RE: Arabtec Holding public key? [Weird Digicert issued cert]

2019-04-15 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
- From: dev-security-policy On Behalf Of Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 4:58 AM To: mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: Arabtec Holding public key? [Weird Digicert issued cert] Thanks for the explanation. Is it possible

Re: Arabtec Holding public key? [Weird Digicert issued cert]

2019-04-15 Thread Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy
According to Jeremy (see below), that was not the situation. On 15/04/2019 14:09, Man Ho wrote: I don't think that it's trivial for less-skilled user to obtain the CSR of "DigiCert Global Root G2" certificate and posting it in the request of another certificate, right? On 15-Apr-19 6:57 PM,

Re: Arabtec Holding public key? [Weird Digicert issued cert]

2019-04-15 Thread Man Ho via dev-security-policy
gt; On Behalf Of Wayne >> Thayer via dev-security-policy >> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 10:39 AM >> To: Jakob Bohm >> Cc: mozilla-dev-security-policy >> >> Subject: Re: Arabtec Holding public key? [Weird Digicert issued cert] >> >> It's not clear

Re: Arabtec Holding public key? [Weird Digicert issued cert]

2019-04-15 Thread Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy
-policy Subject: Re: Arabtec Holding public key? [Weird Digicert issued cert] It's not clear that there is anything for DigiCert to respond to. Are we asserting that the existence of this Arabtec certificate is proof that DigiCert violated section 3.2.1 of their CPS? - Wayne On Thu, Apr 11, 2019

Re: Arabtec Holding public key? [Weird Digicert issued cert]

2019-04-13 Thread Nick Lamb via dev-security-policy
On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 16:56:23 + Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy wrote: > I don't mind filling in details. > > We have a system that permits creation of certificates without a CSR > that works by extracting the key from an existing cert, validating > the domain/org information, and

RE: Arabtec Holding public key? [Weird Digicert issued cert]

2019-04-12 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
riday, April 12, 2019 10:56 AM To: Wayne Thayer mailto:wtha...@mozilla.com> >; Jakob Bohm mailto:jb-mozi...@wisemo.com> > Cc: mozilla-dev-security-policy mailto:mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org> > Subject: RE: Arabtec Holding public key? [Weird Digicert issu

Re: Arabtec Holding public key? [Weird Digicert issued cert]

2019-04-12 Thread Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy
v-security-policy < > mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org> > Subject: RE: Arabtec Holding public key? [Weird Digicert issued cert] > > I don't mind filling in details. > > We have a system that permits creation of certificates without a CSR that > works by

RE: Arabtec Holding public key? [Weird Digicert issued cert]

2019-04-12 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
To: Wayne Thayer ; Jakob Bohm Cc: mozilla-dev-security-policy Subject: RE: Arabtec Holding public key? [Weird Digicert issued cert] I don't mind filling in details. We have a system that permits creation of certificates without a CSR that works by extracting the key from an existing cert

RE: Arabtec Holding public key? [Weird Digicert issued cert]

2019-04-12 Thread Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy
so far). -Original Message- From: dev-security-policy On Behalf Of Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 10:39 AM To: Jakob Bohm Cc: mozilla-dev-security-policy Subject: Re: Arabtec Holding public key? [Weird Digicert issued cert] It's not clear

Re: Arabtec Holding public key? [Weird Digicert issued cert]

2019-04-12 Thread Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy
It's not clear that there is anything for DigiCert to respond to. Are we asserting that the existence of this Arabtec certificate is proof that DigiCert violated section 3.2.1 of their CPS? - Wayne On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 6:57 PM Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy <

Re: Arabtec Holding public key? [Weird Digicert issued cert]

2019-04-11 Thread Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy
On 11/04/2019 04:47, Santhan Raj wrote: On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 5:53:45 PM UTC-7, Corey Bonnell wrote: On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 7:41:33 PM UTC-4, Nick Lamb wrote: (Resending after I typo'd the ML address) At the risk of further embarrassing myself in the same week, while

Re: Arabtec Holding public key?

2019-04-11 Thread Ryan Hurst via dev-security-policy
True, we don't know their intentions but we can at least assume they would need private keys to use said certificates with any properly implemented user agent. Ryan Hurst (personal capacity) On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 6:12 PM Peter Gutmann wrote: > admin--- via dev-security-policy > writes: > >

Re: Arabtec Holding public key?

2019-04-11 Thread Peter Gutmann via dev-security-policy
admin--- via dev-security-policy writes: >The risk here, of course, is low in that having a certificate you do not >control a key for doesn't give you the ability to do anything. As far as we know. Presumably someone has an interesting (mis)use for it otherwise they wouldn't have bothered

Re: Arabtec Holding public key?

2019-04-11 Thread admin--- via dev-security-policy
Unfortunately, the BRs make no stipulation on how Proof of Possession is done (https://github.com/cabforum/documents/blob/master/docs/BR.md#321-method-to-prove-possession-of-private-key). Most CAs, in my experience, simply treat the signature on the CSR as sufficient to demonstrate control of a

Re: Arabtec Holding public key?

2019-04-11 Thread Mirro via dev-security-policy
在 2019年4月11日星期四 UTC+8上午7:41:33,Nick Lamb写道: > (Resending after I typo'd the ML address) > > At the risk of further embarrassing myself in the same week, while > working further on mimicking Firefox trust decisions I found this > pre-certificate for Arabtec Holding PJSC: > >

Re: Arabtec Holding public key?

2019-04-10 Thread Santhan Raj via dev-security-policy
On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 5:53:45 PM UTC-7, Corey Bonnell wrote: > On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 7:41:33 PM UTC-4, Nick Lamb wrote: > > (Resending after I typo'd the ML address) > > > > At the risk of further embarrassing myself in the same week, while > > working further on mimicking

Arabtec Holding public key?

2019-04-10 Thread Nick Lamb via dev-security-policy
(Resending after I typo'd the ML address) At the risk of further embarrassing myself in the same week, while working further on mimicking Firefox trust decisions I found this pre-certificate for Arabtec Holding PJSC: https://crt.sh/?id=926433948 Now there's nothing especially strange about this