version 7, it’s brought new people, who IMHO
do not belong in front of a computer except with nōn-root rights
and having hired, say, a student as
Strake dixit:
In UTF-8 the maximum encoded character length is 6 bytes [1]
Right, but the largest codepoint in Unicode is U-0001,
which is �: F0 9F BF BF in UTF-8.
Most things are in the BMP anyway – for example, the distance
between the lowest and highest encoded glyph in an X11 font
is
random...@fastmail.us dixit:
Those systems aren't using wchar_t *or* wint_t for unicode, though.
Do not assume that.
tg@blau:~ $ echo '__STDC_ISO_10646__ / __WCHAR_TYPE__ , __WCHAR_MAX__' | cc -E -
# 1 stdin
# 1 built-in
# 1 command line
# 1 stdin
29L / short unsigned int , 65535U
The main
Gregor Best dixit:
wasting much time. If it works with the patch replacing $() by ``,
The issue here is the use of $(shell …) which is not the same
as the shellish $(…).
Replace it by $$(…) instead, as U+0060 should die.
bye,
//mirabilos
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Hi, does anyone sell openbsd stickers by themselves
Christoph Lohmann dixit:
Which applications do you use that handle double-width as you expect them?
mksh and jupp (though I don’t use st).
Do these applications use the double-width for the layout?
It’s possible to use Unicode characters, halfwidth or fullwidth,
to draw nice boxen in
random...@fastmail.us dixit:
Wait a minute... what exactly do you _expect_ meta to do? Using (for
example) meta-a to type 0xE1 a with acute is _not_, in fact, the
expected or intended behavior; it is a bug. And I don't think it will
No, it is the intended behaviour.
Gregor Best dixit:
are added to your keyboard layout. Works fine with st, and the regular
Left alt sends escape-behaviour stays the same (and works fine with
irssi and the like).
On the BSD text console and in default XTerm, the left Alt key
acts as 8-bit enabling Meta key, so it’s *not* the
random...@fastmail.us dixit:
If this were an intended feature why would it elevate latin-1 over other
unicode characters? This only proves my point.
It doesn’t – it’s just that latin1 is the first 256 chars of Unicode
by accident (or design, don’t know, ask the Unicode people).
And this
Roberto E. Vargas Caballero dixit:
It is the expected behaviour. As far as I know the first keyboard with meta
key was space-cadet keyboard (look it in
Ah okay, thanks for the historic backup!
meta codes you have it configured for it (or maybe your xterm has a
different default configuration
Gregor Best dixit:
didn't use mksh that long before switching from Linux to OpenBSD.
Nothing prevents you from replacing /bin/{,k}sh with mksh…
(I’ve done so on an OpenBSD VM at work) or just installing
it alongside and using it.
bye,
//mirabilos
PS: on that signature… Frank is zsh
Anselm R Garbe dixit:
Can you elaborate on this functionality a bit that mksh provides, but
pdksh doesn't?
Not easily; the last release of pdksh was in 1999, and mksh is
actively developed; even pointing out every single bugfix, for
POSuX compliance or genuine, would take several Kibibytes.
Edgaras dixit:
Well it fails to compile on PI for me
What OS? What error message?
There was a period where a bug in GCC prevented a configure time
check from working. In mksh R45 (released yesterday), the entire
arithmetics code has been rewritten to not use signed integers,
making that check
Jens Staal dixit:
Sorry for taking this out of context (and on the wrong list), but I built mksh
(now a relatively old version 40f) for Plan9/APE (using the native cc front
end to the plan9 compilers) in the hope to replace the old pdksh sh command
there.
Yeah, I did that too. With ed, as I
Ross Lagerwall dixit:
+eval exec $(dmenu_path | dmenu $@)
You might need double-quotes around that (the eval argument).
Best to check with something containing a tab, e.g.
