Re: We should drop MathML

2013-05-06 Thread Robert O'Callahan
Let me go on a bit of a rampage about TeX for a bit. TeX is not a markup format. It is an executable code format. It is a programming language by design! (It's a very poor programming language, but let's ignore that for the moment.) You run a TeX program to generate the rendered output. This has

Re: We should drop MathML

2013-05-06 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 6:14 PM, Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.orgwrote: wrote my thesis which also include a lot of semantics and type theory in FrameMaker, which was actually pretty good but is very dead. Correction: it's alive! Amazing. Rob -- q“qIqfq qyqoquq qlqoqvqeq qtqhqoqsqeq

Re: We should drop MathML

2013-05-06 Thread papalowa
On Monday, 6 May 2013 07:27:41 UTC+2, p.kraut...@gmail.com wrote: Microsoft indeed remains a mystery. Not so much when it comes to Microsoft Office: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/murrays/ ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org

Re: We should drop MathML

2013-05-06 Thread smaug
On 05/06/2013 05:46 AM, Benoit Jacob wrote: Let me just reply to a few points to keep this conversation manageable: 2013/5/5 p.krautzber...@gmail.com Here are a couple of reasons why dropping MathML would be a bad idea. (While I wrote this others made some of the points as well.) * MathML is

Re: We should drop MathML

2013-05-06 Thread Benoit Jacob
Thanks Peter: that point-for-point format makes it easier for me to understand your perspective on the issues that I raised. 2013/5/6 p.krautzber...@gmail.com Benoit, you said you need proof that MathML is better than TeX. I think it's the reverse at this point (from a web perspective --

Re: We should drop MathML

2013-05-06 Thread Benoit Jacob
2013/5/6 Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org Let me go on a bit of a rampage about TeX for a bit. TeX is not a markup format. It is an executable code format. It is a programming language by design! Yes, but a small subset of TeX could be purely a markup format, not a programming

Re: We should drop MathML

2013-05-06 Thread Mike Hommey
On Mon, May 06, 2013 at 07:27:08AM -0400, Benoit Jacob wrote: 2013/5/6 Robert O'Callahan rob...@ocallahan.org We expose HTML and SVG content to Web applications by structuring that content as a tree and then exposing it using standard DOM APIs. These APIs let you examine, manipulate,

Re: We should drop MathML

2013-05-06 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 5/6/13 7:27 AM, Benoit Jacob wrote: I guess I don't see the usefulness of allowing to apply style to individual parts of an equation Styling parts of an equation with different colors can be _extremely_ useful for readability. It's rarely done in print, of course, and I assume there are

Re: We should drop MathML

2013-05-06 Thread Joshua Cranmer 
On 5/6/2013 6:27 AM, Benoit Jacob wrote: I guess I don't see the usefulness of allowing to apply style to individual parts of an equation --- applying a single style to an entire equation would be plenty enough as far as I can see. Suppose you were writing an introductory explanation course,

Re: We should drop MathML

2013-05-06 Thread fred . wang
I don't have time to respond right now, but regarding the accessibility, mathematics is also more complex in that case too. Basically the two use cases are I'm aware of are - For blind people or other visual disabilities, speech synthesizer must follow the MathSpeak rules. Simply reading the

Re: Stylesheet loaded from privileged channel does not trigger content policy for subresources

2013-05-06 Thread Matthew Gertner
On Thursday, May 2, 2013 1:40:37 AM UTC+1, Boris Zbarsky wrote: Yes. Content policy checks are skipped when the loader has system principal. Thanks. Seems like I need to be more selective about when to give the channel the system principal. ___

Re: We should drop MathML

2013-05-06 Thread msclrhd
On Monday, 6 May 2013 14:12:48 UTC+1, Trevor Saunders wrote: On Mon, May 06, 2013 at 08:24:07AM -0400, Boris Zbarsky wrote: I am still waiting for the rebuttal of my arguments, in the original email in this thread, about how TeX is strictly better than MathML for the particular task of

