Re: The Whiteboard Tag Amnesty

[Robert O'Callahan]

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 9:31 PM, Gijs Kruitbosch 
wrote:

> I'm confused. How are keywords not permissionless?


He meant that adding a new keyword requires permission.

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Re: The Whiteboard Tag Amnesty

[Gijs Kruitbosch]

I'm confused. How are keywords not permissionless? I frequently see new 
bugs filed with the first keyword from the sorted list 
("ateam-something-or-other") by people who seem to be intent on "just 
filing a bug in bugzilla", that is otherwise contentless. I must assume 
that these people have no bugzilla permission bits set other than those 
granted new accounts.


~ Gijs

On 08/06/2016 22:08, Patrick McManus wrote:
as you note the whiteboard tags are permissionless. That's their 
killer property. Keywords as you note are not, that's their critical 
weakness.


instead of fixing that situation in the "long term" can we please fix 
that as a precondition of converting things? Mozilla doesn't need more 
centralized systems. If they can't be 100% automated to be 
permissionless (e.g. perhaps because they don't scale) then the new 
arrangement of things is definitely worse.


I'll note that even for triage, our eventual system evolved rapidly 
and putting an administrator in the middle to add and drop keywords 
and indicies would have just slowed stuff down. Permissionless to me 
is a requirement.



On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Kartikaya Gupta > wrote:


What happens after June 24? Is the whiteboard field going to be
removed?

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Emma Humphries > wrote:
> tl;dr -- nominate whiteboard tags you want converted to
keywords. Do it by
> 24 June 2016.
>
> We have a love-hate relationship with the whiteboard field in
bugzilla. On
> one hand, we can add team-specific meta data to a bug. On the
other hand,
> it's not a indexed field or a real tag system, making it hard to
parse,
> search, and update.
>
> But creating keywords is a hassle since you have to request them.
>
> The long term solution is to turn whiteboard into proper tag
system, but
> the Bugzilla Team's offering to help with some bulk conversion of
> whiteboard tags your teams use into keywords.
>
> To participate:
>
> 1. Create a Bug in the bugzilla.mozilla.org::Administration
component for each
> whiteboard tag you want to convert.
>
> 2. The bug's description should have the old keyword, the new
keyword you
> want to replace it with, and the description of this new keyword
which will
> appear in the online help.
>
> 3. Make sure your keyword doesn't conflict with existing
keywords, so be
> prepared to rename it. If your keyword is semantically similar to an
> existing keyword or other existing bugzilla field we'll talk you
about a
> mass change to your bugs.
>
> 4. Make the parent bug,
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1279022,
> depend on your new bug.
>
> 5. CC Emma Humphries on the bug
>
> We will turn your whiteboard tag into a keyword and remove your
old tag
> from the whiteboard tags, so make sure your dashboards and other
tools that
> consume Bugzilla's API are updated to account for this.
>
> Please submit your whiteboard fields to convert by Friday 24
June 2016.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Emma Humphries
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Re: The Whiteboard Tag Amnesty

[Emma Humphries]

The whiteboard field a text blob with no rules, only conventions on
separators (which are not used consistently.) If you misspell a tag,
there's no prompt to correct (unless the browser or os spell checker
recognizes it) and you can get inconsistencies that way.

As for "real tagging system" look, for instance, at Wordpress' tagging
system or Live Journal's before that.

-- Emma

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Jason Duell  wrote:

