Re: Dominator tree memory analysis now in Nightly

[Helen Holmes]

There's actually a bug on file 
with designs that I'd like to implement for exposing panels better than
they currently. (If you look at the mockups, not dissimilar to what Nick's
suggesting!)

As for whether or not we should always expose the Memory tool on a clean
install, I think we're hoping to drive the answers to those questions with
better data. I believe Jordan created an etherpad
 that probably
needs some love when it comes to thinking about what telemetry probes we
want to add and who owns what data in devtools. As far as I currently know:
the memory is not on by default in release and it might be in both dev
edition and nightly (Jeff would know for certain as resident Telemetry
King).

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 6:12 PM, Gijs Kruitbosch 
wrote:

> On 14/01/2016 23:01, Nick Fitzgerald wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Jared Wein  wrote:
>
>> Also, what is the plan for making tools like the Memory view appear in a
>> default install? In other words, without having to go to the Settings. I
>> worry that users may not know to click on the Settings and just think that
>> other browsers offer more tools than we do.
>>
>
> ​This is a good conversation to have, but I don't have any good answers.
> We have a lot of panels in the devtools, many of which are fairly niche,
> and it isn't clear how to simultaneously give them visibility and not
> overwhelm users.
>
> Console, debugger, performance: these panels are ​a clear "always show" to
> me. The web audio tool is very niche and so I don't think it would make
> sense to show it by default. The memory tool falls in between in my mind.
> I'm open to suggestions!
>
> We could add a [...] or similar button at the end with a dropdown for the
> other tools? With some TBD as to whether that enables them permanently or
> just for that site and/or how to toggle that.
> (pulling in Helen because I think she might have better ideas :-) )
>
> ~ Gijs
>
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Re: Dominator tree memory analysis now in Nightly

[Helen Holmes]

Apologies everyone, Jared pointed out that I didn't actually link to the
bug correctly: Bug 1238982

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1238982

On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 7:10 AM, Helen Holmes <hhol...@mozilla.com> wrote:

> There's actually a bug on file <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi>
> with designs that I'd like to implement for exposing panels better than
> they currently. (If you look at the mockups, not dissimilar to what Nick's
> suggesting!)
>
> As for whether or not we should always expose the Memory tool on a clean
> install, I think we're hoping to drive the answers to those questions with
> better data. I believe Jordan created an etherpad
> <https://public.etherpad-mozilla.org/p/devtools-telemetry> that probably
> needs some love when it comes to thinking about what telemetry probes we
> want to add and who owns what data in devtools. As far as I currently know:
> the memory is not on by default in release and it might be in both dev
> edition and nightly (Jeff would know for certain as resident Telemetry
> King).
>
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 6:12 PM, Gijs Kruitbosch <gijskruitbo...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> On 14/01/2016 23:01, Nick Fitzgerald wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Jared Wein <j...@mozilla.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Also, what is the plan for making tools like the Memory view appear in a
>>> default install? In other words, without having to go to the Settings. I
>>> worry that users may not know to click on the Settings and just think that
>>> other browsers offer more tools than we do.
>>>
>>
>> ​This is a good conversation to have, but I don't have any good answers.
>> We have a lot of panels in the devtools, many of which are fairly niche,
>> and it isn't clear how to simultaneously give them visibility and not
>> overwhelm users.
>>
>> Console, debugger, performance: these panels are ​a clear "always show"
>> to me. The web audio tool is very niche and so I don't think it would make
>> sense to show it by default. The memory tool falls in between in my mind.
>> I'm open to suggestions!
>>
>> We could add a [...] or similar button at the end with a dropdown for the
>> other tools? With some TBD as to whether that enables them permanently or
>> just for that site and/or how to toggle that.
>> (pulling in Helen because I think she might have better ideas :-) )
>>
>> ~ Gijs
>>
>
>
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