「a\↹b c↹d e」 where ↹ is a tab. Sometimes spaces and
quotes are not enough to show the issues.
bye,
//mirabilos
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“It is
Peter Hofmann dixit:
I believe you can work around all these issues by simply prefixing the
command piped to the shell with an exec:
dmenu_path | dmenu $@ | sed 's/^/exec /' | ${SHELL:-/bin/sh}
Won't necessarily work if the result is not a simple command, though…
FWIW:
tg@blau:~ $ cat
j. van den hoff dixit:
-.B Ctrl\-f and Ctrl\-\\
currently, the corresponding line renders as Ctrl-f and Ctrl- when calling
The nroff escape for a backslash is actually \e ☺
• https://www.mirbsd.org/manUSD/21.troff
• https://www.mirbsd.org/manUSD/22.trofftut
bye,
//mirabilos
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Hugues Moretto-Viry dixit:
Could you explain me why FTP sucks?
http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie
bye,
//mirabilos
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guy. But he's always right! In every fsckin' situation, he's right. Even
with his deeply perverted
Martin Miller dixit:
pkill -9 metacity dwm
In most environments, this will *not* work, as terminating the
window manager will terminate your X session as well.
I've been given a laptop for work that's running Kubuntu. In the KDE
world is there something similar to metacity that I can kill so
pancake dixit:
On 05/16/13 13:09, hiro wrote:
http://penma.de/code/gettext-stub/
https://github.com/rofl0r/gettext-tiny
https://www.mirbsd.org/MirOS/dist/hosted/libnointl/libnointl-20091122.tar.gz
bye,
//mirabilos
PS: Contributors welcome, e.g. to provide the same API and,
for the
Fernando C.V. dixit:
rendered, but unreadable.. can you copy-paste the invisible spaces
between the [-c ]?
How about:
script enter man foo enter q exit enter
Then send in the typescript, gzip(1)d.
bye,
//mirabilos
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Sorry, I’m annoyed today and you came by as an Arch user. These are
G David Modica dixit:
On 11:06 Wed 22 May , Thorsten Glaser wrote:
How about:
script enter man foo enter q exit enter
gdm@gdmThink ~$ script enter man foo enter q exit enter
bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
gdm@gdmThink ~$
This is something to print out, frame
Andrew Gwozdziewycz dixit:
Not really, given that HTML has *nothing* to do with HTTP.
Both are overused, really.
Of course, you often retrieve HTML documents via HTTP
Doing anything else (well, file download is also okay),
such as this XMLRPC crap, or even tunneling, over HTTP
instead of just
Nick dixit:
and hackable base. It's certainly in the interests of many
unpleasant organisations to force people to 'consume web content' in
the way proposed, such that it can't readily be scraped or changed,
I think that thing is called “Television”. Not really sure,
considering I stopped
Nicolas Braud-Santoni dixit:
Well, SFTP requires you to create a user account. (I'm aware that it may
not be one with which you can SSH in).
Some people might not want this.
If someone does not have a user account on your site, they
have no business uploading large files either.
If you’re on
markus schnalke dixit:
you rather use w3m?
Is there anyone on earth having figured out how to *use* that,
as in navigate?
Fernando C.V. dixit:
Also you can write rules for it that allow you to preprocess certain
websites or handle some of them differently, like running external
viewers for
Silvan Jegen dixit:
As a Vim user I see it the same way. In addition, correct me if I am
wrong but as far as I know lynx does not handle CJK characters
properly (German umlauts seem to work ok apparently).
No, that works properly as long as you use libncursesw
(one of the benefits of MirBSD over
random...@fastmail.us dixit:
Okay - I'll get it in patch format later today, but it might be this
weekend before I have time to write a manpage - test has a _lot_ of
options.
Feel free to take the test(1) description that’s part of
https://www.mirbsd.org/man1/mksh as base (it’s in mdoc).
bye,
Christoph Lohmann dixit:
* tab completion
Can busybox ash do this? (If so, that’s recent.)
* Does this really need plugins?
Definitely not; in mksh, tab completion is deterministic: the
first word is expanded as command, all other words as files.
Only downside is that tab completion is
Christoph Lohmann dixit:
Remove this Build.sh crap and add some real Makefile and I will recon‐
sider using it.