> Emma,
>
> > it's not a indexed field or a real tag system, making it hard to parse,
> search, and update.
>
> Could we dig into details a little more here?  I assume we could add a
> database index for the whiteboard field if performance is an issue.
> Do we give keywords an enum value or something (so bugzilla can
> index/search them faster)?  I'm not clear on what a "real tag system" means
> concretely here.
>
> thanks!
>
> Jason
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Emma Humphries  wrote:
>
>> There is a ticket for a "proper" tag system,
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1266609 which given time,
>> I'd
>> like to get implemented, but with limited resources, this is what I can do
>> now.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Patrick McManus 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > as you note the whiteboard tags are permissionless. That's their killer
>> > property. Keywords as you note are not, that's their critical weakness.
>> >
>> > instead of fixing that situation in the "long term" can we please fix
>> that
>> > as a precondition of converting things? Mozilla doesn't need more
>> > centralized systems. If they can't be 100% automated to be
>> permissionless
>> > (e.g. perhaps because they don't scale) then the new arrangement of
>> things
>> > is definitely worse.
>> >
>> > I'll note that even for triage, our eventual system evolved rapidly and
>> > putting an administrator in the middle to add and drop keywords and
>> > indicies would have just slowed stuff down. Permissionless to me is a
>> > requirement.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Kartikaya Gupta 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> What happens after June 24? Is the whiteboard field going to be
>> removed?
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Emma Humphries 
>> wrote:
>> >> > tl;dr -- nominate whiteboard tags you want converted to keywords. Do
>> it
>> >> by
>> >> > 24 June 2016.
>> >> >
>> >> > We have a love-hate relationship with the whiteboard field in
>> bugzilla.
>> >> On
>> >> > one hand, we can add team-specific meta data to a bug. On the other
>> >> hand,
>> >> > it's not a indexed field or a real tag system, making it hard to
>> parse,
>> >> > search, and update.
>> >> >
>> >> > But creating keywords is a hassle since you have to request them.
>> >> >
>> >> > The long term solution is to turn whiteboard into proper tag system,
>> but
>> >> > the Bugzilla Team's offering to help with some bulk conversion of
>> >> > whiteboard tags your teams use into keywords.
>> >> >
>> >> > To participate:
>> >> >
>> >> > 1. Create a Bug in the bugzilla.mozilla.org::Administration
>> component
>> >> for each
>> >> > whiteboard tag you want to convert.
>> >> >
>> >> > 2. The bug's description should have the old keyword, the new keyword
>> >> you
>> >> > want to replace it with, and the description of this new keyword
>> which
>> >> will
>> >> > appear in the online help.
>> >> >
>> >> > 3. Make sure your keyword doesn't conflict with existing keywords,
>> so be
>> >> > prepared to rename it. If your keyword is semantically similar to an
>> >> > existing keyword or other existing bugzilla field we'll talk you
>> about a
>> >> > mass change to your bugs.
>> >> >
>> >> > 4. Make the parent bug,
>> >> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1279022,
>> >> > depend on your new bug.
>> >> >
>> >> > 5. CC Emma Humphries on the bug
>> >> >
>> >> > We will turn your whiteboard tag into a keyword and remove your old
>> tag
>> >> > from the whiteboard tags, so make sure your dashboards and other
>> tools
>> >> that
>> >> > consume Bugzilla's API are updated to account for this.
>> >> >
>> >> > Please submit your whiteboard fields to convert by Friday 24 June
>> 2016.
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheers,
>> >> >
>> >> > Emma Humphries
>> >> > ___
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>> >> > dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org
>> >> > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
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>> >
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>
>
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>
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Re: The Whiteboard Tag Amnesty

[Chris Peterson]

On 6/8/16 4:03 PM, Jason Duell wrote:

Could we dig into details a little more here?  I assume we could add a
database index for the whiteboard field if performance is an issue.
Do we give keywords an enum value or something (so bugzilla can
index/search them faster)?  I'm not clear on what a "real tag system" means
concretely here.


Most whiteboard fields are fairly structured, with people using [words 
in brackets] or words-with-dashes to group terms. Indexing by all word 
or just pseudo keywords (using brackets or dashes) seems straightforward.


It would be interesting to see a ranked list of the most popular 
whiteboard words. Those would be good candidates for keywords.

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Re: The Whiteboard Tag Amnesty

[Jason Duell]

Emma,

> it's not a indexed field or a real tag system, making it hard to parse,
search, and update.

Could we dig into details a little more here?  I assume we could add a
database index for the whiteboard field if performance is an issue.
Do we give keywords an enum value or something (so bugzilla can
index/search them faster)?  I'm not clear on what a "real tag system" means
concretely here.

thanks!

Jason

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Emma Humphries  wrote:

