Re: Moving XP to ESR?

2016-04-21 Thread Jonathan Kew
On 20/4/16 20:14, Ben Hearsum wrote: This would require a new update channel to support, because it would be a unique line of code that isn't "release" or "esr". It couldn't be implemented as a relbranch either, because we'd need CI for it. You're basically proposing a long lived esr-like

Re: Moving XP to ESR?

2016-04-21 Thread Daniel Veditz
On 4/20/16 11:53 AM, Armen Zambrano G. wrote: > Would it make more sense to have a relbranch instead of using ESR? Oh lordy, no! It's hard enough diverting engineering work to supporting a single ESR 9 months after the fork. Why would we do two of them? How would a relbranch differ from ESR? >

Re: Moving XP to ESR?

2016-04-21 Thread Chris H-C
> * Lack of SSE2, though not an XP problem per se, coincides with XP, so we could just require SSE2 if we didn't support XP. We have data about this. Unfortunately we'd also have to kick out some Windows 7 users. For every ten WinXP Firefox users without SSE2 we have a Win7 Firefox user without

Re: Moving XP to ESR?

2016-04-20 Thread Ben Hearsum
This would require a new update channel to support, because it would be a unique line of code that isn't "release" or "esr". It couldn't be implemented as a relbranch either, because we'd need CI for it. You're basically proposing a long lived esr-like branch that we only ship to XP users.

Re: Moving XP to ESR?

2016-04-20 Thread Armen Zambrano G.
Would it make more sense to have a relbranch instead of using ESR? IIRC ESRs are stable for a period but when we uplift we uplift everything new. For this XP relbranch we would only take security patches. It would serve the purpose of keeping our users secure where they're but saving some

Re: Moving XP to ESR?

2016-04-20 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Thomas Zimmermann wrote: > And XP still runs on ~10% of all desktops. That's an opportunity to > convert some of the users to Firefox. This assumes that 1) users who are still on XP still make active browser choices 2) ESR wouldn't be

Re: Moving XP to ESR?

2016-04-20 Thread Chris H-C
> I wonder how much of the marketshare is likely XP SP2. According to the longitudinal dataset, SP2 is roughly 16% of the Windows XP population, with the rest SP3. So, still some millions of users. :chutten On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Mike Conley wrote: > The people

Re: Moving XP to ESR?

2016-04-20 Thread Mike Conley
The people on this thread might find chutten's recent blog post interesting: https://chuttenblog.wordpress.com/2016/04/19/firefoxs-windows-xp-users-upgrade-path/ Juicy chunk: "Between 40% and 53% of Firefox users running Windows XP are Stuck" -Mike On 18/04/2016 9:04 AM, Henri Sivonen wrote: >

Re: Moving XP to ESR?

2016-04-19 Thread Makoto Kato
On 2016/04/20 5:14, Nils Ohlmeier wrote: On Apr 18, 2016, at 09:56, Milan Sreckovic wrote: What’s the “XP tax”? Graphics usually tries to simplify the playing field as much as possible, but I can’t say that XP has been causing any trouble, or that we have been

Re: Moving XP to ESR?

2016-04-19 Thread yuhongbao_386
On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 1:20:56 PM UTC-7, Ted Mielczarek wrote: > On Tue, Apr 19, 2016, at 04:14 PM, Nils Ohlmeier wrote: > > The good news is that dxr does not find anything using IsXPSP3OrLater(). > > But this looks like we have a bit of version specific code in our tree: > >

Re: Moving XP to ESR?

2016-04-19 Thread Kyle Huey
On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Ted Mielczarek wrote: > On Tue, Apr 19, 2016, at 04:14 PM, Nils Ohlmeier wrote: > > The good news is that dxr does not find anything using IsXPSP3OrLater(). > > But this looks like we have a bit of version specific code in our tree: > > >

Re: Moving XP to ESR?