You can let Build.sh generate a Makefile using the -M option,
but that Makefile would then be specific to the system it ran
on (actually “for”, not “on”, considering
Cc’ing the mksh list. Feel free to keep it, redirect there,
or remove it again.
Christoph Lohmann dixit:
At least autoconf allows to specify a prefix, LDFLAGS or CFLAGS and some
A prefix is only needed when the Makefile installs; Build.sh accepts
the environment variables CC, CPPFLAGS, CFLAGS,
Galos, David dixit:
On GNU systems stdint.h still provides uint64_t, but I have no idea
how portable this is.
stdint.h is C99.
bye,
//mirabilos
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17:08⎜«Vutral» früher gabs keine packenden smartphones und so
17:08⎜«Vutral» heute gibts frauen die sind facebooksüchtig
17:10⎜«Vutral» aber auch
Andrew Gwozdziewycz dixit:
But how often does stuff actually get updated? You can simply pregenerate
all the content and serve it... For a site with 50 pages, that's nothing.
FWIW, the MirBSD website is kept in CVS and generated with
some (BSD) make and mksh scripts, then rsync’d to a webserver
Thuban dixit:
But what about st?
^Au
echo bind u digraph 'U+' ~/.screenrc
hf,
//mirabilos
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17:08⎜«Vutral» früher gabs keine packenden smartphones und so
17:08⎜«Vutral» heute gibts frauen die sind facebooksüchtig
17:10⎜«Vutral» aber auch traurig; früher warst du als nerd voll am arsch
Jens Staal dixit:
How does someone use that package on a working Linux distribution?
That depends on how you define working.
Did nobody fork Arch from before it became poettering’d and UsrMove’d
yet? May call it Hintern Linux ;-)
Indeed, I see a serious problem should Debian also fall,
Jens Staal dixit:
I am looking at Alpine at the moment... uclibc/busybox based
That is precisely the thing I was *not* addressing by stating
“company-use” ☺
Don’t get me wrong, I’ve started toying with something musl too,
but for “at work” you don’t want that, or can’t justify it, or
whatever.
Jens Staal dixit:
By the way: what is the status of MirOS on top of Linux? A dead project?
It was never really worked on but apparently got hyped in
“the media” (especially Wikipedia, which is known to get
its facts wrong but disallow corrections). It was basically
a “we could…” idea but not
Chris Down dixit:
try mksh.
FWIW, mksh has three different “echo”; if invoked as mksh, it uses
a BSD echo by default which does interpret backslashes, but if one
uses set -o posix (or invokes it as sh or -sh and it is compiled
with -DMKSH_BINSHPOSIX (CVS HEAD)) it has an echo that only honours
Andrew Gwozdziewycz dixit:
SBCL and Racket are certainly faster than Python, PHP, Ruby, Perl in most
Less portable: http://packages.debian.org/sid/sbcl#pdownload
bye,
//mirabilos
--
FWIW, I'm quite impressed with mksh interactively. I thought it was much
*much* more bare bones. But it turns
Strake dixit:
miss them. Archiver/compressor integration loses, for it needs a flag
and code for each compression format.
I’d not use those anyway. I normally compress with:
find foo -type f | sort | cpio -oC512 -Hustar | gzip -n9 foo.tgz
Failing that, this one’s almost the same:
tar -b 1 -cf
Strake dixit:
shift $(dc -e $OPTIND 1 - p);
*what*?!
shift $(($OPTIND-1)) is POSIX.
bye,
//mirabilos
--
FWIW, I'm quite impressed with mksh interactively. I thought it was much
*much* more bare bones. But it turns out it beats the living hell out of
ksh93 in that respect. I'd even consider it
hiro dixit:
one more reason to use use proper plan9: bourne shell sucks a lot
compared to rc.
Well nobody uses bourne shell (that thing with U+0060 for COMSUBs
and ^ instead of | as pipe character) any more.
Welcome to the 21ₛₜ century.
