Re: how long are we continuing 32-bit OS X support?

2013-10-23 Thread Armen Zambrano G.
Releng note: if we stop it, we could also get much better test capacity on tbpl as we could re-purpose our 10.6 test infrastructure. cheers, Armen On 2013-10-21 1:14 PM, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: Note that we also use this to support 32-bit plugins, so our target audience is not just 10.6 users.

Re: how long are we continuing 32-bit OS X support?

2013-10-22 Thread Gavin Sharp
We removed the feature that allows users to easily restart in 32-bit mode in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=850925 (Firefox 22). Gavin On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:27 AM, Philip Chee philip.c...@gmail.com wrote: On 22/10/2013 01:14, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: Note that we also use this to

Re: how long are we continuing 32-bit OS X support?

2013-10-22 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Ehsan Akhgari ehsan.akhg...@gmail.com wrote: Note that we also use this to support 32-bit plugins, For reference, even though Flash and Java are 64-bit on Mac, notable 32-bit plug-ins include: * Silverlight (DRM for Netflix) * Widevine Media Optimizer (DRM for

Re: how long are we continuing 32-bit OS X support?

2013-10-22 Thread Hubert Figuière
On 22/10/13 07:54 AM, Henri Sivonen wrote: so our target audience is not just 10.6 users. s/10.6/first Intel Mac Mini and first MacBook/, right? 10.6 on 64-bit CPUs runs 64-bit apps even when the kernel runs as 32-bit. Yes. That's the case. Hub

Re: how long are we continuing 32-bit OS X support?

2013-10-22 Thread Georg Fritzsche
On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:27 AM, Mike Hommey m...@glandium.org wrote: If there are and we still need to support them despite dropping 10.6 (which I'm not advocating, but i understand it'd be an option), I wonder if it would be possible, and how much work it would be, to make the plugin-container

Re: how long are we continuing 32-bit OS X support?

2013-10-22 Thread Mike Hommey
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:00:13PM -0400, Hubert Figuière wrote: On 21/10/13 07:27 PM, Mike Hommey wrote: AFAIK, running 10.7+ in 32-bit mode is something you have to do manually at boot time. I guess nobody does that except for testing purpose. Also, afaik 10.7+ doesn't support 32-bit-only

how long are we continuing 32-bit OS X support?

2013-10-21 Thread Nathan Froyd
[Not sure if this is strictly dev-platform material; dev-planning might have been more appropriate in some respects.] Our Firefox builds for OS X currently build a 32-bit version, a 64-bit version, and then squash those together to produce a universal binary that runs on 32-bit or 64-bit

Re: how long are we continuing 32-bit OS X support?

2013-10-21 Thread Gijs Kruitbosch
On 21/10/13 17:24 , Nathan Froyd wrote: [Not sure if this is strictly dev-platform material; dev-planning might have been more appropriate in some respects.] Our Firefox builds for OS X currently build a 32-bit version, a 64-bit version, and then squash those together to produce a universal

Re: how long are we continuing 32-bit OS X support?

2013-10-21 Thread Ehsan Akhgari
Note that we also use this to support 32-bit plugins, so our target audience is not just 10.6 users. Cheers, Ehsan On 2013-10-21 11:24 AM, Nathan Froyd wrote: [Not sure if this is strictly dev-platform material; dev-planning might have been more appropriate in some respects.] Our Firefox

Re: how long are we continuing 32-bit OS X support?

2013-10-21 Thread Mike Hommey
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 08:24:15AM -0700, Nathan Froyd wrote: How long do we intend to continue shipping a 32-bit Firefox binary on OS X? As I understand it, we're doing this solely for our OS X 10.6 users, as they are the only ones potentially running OS X on non-64-bit capable machines.

Re: how long are we continuing 32-bit OS X support?

2013-10-21 Thread Chris Peterson
On 10/21/13 3:28 PM, Mike Hommey wrote: Note OS X 10.6 runs in 32-bit mode*by default*, even on *64-bit capable* hardware. That's the whole problem. There are only a few Macbook models that aren't 64-bit capable. There are much more OSX installs that run in 32-bit mode. But the boat anchor is

Re: how long are we continuing 32-bit OS X support?

2013-10-21 Thread Mike Hommey
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 04:07:33PM -0700, Chris Peterson wrote: On 10/21/13 3:28 PM, Mike Hommey wrote: Note OS X 10.6 runs in 32-bit mode*by default*, even on *64-bit capable* hardware. That's the whole problem. There are only a few Macbook models that aren't 64-bit capable. There are much

Re: how long are we continuing 32-bit OS X support?

2013-10-21 Thread Hubert Figuière
On 21/10/13 07:07 PM, Chris Peterson wrote: On 10/21/13 3:28 PM, Mike Hommey wrote: Note OS X 10.6 runs in 32-bit mode*by default*, even on *64-bit capable* hardware. That's the whole problem. There are only a few Macbook models that aren't 64-bit capable. There are much more OSX installs

Re: how long are we continuing 32-bit OS X support?

2013-10-21 Thread Hubert Figuière
On 21/10/13 07:27 PM, Mike Hommey wrote: AFAIK, running 10.7+ in 32-bit mode is something you have to do manually at boot time. I guess nobody does that except for testing purpose. Also, afaik 10.7+ doesn't support 32-bit-only mac hardware. You are confusing the kernel vs the userland. If the

Re: how long are we continuing 32-bit OS X support?

2013-10-21 Thread Philip Chee
On 22/10/2013 01:14, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: Note that we also use this to support 32-bit plugins, so our target audience is not just 10.6 users. I thought we recently removed 32-bit plugin support on OS X. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com