Re: Storage in Gecko

2013-05-06 Thread Jed Davis
On Mon, May 06, 2013 at 09:41:08AM -0700, David Dahl wrote: KyotoCabinet might make a good backend for a new storage API: http://fallabs.com/kyotocabinet/ It's released under the GPL, so it's MPL-incompatible, if I understand correctly. As for the Kyoto Products Specific FOSS Library Linking

Re: We should drop MathML

2013-05-06 Thread Trevor Saunders
On Mon, May 06, 2013 at 11:30:51AM -0700, mscl...@googlemail.com wrote: On Monday, 6 May 2013 14:12:48 UTC+1, Trevor Saunders wrote: On Mon, May 06, 2013 at 08:24:07AM -0400, Boris Zbarsky wrote: I am still waiting for the rebuttal of my arguments, in the original email in this

Re: We should drop MathML

2013-05-06 Thread Joshua Cranmer 
On 5/6/2013 2:12 PM, Benoit Jacob wrote: How many specific domains will want to have their own domain-specific markup language next? Chemistry? Biology? Electronics? Music? Flow charts? Calligraphy? MathML specifies mathematical formulae, which is not domain-specific, and is itself a building

Re: We should drop MathML

2013-05-06 Thread Benoit Jacob
2013/5/6 Joshua Cranmer  pidgeo...@gmail.com On 5/6/2013 2:12 PM, Benoit Jacob wrote: How many specific domains will want to have their own domain-specific markup language next? Chemistry? Biology? Electronics? Music? Flow charts? Calligraphy? MathML specifies mathematical formulae,

Re: Rendering meeting, May 6, 2:30 PM US/Pacific

2013-05-06 Thread Jet Villegas
Friendly Reminder: Gecko Rendering (Layout, GFx, Media) meeting Today, May 6, 2:30 PM US/Pacific --Jet - Original Message - From: Benoit Jacob jacob.benoi...@gmail.com To: dev-platform dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org, dev-plann...@lists.mozilla.org planning dev-plann...@lists.mozilla.org

Re: We should drop MathML

2013-05-06 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Benoit Jacob jacob.benoi...@gmail.comwrote: How many specific domains will want to have their own domain-specific markup language next? Chemistry? Biology? Electronics? Music? Flow charts? Calligraphy? This is a good question to ask, but I think it would help

Re: We should drop MathML

2013-05-06 Thread Robert O'Callahan
Hopefully Web Components will provide a good solution to let authors extend the browser with support for vocabularies that can be rendered via a straightforward decomposition to HTML or MathML or SVG. I think the layout requirements of MathML are too onerous for MathML to be reduced to HTML or

Follow-up: Using an inbound2 branch as a hot spare for mozilla-inbound

2013-05-06 Thread Ryan VanderMeulen
It seems from the previous thread on this topic that there is enough support for the idea to at least proceed with a trial to see how an inbound2 would function in practice. For this reason, RelEng will be configuring the cypress project branch for this purpose and we will begin using it per

Re: We should drop MathML

2013-05-06 Thread Brian Smith
Benoit Jacob wrote: Can we focus on the other conversation now: should the Web have a math-specific markup format at all? I claim it shouldn't; I mostly mentioned TeX as a if we really wanted one side note and let it go out of hand. How many specific domains will want to have their own

Re: smartmake-like functionality has landed in mach

2013-05-06 Thread Josh Matthews
On 05/05/2013 09:07 PM, Felipe Gomes wrote: Is the idea of smartmake to make things also work for non-toplevel folders? For example, if I edit .cpp only in content/base/src, it should be enough to rebuild that and toolkit/library. However, `mach build content/base/src` won't add

Re: smartmake-like functionality has landed in mach

2013-05-06 Thread Nick Alexander
On 13-05-06 9:03 PM, Josh Matthews wrote: On 05/05/2013 09:07 PM, Felipe Gomes wrote: Is the idea of smartmake to make things also work for non-toplevel folders? For example, if I edit .cpp only in content/base/src, it should be enough to rebuild that and toolkit/library. However, `mach build