Although I freely admit that POSIX shell also sucks and
Andreas Krennmair dixit:
from a few years ago that explains in detail how clever compilers really are
with their optimizations: http://www.fefe.de/source-code-optimization.pdf
“Learn what the compiler does” – did anyone do that for pcc recently?
I’m sure it does _not_ do all those
Nick dixit:
What other evil things can tar creators do?
Symlinks with st_nlink ≠ 1 for one ☹ need to fix that
in paxmirabilis (MirCPIO) too.
bye,
//mirabilos
--
17:08⎜«Vutral» früher gabs keine packenden smartphones und so
17:08⎜«Vutral» heute gibts frauen die sind facebooksüchtig
Markus Teich dixit:
I am using the neo2 keyboard layout [0] via setxkbmap de neo and noticed,
the
Shift+AltGr+ä combo does not work in st.
Can someone help me debug/fix this?
What raw keys does it precisely produce in st?
$ cat enterShift+AltGr+ä
Then show what's written.
bye,
Dixi quod…
What raw keys does it precisely produce in st?
Oh wait. You expect it to insert from the buffer,
as opposed to do a shell functionality.
Meh. I just middle-click to do that.
You might want to “xmodmap -pke” and look at the
output, as well as toy around with xev.
If you expect the
Calvin Morrison dixit:
I was sick of ls | wc -l being so damned slow on large directories, so
What, besides the printing and sorting, is the slow part anyway?
Is it the VFS API or just the filesystem code?
In the latter case… could workarounds exist? Someone asked this…
Calvin Morrison dixit:
Its called unionfs if I recall
No. Go read it again.
On Jul 25, 2013 9:28 PM, Thorsten Glaser t...@mirbsd.de wrote:
And stop top-posting and full-quoting.
Read http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren/ (it’s in
German, English and Dutch, so no excuses).
bye,
//mirabilos
Kai Hendry dixit:
And run your C program from systemd? (*duck*)
/me shudders (at the mere thought of “anathema” Poettering software)
Someone actually took my analog clock (written in mksh) and
packaged it for Arsch Linux, with a systemd… whatever they
call initscripts these days… that runs it
Bjartur Thorlacius dixit:
by the censor. In short, ext2/3 directories are linked lists. You can traverse
Are they, still? I thought they had the equivalent of UFS_DIRHASH
nowadays…
bye,
//mirabilos
--
[...] if maybe ext3fs wasn't a better pick, or jfs, or maybe reiserfs, oh but
what about
Anselm R Garbe dixit:
Are you willing to accept a Makefile/config.mk approach for mksh? This
[…]
My current approach for all sta.li userland tools is creating a custom
Makefile/config.mk, simply because the existing Build.sh, autoconf or
whatever approach sucks.
(jump to tl;dr at the end of the
sin dixit:
if(!(p = malloc(strlen(d-d_name)+1)))
eprintf(malloc:);
- strcpy(p, d-d_name);
+ snprintf(p, strlen(d-d_name)+1, %s, d-d_name);
I object. The better fix here is:
+
sin dixit:
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:00:11AM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
if(len+1 *size !(*p = realloc(*p, len+1)))
^
eprintf(realloc:);
- strcpy((*p)[len-n], buf
Signed-off-by: Thorsten Glaser t.gla...@tarent.de
---
LICENSE | 1 +
tabbed.1 | 5 +
tabbed.c | 8
3 files changed, 14 insertions(+)
diff --git a/LICENSE b/LICENSE
index add8a53..b8dc9ea 100644
--- a/LICENSE
+++ b/LICENSE
@@ -3,6 +3,7 @@ MIT/X Consortium License
© 2009-2011 Enno
Christoph Lohmann dixit:
Thanks for the hint, but you didn’t do it right. The geometry string al‐
lows to specify negative positions too and a negative zero too. Addi‐
Hrm, ok ☹ back to the drawing board, then (unless you’ve got
a hint – I’ve not done any X11 programming previously).