> There is a ticket for a "proper" tag system,
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1266609 which given time, I'd
> like to get implemented, but with limited resources, this is what I can do
> now.
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Patrick McManus 
> wrote:
>
> > as you note the whiteboard tags are permissionless. That's their killer
> > property. Keywords as you note are not, that's their critical weakness.
> >
> > instead of fixing that situation in the "long term" can we please fix
> that
> > as a precondition of converting things? Mozilla doesn't need more
> > centralized systems. If they can't be 100% automated to be permissionless
> > (e.g. perhaps because they don't scale) then the new arrangement of
> things
> > is definitely worse.
> >
> > I'll note that even for triage, our eventual system evolved rapidly and
> > putting an administrator in the middle to add and drop keywords and
> > indicies would have just slowed stuff down. Permissionless to me is a
> > requirement.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Kartikaya Gupta 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> What happens after June 24? Is the whiteboard field going to be removed?
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Emma Humphries 
> wrote:
> >> > tl;dr -- nominate whiteboard tags you want converted to keywords. Do
> it
> >> by
> >> > 24 June 2016.
> >> >
> >> > We have a love-hate relationship with the whiteboard field in
> bugzilla.
> >> On
> >> > one hand, we can add team-specific meta data to a bug. On the other
> >> hand,
> >> > it's not a indexed field or a real tag system, making it hard to
> parse,
> >> > search, and update.
> >> >
> >> > But creating keywords is a hassle since you have to request them.
> >> >
> >> > The long term solution is to turn whiteboard into proper tag system,
> but
> >> > the Bugzilla Team's offering to help with some bulk conversion of
> >> > whiteboard tags your teams use into keywords.
> >> >
> >> > To participate:
> >> >
> >> > 1. Create a Bug in the bugzilla.mozilla.org::Administration component
> >> for each
> >> > whiteboard tag you want to convert.
> >> >
> >> > 2. The bug's description should have the old keyword, the new keyword
> >> you
> >> > want to replace it with, and the description of this new keyword which
> >> will
> >> > appear in the online help.
> >> >
> >> > 3. Make sure your keyword doesn't conflict with existing keywords, so
> be
> >> > prepared to rename it. If your keyword is semantically similar to an
> >> > existing keyword or other existing bugzilla field we'll talk you
> about a
> >> > mass change to your bugs.
> >> >
> >> > 4. Make the parent bug,
> >> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1279022,
> >> > depend on your new bug.
> >> >
> >> > 5. CC Emma Humphries on the bug
> >> >
> >> > We will turn your whiteboard tag into a keyword and remove your old
> tag
> >> > from the whiteboard tags, so make sure your dashboards and other tools
> >> that
> >> > consume Bugzilla's API are updated to account for this.
> >> >
> >> > Please submit your whiteboard fields to convert by Friday 24 June
> 2016.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> >
> >> > Emma Humphries
> >> > ___
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Re: The Whiteboard Tag Amnesty

[Emma Humphries]

There is a ticket for a "proper" tag system,
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1266609 which given time, I'd
like to get implemented, but with limited resources, this is what I can do
now.

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Patrick McManus 
wrote:

> as you note the whiteboard tags are permissionless. That's their killer
> property. Keywords as you note are not, that's their critical weakness.
>
> instead of fixing that situation in the "long term" can we please fix that
> as a precondition of converting things? Mozilla doesn't need more
> centralized systems. If they can't be 100% automated to be permissionless
> (e.g. perhaps because they don't scale) then the new arrangement of things
> is definitely worse.
>
> I'll note that even for triage, our eventual system evolved rapidly and
> putting an administrator in the middle to add and drop keywords and
> indicies would have just slowed stuff down. Permissionless to me is a
> requirement.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Kartikaya Gupta 
> wrote:
>
>> What happens after June 24? Is the whiteboard field going to be removed?
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Emma Humphries  wrote:
>> > tl;dr -- nominate whiteboard tags you want converted to keywords. Do it
>> by
>> > 24 June 2016.
>> >
>> > We have a love-hate relationship with the whiteboard field in bugzilla.
>> On
>> > one hand, we can add team-specific meta data to a bug. On the other
>> hand,
>> > it's not a indexed field or a real tag system, making it hard to parse,
>> > search, and update.
>> >
>> > But creating keywords is a hassle since you have to request them.
>> >
>> > The long term solution is to turn whiteboard into proper tag system, but
>> > the Bugzilla Team's offering to help with some bulk conversion of
>> > whiteboard tags your teams use into keywords.
>> >
>> > To participate:
>> >
>> > 1. Create a Bug in the bugzilla.mozilla.org::Administration component
>> for each
>> > whiteboard tag you want to convert.
>> >
>> > 2. The bug's description should have the old keyword, the new keyword
>> you
>> > want to replace it with, and the description of this new keyword which
>> will
>> > appear in the online help.
>> >
>> > 3. Make sure your keyword doesn't conflict with existing keywords, so be
>> > prepared to rename it. If your keyword is semantically similar to an
>> > existing keyword or other existing bugzilla field we'll talk you about a
>> > mass change to your bugs.
>> >
>> > 4. Make the parent bug,
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1279022,
>> > depend on your new bug.
>> >
>> > 5. CC Emma Humphries on the bug
>> >
>> > We will turn your whiteboard tag into a keyword and remove your old tag
>> > from the whiteboard tags, so make sure your dashboards and other tools
>> that
>> > consume Bugzilla's API are updated to account for this.
>> >
>> > Please submit your whiteboard fields to convert by Friday 24 June 2016.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Emma Humphries
>> > ___
>> > dev-platform mailing list
>> > dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org
>> > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
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Re: The Whiteboard Tag Amnesty

[Emma Humphries]

Yes, 'amnesty' is probably too strong a term, and 'cleanup' is probably
better.