2016-04-19 Thread Ted Mielczarek
On Tue, Apr 19, 2016, at 04:14 PM, Nils Ohlmeier wrote: > The good news is that dxr does not find anything using IsXPSP3OrLater(). > But this looks like we have a bit of version specific code in our tree: > https://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?q=XP_WIN=false=true FYI, the "XP" here

Re: Moving XP to ESR?

2016-04-19 Thread Nils Ohlmeier
> On Apr 18, 2016, at 09:56, Milan Sreckovic wrote: > > What’s the “XP tax”? Graphics usually tries to simplify the playing field as > much as possible, but I can’t say that XP has been causing any trouble, or > that we have been getting too many XP specific problems

Re: Moving XP to ESR?

2016-04-19 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 9:02 PM, Chris Peterson wrote: > OTOH, if an XP users doesn't mind running an unpatched OS, then they > probably won't care/know about running an unpatched Chrome browser. Gmail nags you if you use an outdated Chrome version. I know someone who

Re: Moving XP to ESR?

2016-04-19 Thread Thomas Zimmermann
Hi Am 18.04.2016 um 20:02 schrieb Chris Peterson: > On 4/18/16 6:46 AM, Thomas Zimmermann wrote: >> Am 18.04.2016 um 15:18 schrieb Kyle Huey: >>> > 12% of our users are on Windows XP. >> And XP still runs on ~10% of all desktops. That's an opportunity to >> convert some of the users to Firefox. >

Re: Moving XP to ESR?

2016-04-18 Thread Kartikaya Gupta
On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Chris Peterson wrote: > > OTOH, if an XP users doesn't mind running an unpatched OS, then they > probably won't care/know about running an unpatched Chrome browser. > >From data that Chris H-C posted in some previous thread, we know that

Re: Moving XP to ESR?

2016-04-18 Thread Chris Peterson
On 4/18/16 6:46 AM, Thomas Zimmermann wrote: Am 18.04.2016 um 15:18 schrieb Kyle Huey: > 12% of our users are on Windows XP. And XP still runs on ~10% of all desktops. That's an opportunity to convert some of the users to Firefox. If we want to convert some Chrome XP users, we could run a

Re: Moving XP to ESR?

2016-04-18 Thread Milan Sreckovic
What’s the “XP tax”? Graphics usually tries to simplify the playing field as much as possible, but I can’t say that XP has been causing any trouble, or that we have been getting too many XP specific problems (certainly fewer than Windows 10 :) I don’t see XP going away soon, and as

Re: Moving XP to ESR?

2016-04-18 Thread Steve Fink
On 04/18/2016 07:20 AM, Lawrence Mandel wrote: On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Henri Sivonen wrote: XP has now gone for two years without security patches from Microsoft. Additionally, as of its latest release, Chrome no longer supports XP. When 46 ships, it would be a

Re: Moving XP to ESR?

2016-04-18 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Kyle Huey wrote: > 12% of our users are on Windows XP. That's been getting lower all the time, right? With the current trajectory, what's the expected percentage at the time when the 45 ESR would go out of support (assuming normal ESR cycle

Re: Moving XP to ESR?

2016-04-18 Thread Lawrence Mandel
On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Henri Sivonen wrote: > XP has now gone for two years without security patches from Microsoft. > Additionally, as of its latest release, Chrome no longer supports XP. > > When 46 ships, it would be a great time to make AUS advertise 45 ESR >

Re: Moving XP to ESR?

2016-04-18 Thread Thomas Zimmermann
Am 18.04.2016 um 15:18 schrieb Kyle Huey: > 12% of our users are on Windows XP. And XP still runs on ~10% of all desktops. That's an opportunity to convert some of the users to Firefox. Best regards Thomas > > - Kyle > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 6:04 AM, Henri Sivonen

Re: Moving XP to ESR?

2016-04-18 Thread Kyle Huey
12% of our users are on Windows XP. - Kyle On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 6:04 AM, Henri Sivonen wrote: > XP has now gone for two years without security patches from Microsoft. > Additionally, as of its latest release, Chrome no longer supports XP. > > When 46 ships, it would be