Roberto E. Vargas Caballero dixit:
After reading your reply I dig more in the problem, and I can see now
that the problem is not related to the wide character patch. I am using
OpenBSD now, where there is a binary database of terminfo definitions
in /usr/share/misc/terminfo, and it has a very old
Roberto E. Vargas Caballero dixit:
This means that is needed be root to install a new definition,
I was assuming you had control over the system, yes.
and it sounds strange to me that a normal user cannot add a
new terminal definition.
There may or may not be a way, but I don’t know it. UTSL.
Raphaël Proust dixit:
On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Alexander S. alex0pla...@gmail.com wrote:
Uh, cannot this be achieved by piping output to tac?
At which points someone asks why is there a sorted order at all in ls
output… cannot this be achieved by piping output to sort?
Only if you pipe
Strake dixit:
http://starchlinux.org/
“HTTP/1.1 200 Schön”?!
One rather important thing: starchlinux.org has got an RR
but the httpd does not listen on IP, only on Legacy IP. Please
fix that, because otherwise, a good part of the ’net can’t ac‐
cess your site.
bye,
//mirabilos
--
[
Strake dixit:
“HTTP/1.1 200 Schön”?!
What, is this improper usage?
No, just funny.
Yes, sorry, I missed that it bound to IPv4 alone by default. Should
work now. Thanks.
Nope – maybe it’s firewalled (looks like pf block drop)?
tg@blau:~ $ nc -v6 starchlinux.org 80
nc: connect to
Alex Pilon dixit:
Don't od's and hexdump's functionality overlap?
Yes, they (and hd) are normally one binary.
Do we still really need uuencode and uudecode?
Yes!
I often use them, in combination with GNU screen, to
copy/paste files(!) from one tab to the other, when
using other methods (such
Alex Pilon dixit:
I know the trick. I used base64 for that, not uuencode. Don't they
both have the same overhead, other than uuencode's header?
Yes but uuencode is more portable… e.g. the Linux “base64” tool is
rarely installed anywhere and is extremely picky about the formatting
of its input;
Truls Becken dixit:
bc dc
bc can be done on top of dc; BSD does that (the dc uses OpenSSL
for arbitrary-precision numbers).
killall
I object, killall should never, ever, be used. (Try it on a
Solaris system, for example.)
On 2013-10-18, at 12:29, sin wrote:
make: Do we really need this in
Szymon Olewniczak dixit:
Pages writen in XML has readable source
No. Much like sendmail.cf, XML is a binary/object format
and ought to be treated as such.
bye,
//mirabilos
--
Sometimes they [people] care too much: pretty printers [and syntax highligh-
ting, d.A.] mechanically produce pretty
Chris Down dixit:
I don't even know what to say to this...
Must be the full moon. First 20h “liking” kdbus, now this…
bye,
//mirabilos
--
This space for rent.
Szymon Olewniczak dixit:
s/HTML/XML+XSLT/g is quite a revolution.
But it's something whitch I can use in my application straight away
without forcing user to change their web browsers.
But XSLT is a joke. Have you *seen* the lengths people go through
to actually *do* anything in it?
It may
Evan Buswell dixit:
playing with that adds symbolic references and uses binary instead of
utf-8 strings); RST is better for structured text---though I'm not
Oh yeah, let’s all do binary now instead of passing around plaintext!
Wait. No!
Pointing out Unix/Plan 9 way works just fine,
//mirabilos
Evan Buswell dixit:
like you're gonna put UTF-8 parsing into cat.
cat is just a sendfile, it’s not doing anything with the content.
On the other hand, for a data exchange format, some measure of
data types is a commodity. JSON is not binary-safe, true, but the
Unix/Plan 9 way doesn’t need it to
Mihail Zenkov dixit:
It not mention good xml alternative: TOML
Thank gods the time of Windows 3.x *.ini files is long gone.
bye,
//mirabilos
--
diogenese Beware of ritual lest you forget the meaning behind it.
igli yeah but it means if you really care about something, don't
ritualise it,
Sylvain BERTRAND dixit:
and use CPIO text description to avoid being root to create the
You can use paxmirabilis/MirCPIO for that (it’s packaged as “pax”
in Debian wheezy and newer, in case you wonder). Example:
find * | sort | paxcpio -oC512 -Hsv4cpio -Mdist | xz -2e initrd
-Mdist normalises
Sylvain BERTRAND dixit:
-Mdist normalises all uid:gid to 0:0 (and some other things that
Strange, I though this feature was available with basic CPIO utils.