-- Emma

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Patrick McManus 
wrote:

> that's useful thanks. I think the word amnesty implied the death penalty
> for existing whiteboard tags.
>
> what it sounds like is you're just offering (for a limited time) to do
> conversions on an opt-in basis? That's great.
>
> -P
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Emma Humphries  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> > On Jun 8, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Kartikaya Gupta  wrote:
>> >
>> > What happens after June 24? Is the whiteboard field going to be removed?
>> >
>>
>> No, the whiteboard field remains, but any tags migrated will be deleted
>> from existing values.
>>
>> If a tag is used across teams, I'll work out a resolution such as both
>> teams using the new keyword, or specific keywords as long as they don't
>> semantically copy other existing fields.
>>
>>
>> >> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Emma Humphries 
>> wrote:
>> >> tl;dr -- nominate whiteboard tags you want converted to keywords. Do
>> it by
>> >> 24 June 2016.
>> >>
>> >> We have a love-hate relationship with the whiteboard field in
>> bugzilla. On
>> >> one hand, we can add team-specific meta data to a bug. On the other
>> hand,
>> >> it's not a indexed field or a real tag system, making it hard to parse,
>> >> search, and update.
>> >>
>> >> But creating keywords is a hassle since you have to request them.
>> >>
>> >> The long term solution is to turn whiteboard into proper tag system,
>> but
>> >> the Bugzilla Team's offering to help with some bulk conversion of
>> >> whiteboard tags your teams use into keywords.
>> >>
>> >> To participate:
>> >>
>> >> 1. Create a Bug in the bugzilla.mozilla.org::Administration component
>> for each
>> >> whiteboard tag you want to convert.
>> >>
>> >> 2. The bug's description should have the old keyword, the new keyword
>> you
>> >> want to replace it with, and the description of this new keyword which
>> will
>> >> appear in the online help.
>> >>
>> >> 3. Make sure your keyword doesn't conflict with existing keywords, so
>> be
>> >> prepared to rename it. If your keyword is semantically similar to an
>> >> existing keyword or other existing bugzilla field we'll talk you about
>> a
>> >> mass change to your bugs.
>> >>
>> >> 4. Make the parent bug,
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1279022,
>> >> depend on your new bug.
>> >>
>> >> 5. CC Emma Humphries on the bug
>> >>
>> >> We will turn your whiteboard tag into a keyword and remove your old tag
>> >> from the whiteboard tags, so make sure your dashboards and other tools
>> that
>> >> consume Bugzilla's API are updated to account for this.
>> >>
>> >> Please submit your whiteboard fields to convert by Friday 24 June 2016.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> Emma Humphries
>> >> ___
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>> >> dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org
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Re: The Whiteboard Tag Amnesty

[Patrick McManus]

that's useful thanks. I think the word amnesty implied the death penalty
for existing whiteboard tags.

what it sounds like is you're just offering (for a limited time) to do
conversions on an opt-in basis? That's great.

-P


On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Emma Humphries  wrote:

