Re: Secure contexts required for new web platform features

2015-07-01 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 7/1/15 2:49 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: Platform. There was no strong opposition to the Intent to deprecate: Insecure HTTP thread and in Whistler everyone attending the deprecating non-secure HTTP session agreed. Do you think this needs to be approached differently? Yes. Because taken at

Re: Secure contexts required for new web platform features

2015-07-01 Thread Anne van Kesteren
I'll leave some of your points/questions for Richard. On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: We add lots of features without such Intent threads all the time. Just FYI. I hope that we can get somewhat better on this. It is rather useful to have a somewhat large

Re: Secure contexts required for new web platform features

2015-07-01 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 7/1/15 4:43 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: I hope that we can get somewhat better on this. It is rather useful to have a somewhat large set of people have insight as to what goes into Platform. Sure. I'm just saying that I suspect people underestimate the number of features we add, the

Re: Secure contexts required for new web platform features

2015-07-01 Thread L. David Baron
On Tuesday 2015-06-30 17:00 -0400, Richard Barnes wrote: Second, when we implement new web platform features, they will be enabled only on secure contexts. Exceptions can be granted, but will need to be justified as part of the Intent to Implement [3] and Intent to Ship process. I think this

Re: Secure contexts required for new web platform features

2015-07-01 Thread Eric Rescorla
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 11:35 AM, L. David Baron dba...@mozilla.com wrote: On Tuesday 2015-06-30 17:00 -0400, Richard Barnes wrote: Second, when we implement new web platform features, they will be enabled only on secure contexts. Exceptions can be granted, but will need to be justified as

Re: Secure contexts required for new web platform features

2015-07-01 Thread Martin Thomson
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: we'd need to decide what https://w3c.github.io/webappsec/specs/powerfulfeatures/#is-origin-trustworthy step 5 should mean in our particular case Colloquially: would you show a lock? Unfortunately, conveying the nuance

Re: Secure contexts required for new web platform features

2015-07-01 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:18 PM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: On 6/30/15 5:00 PM, Richard Barnes wrote: Second, when we implement new web platform features, they will be enabled only on secure contexts. Might I ask who this we is (I don't recall general DOM module owner buy-in on

Secure contexts required for new web platform features

2015-06-30 Thread Richard Barnes
As a next step toward deprecating non-secure HTTP [1], we are making the following two changes to how we develop new web platform features, effective immediately: First, when we work on developing specifications for new web platform features, we will make sure that these specifications require

Re: Secure contexts required for new web platform features

2015-06-30 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 6/30/15 5:00 PM, Richard Barnes wrote: Second, when we implement new web platform features, they will be enabled only on secure contexts. Might I ask who this we is (I don't recall general DOM module owner buy-in on this, but maybe I missed it?) what the definition of new web platform