No, it’s not, it’s implementation-specific extension.
But then, paxtar is a BSD-licenced and pretty compact implementation,
so it
hiro dixit:
the format of ini files are a problem for you??
Multiple question marks, he said, are a sure sign of a diseased mind.
(Or something like that. It’s been some time since I last read him.)
On 10/23/13, Thorsten Glaser t...@mirbsd.de wrote:
Oh great, TOFU! Please read and honour
http
koneu dixit:
Oh please tell me a good alternative free and reliable mail service.
sendmail? postfix? There’s a lot of stuff around, and you can
just run them for free on your own server. Easy to set up, too.
(This is really stupid. Besides, you could just search around
for unix shell accounts
Chris Down dixit:
On 2013-11-02 11:13, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote:
Gmail's webmail doesn't allow to tune quoting attribution in a
sensible manner, so repeating this every time doesn't make much sense.
Meh, until it’s beaten into peoples’ brains… ;-)
Surely the answer to that is to not use
ludovic samek dixit:
encrypted actually? Do you know some dev lists where they use
encryption?
I’m carrying the Secure List Server patch for mailman on the
installations we use at work. (Reminds me to get the time to
update and polish this and upload to Debian proper…)
D. Czarkoff dixit:
Thorsten Glaser said:
(The frontend needs not be graphical, of course.)
Why?
Erm… because graphical stuff sucks? Because I run all my stuff
in GNU screen (sure, in an uxterm, but that’s just to get the
font and Unicode support with enough glyphs)? Because there’s
precisely
hiro dixit:
tldr
On 11/6/13, Alexander Huemer alexander.hue...@xx.vu wrote:
[…]
Can we please ban Googlemail from this mailing list?
(Funnily enough, recently I’ve started looking at From
headers more, and, sure enough, Googlemail users are
the biggest average idiots on other mailing lists as
Roberto E. Vargas Caballero dixit:
long, because long is at least 32 bits for sure, but int can be only 16
On POSIX, int is a minimum 32 bit data type.
bye,
//mirabilos
--
„Cool, /usr/share/doc/mksh/examples/uhr.gz ist ja ein Grund,
mksh auf jedem System zu installieren.“
-- XTaran auf
Roberto E. Vargas Caballero dixit:
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 01:03:47PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
Roberto E. Vargas Caballero dixit:
long, because long is at least 32 bits for sure, but int can be only 16
On POSIX, int is a minimum 32 bit data type.
I prefer follow the ISO rules about
Strake dixit:
On 26/11/2013, Silvan Jegen s.je...@gmail.com wrote:
If you you would rather not take this version, what approach would
you take for the character set mapping when using UTF-8?
On Linux, one can easily make a sparse array with 1-page granularity
with mmap, and so simply use a
Silvan Jegen dixit:
If I understand correctly you would use mmap to allocate a sparse
memory area into which we could then directly index (either using
UTF-8 or UTF-32 indices), right? Since mmap needs a file descriptor
I think that wouldn’t help much.
Sadly, I do not follow. I recognize that
Silvan Jegen dixit:
That sounds reasonable but requires that we convert UTF-8 to UTF-32
which should not be strictly necessary when we only map one UTF-8 value
to another.
Arrgh, no. UTF-8 and UTF-32/UCS-4 are encodings of numerical Unicode
codepoints. When working with text documents, you
patrick295767 patrick295767 dixit:
I think about various possible POSIX and non-POSIX platforms, which
allow compiling with gcc or g++:
You missed MirBSD, which incidentally is UTF-8 only (with the known
issue that you need to run “script -lns” or GNU screen on the text
console, but for Unicode
Carlos Torres dixit:
here we go again...