>
>
> > On Jun 8, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Kartikaya Gupta  wrote:
> >
> > What happens after June 24? Is the whiteboard field going to be removed?
> >
>
> No, the whiteboard field remains, but any tags migrated will be deleted
> from existing values.
>
> If a tag is used across teams, I'll work out a resolution such as both
> teams using the new keyword, or specific keywords as long as they don't
> semantically copy other existing fields.
>
>
> >> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Emma Humphries 
> wrote:
> >> tl;dr -- nominate whiteboard tags you want converted to keywords. Do it
> by
> >> 24 June 2016.
> >>
> >> We have a love-hate relationship with the whiteboard field in bugzilla.
> On
> >> one hand, we can add team-specific meta data to a bug. On the other
> hand,
> >> it's not a indexed field or a real tag system, making it hard to parse,
> >> search, and update.
> >>
> >> But creating keywords is a hassle since you have to request them.
> >>
> >> The long term solution is to turn whiteboard into proper tag system, but
> >> the Bugzilla Team's offering to help with some bulk conversion of
> >> whiteboard tags your teams use into keywords.
> >>
> >> To participate:
> >>
> >> 1. Create a Bug in the bugzilla.mozilla.org::Administration component
> for each
> >> whiteboard tag you want to convert.
> >>
> >> 2. The bug's description should have the old keyword, the new keyword
> you
> >> want to replace it with, and the description of this new keyword which
> will
> >> appear in the online help.
> >>
> >> 3. Make sure your keyword doesn't conflict with existing keywords, so be
> >> prepared to rename it. If your keyword is semantically similar to an
> >> existing keyword or other existing bugzilla field we'll talk you about a
> >> mass change to your bugs.
> >>
> >> 4. Make the parent bug,
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1279022,
> >> depend on your new bug.
> >>
> >> 5. CC Emma Humphries on the bug
> >>
> >> We will turn your whiteboard tag into a keyword and remove your old tag
> >> from the whiteboard tags, so make sure your dashboards and other tools
> that
> >> consume Bugzilla's API are updated to account for this.
> >>
> >> Please submit your whiteboard fields to convert by Friday 24 June 2016.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Emma Humphries
> >> ___
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Re: The Whiteboard Tag Amnesty

[Emma Humphries]

> On Jun 8, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Kartikaya Gupta  wrote:
> 
> What happens after June 24? Is the whiteboard field going to be removed?
> 

No, the whiteboard field remains, but any tags migrated will be deleted from 
existing values. 

If a tag is used across teams, I'll work out a resolution such as both teams 
using the new keyword, or specific keywords as long as they don't semantically 
copy other existing fields. 


>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Emma Humphries  wrote:
>> tl;dr -- nominate whiteboard tags you want converted to keywords. Do it by
>> 24 June 2016.
>> 
>> We have a love-hate relationship with the whiteboard field in bugzilla. On
>> one hand, we can add team-specific meta data to a bug. On the other hand,
>> it's not a indexed field or a real tag system, making it hard to parse,
>> search, and update.
>> 
>> But creating keywords is a hassle since you have to request them.
>> 
>> The long term solution is to turn whiteboard into proper tag system, but
>> the Bugzilla Team's offering to help with some bulk conversion of
>> whiteboard tags your teams use into keywords.
>> 
>> To participate:
>> 
>> 1. Create a Bug in the bugzilla.mozilla.org::Administration component for 
>> each
>> whiteboard tag you want to convert.
>> 
>> 2. The bug's description should have the old keyword, the new keyword you
>> want to replace it with, and the description of this new keyword which will
>> appear in the online help.
>> 
>> 3. Make sure your keyword doesn't conflict with existing keywords, so be
>> prepared to rename it. If your keyword is semantically similar to an
>> existing keyword or other existing bugzilla field we'll talk you about a
>> mass change to your bugs.
>> 
>> 4. Make the parent bug, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1279022,
>> depend on your new bug.
>> 
>> 5. CC Emma Humphries on the bug
>> 
>> We will turn your whiteboard tag into a keyword and remove your old tag
>> from the whiteboard tags, so make sure your dashboards and other tools that
>> consume Bugzilla's API are updated to account for this.
>> 
>> Please submit your whiteboard fields to convert by Friday 24 June 2016.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Emma Humphries
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Re: The Whiteboard Tag Amnesty

[Patrick McManus]

as you note the whiteboard tags are permissionless. That's their killer
property. Keywords as you note are not, that's their critical weakness.

instead of fixing that situation in the "long term" can we please fix that
as a precondition of converting things? Mozilla doesn't need more
centralized systems. If they can't be 100% automated to be permissionless
(e.g. perhaps because they don't scale) then the new arrangement of things
is definitely worse.

I'll note that even for triage, our eventual system evolved rapidly and
putting an administrator in the middle to add and drop keywords and
indicies would have just slowed stuff down. Permissionless to me is a
requirement.


