Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Automotive Working Group

2016-11-24 Thread Martin Thomson
I'm not going to respond in detail, but I think that this quote cuts to the nub. On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 10:09 PM, wrote: > [W3C Auto] A number of Automotive Manufacturers and Tier 1 suppliers have > contributed to the ideas in the specification which focusses on exposing > vehicle signals and

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Automotive Working Group

2016-11-24 Thread drkevg
On Monday, October 17, 2016 at 8:33:37 PM UTC+1, David Baron wrote: > The W3C is proposing a new charter for: > > Automotive Working Group > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-new-work/2016Oct/0003.html > https://www.w3.org/2014/automotive/charter-2016.html > > Mozilla has the oppo

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Automotive Working Group

2016-11-04 Thread Eric Rescorla
LGTM On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 5:22 PM, L. David Baron wrote: > OK, here's a reformulation that takes a somewhat stronger position > (mainly by checking the other box, and adding the paragraph at the > end). > > -David > > > [X] opposes this Charter and requests that this group not be > creat

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Automotive Working Group

2016-11-04 Thread L. David Baron
OK, here's a reformulation that takes a somewhat stronger position (mainly by checking the other box, and adding the paragraph at the end). -David [X] opposes this Charter and requests that this group not be created [Formal Objection] (your details below). We're concerned enough about the

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Automotive Working Group

2016-11-04 Thread Eric Rescorla
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 12:09 AM, L. David Baron wrote: > > So, first, it's not clear to me which option to check in the review. > I think the basis of these comments is somewhere between: > > [X] suggests changes to this Charter, and only supports the > proposal if the changes are adopted [

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Automotive Working Group

2016-11-04 Thread L. David Baron
So, first, it's not clear to me which option to check in the review. I think the basis of these comments is somewhere between: [X] suggests changes to this Charter, and only supports the proposal if the changes are adopted [Formal Objection] (your details below). and: [ ] opposes th

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Automotive Working Group

2016-10-21 Thread Tantek Çelik
Ekr, This sounds to me like there are sufficient reasons to formally object to this charter, and as Martin points out, a special case of IoT/WoT (with additional concerns!). David, Thus I too think we should formally object, link to our previous formal objection of the WoT charter (since nearly

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Automotive Working Group

2016-10-18 Thread Eric Rescorla
I share Martin's concerns here... There's fairly extensive evidence of security vulnerabilities in vehicular systems that can lead to serious safety issues (see: http://www.autosec.org/publications.html), so more than usual attention needs to be paid to security in this context. In fairness, a lo

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Automotive Working Group

2016-10-17 Thread Martin Thomson
This seems to be a more specific instance of WoT. As such, the goals are much clearer here. While some of the concerns with the WoT charter apply (security in particular!), here are a few additional observations: Exposing the level of information that they claim to want to expose needs more priv

Proposed W3C Charter: Automotive Working Group

2016-10-17 Thread L. David Baron
The W3C is proposing a new charter for: Automotive Working Group https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-new-work/2016Oct/0003.html https://www.w3.org/2014/automotive/charter-2016.html Mozilla has the opportunity to send comments or objections through Monday, November 7. However, I hop