Sure… googlemail user ;)
should they ban people that use fortune in their signatures too?
You’d be amazed to hear that I have a collection of individual
sig files and select one manually when I don’t want to use the
default one, which I rotate
YpN dixit:
I wrote a shell script using mksh, which generates websites. You need to write
Just for completeness: I’ve written MirWebseite as a non-generic
thing to generate static XHTML websites, too, and even got a second
only slightly related installation (which, ofc, by now deviates quite
a
Chris Down dixit:
If masking files with directories is considered clean, then I don't
want to live on this planet any more.
Just don't do it.
Agreed. I don’t put *.htm files into subdirectories at all;
the other MirWebseite setup does it as it’s got some more
hierarchically structured content
Paul Onyschuk dixit:
With mdocml [1] you get nice HTML output for free, because it
Actually, no output at all, since it’s not a full *roff processor,
and I (have to) use a compatibility leader (between ATT nroff,
GNU groff with UCB macros, and GNU groff with GNU macros) which
also implements
(Wondering about the topic, no idea why one would want
to use C++ anyway… but… *shrug*)
Sylvain BERTRAND dixit:
This is valid question on other hand e.g. base OpenBSD is C++ free for
some time AFAIK (after the removal of groff). Idea of minimal set of
Same for MirBSD (removal of GNU groff in
Paul Onyschuk dixit:
(those can be copied from Heirloom or from older version of Groff -
Or my version from ATT nroff, which got bugfixes in the
else-part of GNU groff specifics. I’ve got them in CVS as
src/share/tmac/ (not /usr/lib/ but /usr/share/ as per the
standard modern-BSD filesystem
Bobby Powers dixit:
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Plan 9 C compiler. There seems
Hm, does it support something other than ECOFF output now?
The assembler part is also very foreign…
I’ve also got one more: nwcc (Nils Weller’s C compiler).
bye,
//mirabilos
--
In traditional syntax '
Daniel Bryan dixit:
I'd like to know what the opinion here is of these functions. I've so
Not using them in this time and age is gross negligence.
Using strcpy, strcat and sprintf is even more; using
strncpy is minor negligence, but _strncat_ is positively
dangerous.
So, yes, by all means, use
Strake dixit:
Use wchar.h functions and a sane libc, e.g. musl, which has a pure
UTF-8 C locale, which ISO C explicitly allows [1].
The 8-bit clarity what POSIX wants [1] seems nonsense to me, as one
can use byte functions for that, but I may be wrong.
^^
Not always, see
Silvan Jegen dixit:
Wouldn't a 16-bit wchar_t be non-standard-conform when using a UTF-8
locale?
Nope. UTF-8 is just an encoding for Unicode, and as long as I take
care to #define __STDC_ISO_10646__ 29L (and no later date) this
is perfectly permissible.
(And please do not language-lawyer
Rich Felker dixit:
Wouldn't a 16-bit wchar_t be non-standard-conform when using a UTF-8
locale?
Nope. UTF-8 is just an encoding for Unicode, and as long as I take
care to #define __STDC_ISO_10646__ 29L (and no later date) this
is perfectly permissible.
This is only a possibility for
Alexander Huemer dixit:
What client do you use for newsgroups?
[…]
I totally agree. Most Client applications for NNTP suck. Somebody^{(tm)}
should write a better alternative.
pine rocks, IMHO. My problem is rather that I’ve got no access² to a
working “regular” usenet server any more, only
Lee Fallat dixit:
editor. I think some can guess where I'm coming from...
Message-ID: cakzhxzeegav-7f5+wusvsm7bfzquyvyj81vfd3rexux4ged...@mail.gmail.com
^^
Not hard to guess. Go die. Elsewhere. And quiet.
bye,
Eckehard Berns dixit:
Also, would it be worth it to deal with x86 Linux's ctrl-alt-del? It would
pull in OS specific code, and maybe people don't care for ctrl-alt-del
on the console, since everybody lives in X anyway.
Hm, isn’t Ctrl-Alt-Backspace+Ctrl-Alt-Del (when not using xdm)
or
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