On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Kartikaya Gupta  wrote:

> What happens after June 24? Is the whiteboard field going to be removed?
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Emma Humphries  wrote:
> > tl;dr -- nominate whiteboard tags you want converted to keywords. Do it
> by
> > 24 June 2016.
> >
> > We have a love-hate relationship with the whiteboard field in bugzilla.
> On
> > one hand, we can add team-specific meta data to a bug. On the other hand,
> > it's not a indexed field or a real tag system, making it hard to parse,
> > search, and update.
> >
> > But creating keywords is a hassle since you have to request them.
> >
> > The long term solution is to turn whiteboard into proper tag system, but
> > the Bugzilla Team's offering to help with some bulk conversion of
> > whiteboard tags your teams use into keywords.
> >
> > To participate:
> >
> > 1. Create a Bug in the bugzilla.mozilla.org::Administration component
> for each
> > whiteboard tag you want to convert.
> >
> > 2. The bug's description should have the old keyword, the new keyword you
> > want to replace it with, and the description of this new keyword which
> will
> > appear in the online help.
> >
> > 3. Make sure your keyword doesn't conflict with existing keywords, so be
> > prepared to rename it. If your keyword is semantically similar to an
> > existing keyword or other existing bugzilla field we'll talk you about a
> > mass change to your bugs.
> >
> > 4. Make the parent bug,
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1279022,
> > depend on your new bug.
> >
> > 5. CC Emma Humphries on the bug
> >
> > We will turn your whiteboard tag into a keyword and remove your old tag
> > from the whiteboard tags, so make sure your dashboards and other tools
> that
> > consume Bugzilla's API are updated to account for this.
> >
> > Please submit your whiteboard fields to convert by Friday 24 June 2016.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Emma Humphries
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Re: The Whiteboard Tag Amnesty

[Kartikaya Gupta]

What happens after June 24? Is the whiteboard field going to be removed?

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Emma Humphries  wrote:
> tl;dr -- nominate whiteboard tags you want converted to keywords. Do it by
> 24 June 2016.
>
> We have a love-hate relationship with the whiteboard field in bugzilla. On
> one hand, we can add team-specific meta data to a bug. On the other hand,
> it's not a indexed field or a real tag system, making it hard to parse,
> search, and update.
>
> But creating keywords is a hassle since you have to request them.
>
> The long term solution is to turn whiteboard into proper tag system, but
> the Bugzilla Team's offering to help with some bulk conversion of
> whiteboard tags your teams use into keywords.
>
> To participate:
>
> 1. Create a Bug in the bugzilla.mozilla.org::Administration component for each
> whiteboard tag you want to convert.
>
> 2. The bug's description should have the old keyword, the new keyword you
> want to replace it with, and the description of this new keyword which will
> appear in the online help.
>
> 3. Make sure your keyword doesn't conflict with existing keywords, so be
> prepared to rename it. If your keyword is semantically similar to an
> existing keyword or other existing bugzilla field we'll talk you about a
> mass change to your bugs.
>
> 4. Make the parent bug, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1279022,
> depend on your new bug.
>
> 5. CC Emma Humphries on the bug
>
> We will turn your whiteboard tag into a keyword and remove your old tag
> from the whiteboard tags, so make sure your dashboards and other tools that
> consume Bugzilla's API are updated to account for this.
>
> Please submit your whiteboard fields to convert by Friday 24 June 2016.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Emma Humphries
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The Whiteboard Tag Amnesty

[Emma Humphries]

tl;dr -- nominate whiteboard tags you want converted to keywords. Do it by
24 June 2016.

We have a love-hate relationship with the whiteboard field in bugzilla. On
one hand, we can add team-specific meta data to a bug. On the other hand,
it's not a indexed field or a real tag system, making it hard to parse,
search, and update.

But creating keywords is a hassle since you have to request them.

The long term solution is to turn whiteboard into proper tag system, but
the Bugzilla Team's offering to help with some bulk conversion of
whiteboard tags your teams use into keywords.

To participate:

1. Create a Bug in the bugzilla.mozilla.org::Administration component for each
whiteboard tag you want to convert.

2. The bug's description should have the old keyword, the new keyword you
want to replace it with, and the description of this new keyword which will
appear in the online help.

3. Make sure your keyword doesn't conflict with existing keywords, so be
prepared to rename it. If your keyword is semantically similar to an
existing keyword or other existing bugzilla field we'll talk you about a
mass change to your bugs.

4. Make the parent bug, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1279022,
depend on your new bug.

5. CC Emma Humphries on the bug

We will turn your whiteboard tag into a keyword and remove your old tag
from the whiteboard tags, so make sure your dashboards and other tools that
consume Bugzilla's API are updated to account for this.

Please submit your whiteboard fields to convert by Friday 24 June 2016.

Cheers,

Emma Humphries
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