Re: [dev] Suckless UML

2011-05-12 Thread Christophe-Marie Duquesne
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Nicolai Waniek roc...@rochus.net wrote: On 05/10/2011 04:57 PM, Christophe-Marie Duquesne wrote: Good code is supposed to be readable, and should need no UML diagram (and probably very few comments). Though you're right that it should not _need_ a UML

Re: [dev] Suckless UML

2011-05-12 Thread Nicolai Waniek
I am saying if your code needs UML documentation to be understood, then it is not suckless. I fully agree. Also, I tend to dislike auto-generated documentation because the valuable part is very small and hidden among loads of crap. That depends on the tool you (have to) use. As an

Re: [dev] Suckless UML

2011-05-12 Thread Nicolai Waniek
On 05/12/2011 03:51 PM, Nicolai Waniek wrote: I still have to find any sane mathematical notation for parallelism in programming languages though... Of course CSP goes in this direction, but as soon as your language is not based on CSP in any way, you yet again have to document describing the

Re: [dev] Suckless UML

2011-05-12 Thread Pierre Chapuis
On Thu, 12 May 2011 15:57:13 +0200, Nicolai Waniek wrote: On 05/12/2011 03:51 PM, Nicolai Waniek wrote: I still have to find any sane mathematical notation for parallelism in programming languages though... Of course CSP goes in this direction, but as soon as your language is not based on

Re: [dev] Suckless UML

2011-05-12 Thread Uriel
So much retarded crap in this thread, it is hard to know where to start. Fortunately somebody already has done some writing on the topic: http://archive.eiffel.com/doc/manuals/technology/bmarticles/uml/page.html UML makes CORBA and C++ look like sane, productive and useful technologies by

Re: [dev] Suckless UML

2011-05-12 Thread Szabolcs Nagy
* Uriel ur...@berlinblue.org [2011-05-12 19:54:26 +0200]: Fortunately somebody already has done some writing on the topic: http://archive.eiffel.com/doc/manuals/technology/bmarticles/uml/page.html it is also worth noting that even original contributors of uml find it problematic

Re: [dev] Suckless UML

2011-05-11 Thread Nicolai Waniek
On 05/10/2011 04:57 PM, Christophe-Marie Duquesne wrote: Good code is supposed to be readable, and should need no UML diagram (and probably very few comments). Though you're right that it should not _need_ a UML diagram, having one isn't that bad either. This is especially true when you're not

[dev] Suckless UML

2011-05-10 Thread CHABOT Simon
Hi all, Today, an UML lesson have been given in my university. We used the software DIA to build our diagram. I've made some research on Internet for an UML suckless software, but didn't success. Could you give me some suckless softwares name to work with UML ? I was thinking about a

Re: [dev] Suckless UML

2011-05-10 Thread Mate Nagy
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 04:50:01PM +0200, timow+...@diningphilosopher.de wrote: On 2011-05-10, CHABOT Simon wrote: Could you give me some suckless softwares name to work with UML ? honestly i'm surprised by this lack of reaction to UML + suckless in the same sentence. Usually this mailing list

Re: [dev] Suckless UML

2011-05-10 Thread CHABOT Simon
Le mardi 10 mai 2011 à 04:50:01, timow+...@diningphilosopher.de a écrit : The best solutions I could find was UMLGraph (http://www.umlgraph.org/) and MetaUML (http://metauml.sourceforge.net/old/index.html). MetaUML looks great, thanks ! -- CHABOT Simon Université de Technologie de Compiègne

Re: [dev] Suckless UML

2011-05-10 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 10 May 2011 17:01, Mate Nagy mn...@port70.net wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 04:50:01PM +0200, timow+...@diningphilosopher.de wrote: On 2011-05-10, CHABOT Simon wrote:  Could you give me some suckless softwares name to work with UML ? honestly i'm surprised by this lack of reaction to