Re: Blog: Why Does Mozilla Maintain Our Own Root Certificate Store?

2019-02-18 Thread Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy
On 19/02/2019 04:04, Ryan Sleevi wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 4:59 PM Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy <
> dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 14/02/2019 23:31, Wayne Thayer wrote:
>>> This may be of interest:
>>>
>>>
>> https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2019/02/14/why-does-mozilla-maintain-our-own-root-certificate-store/
>>>
>>
>> Nice write up.
>>
>> Two points only briefly covered:
>>
>> - Because many open source OS distributions use the Mozilla root store,
>>replacing the Mozilla root store by relying on the OS root store would
>>cut off its own feet.
>>
>> - Some participants in the community actively refuse to support use of
>>the Mozilla root store in other open source initiatives.
>>
> 
> It’s not productive or helpful to continue engaging like this.

I was merely suggesting that whatever view Thayer (not you) has on 
these two points was missing from the blog post.  Nothing more, 
nothing less.

The first point is yet another reason why Mozilla provides it's own 
root store rather than relying on the OS one (the main theme of 
Thayer's blog post).

The second point is something closely related that has no rationale 
in the FAQ, only a description of the situation.  The blog post 
actually mentions that those downstreams exist, so it would be 
relevant to mention any policy on this.

And I would highly appreciate if you stopped with your incessant 
bullying and trolling (and not just of me), which has been going on 
for years now.



Enjoy

Jakob
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Re: Blog: Why Does Mozilla Maintain Our Own Root Certificate Store?

2019-02-18 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 4:59 PM Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy <
dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote:

> On 14/02/2019 23:31, Wayne Thayer wrote:
> > This may be of interest:
> >
> >
> https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2019/02/14/why-does-mozilla-maintain-our-own-root-certificate-store/
> >
>
> Nice write up.
>
> Two points only briefly covered:
>
> - Because many open source OS distributions use the Mozilla root store,
>   replacing the Mozilla root store by relying on the OS root store would
>   cut off its own feet.
>
> - Some participants in the community actively refuse to support use of
>   the Mozilla root store in other open source initiatives.
>

It’s not productive or helpful to continue engaging like this.

https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA/FAQ has captured module peers and owners views
on this, after feedback from the community, also linked from the FAQ. I
understand you’re dissatisfied with this decision, but it’s extremely poor
form to continue making these little asides, and unclear what you hope to
accomplish, if anything.

https://blog.jessfraz.com/post/the-art-of-closing/ is an excellent post to
help understand why “no” is far more healthy for a project than “yes”. The
joy of open source is that, if you disagree with that direction, you’re
free to go your own way and do your own thing. Indeed, in many ways, it can
be more healthy for open-source projects that if folks don’t feel their
contributions are being accepted for them to go their own way and create
their own communities, rather than engaging with negativity.

However, continually sniping at members of the community, attempting to
relitigate past decisions, or “casually” bringing them up disparagingly are
all profoundly unenjoyable behaviors, and thus worth avoiding.
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Re: Blog: Why Does Mozilla Maintain Our Own Root Certificate Store?

2019-02-18 Thread Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy

On 14/02/2019 23:31, Wayne Thayer wrote:

This may be of interest:

https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2019/02/14/why-does-mozilla-maintain-our-own-root-certificate-store/



Nice write up.

Two points only briefly covered:

- Because many open source OS distributions use the Mozilla root store,
 replacing the Mozilla root store by relying on the OS root store would
 cut off its own feet.

- Some participants in the community actively refuse to support use of
 the Mozilla root store in other open source initiatives.


Enjoy

Jakob
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Blog: Why Does Mozilla Maintain Our Own Root Certificate Store?

2019-02-14 Thread Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy
This may be of interest:

https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2019/02/14/why-does-mozilla-maintain-our-own-root-certificate-store/

- Wayne
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