Re: Policy 2.7 Proposal: Forbid Delegation of Email Validation for S/MIME Certificates

2019-05-15 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 1:18 PM Ryan Hurst via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > > > I think this bears expansion because I don't think it's been clearly > > documented what flow you believe is currently permitted today that will > be > > prevented tomorrow

Re: Policy 2.7 Proposal: Forbid Delegation of Email Validation for S/MIME Certificates

2019-05-15 Thread Ryan Hurst via dev-security-policy
> I must admit, I'm confused. Based on your concerns as I understand them, > either the scenario you're describing is already prohibited today (and thus > no change from existing policy), or its already permitted today and would > continue to be permitted with this change. I'm hoping you can

Re: Policy 2.7 Proposal: Forbid Delegation of Email Validation for S/MIME Certificates

2019-05-15 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 11:52 AM Ryan Hurst via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > I believe the case where Google requests a certificate from the CA is > accommodated but not the case where SAAS requests a certificate from the CA > based on the authentication

Re: Policy 2.7 Proposal: Forbid Delegation of Email Validation for S/MIME Certificates

2019-05-15 Thread Ryan Hurst via dev-security-policy
On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 10:36:00 AM UTC-7, Ryan Sleevi wrote: > On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 1:18 PM Ryan Hurst via dev-security-policy < \> > Specifically where Wayne suggested: > > "CAs MUST NOT delegate validation of the domain name part of an email > > address to a 3rd party." > > > > Are you

Re: Policy 2.7 Proposal: Forbid Delegation of Email Validation for S/MIME Certificates

2019-05-15 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 9:28 AM Ryan Hurst via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > Pedro, > > That scenario is addressed by Wayne proposed change. > > That same change does not allow for applications that use GMail or there > federated authentication providers to

Re: Policy 2.7 Proposal: Forbid Delegation of Email Validation for S/MIME Certificates

2019-05-15 Thread Ryan Hurst via dev-security-policy
> I think this bears expansion because I don't think it's been clearly > documented what flow you believe is currently permitted today that will be > prevented tomorrow with this change. To be clear, In that statement was referring to that scenario being allowed under the proposed change

Re: DarkMatter Concerns

2019-05-15 Thread Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy
Thank you for sharing this information Scott. On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 2:49 AM Scott Rea wrote: > > Please advise if additional information relating to this change is > required. > > As pointed out in earlier discussions about DarkMatter's QuoVadis-signed intermediates [1], and the policy 2.7

Re: Policy 2.7 Proposal: Forbid Delegation of Email Validation for S/MIME Certificates

2019-05-15 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 2:10 PM Ryan Hurst via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > > Thanks. I think this is desirable to forbid, as it is insecure, and I > > believe it's already forbidden, because the process of step (4) is > relying > > on GMAIL to act as a

Re: Policy 2.7 Proposal: Forbid Delegation of Email Validation for S/MIME Certificates

2019-05-15 Thread Pedro Fuentes via dev-security-policy
I have the feeling that this going to something over-complicated... Let's think in a simple case, which is, I think, the most common scenario where there's some delegation: 1. A company needs MPKI service for its employees, who use email addresses in one or more domains owned by the company 2.

Re: DarkMatter Concerns

2019-05-15 Thread Scott Rea via dev-security-policy
G’day Folks, As previously discussed on this thread, the DarkMatter Trust Services practice (including DarkMatter CAs) has been operated in a separate entity to the DM Group, that entity is Digital Trust – Sole Proprietorship L.L.C. (“DigitalTrust”) which was established in the United Arab

Re: Policy 2.7 Proposal: Forbid Delegation of Email Validation for S/MIME Certificates

2019-05-15 Thread Ryan Hurst via dev-security-policy
Pedro, That scenario is addressed by Wayne proposed change. That same change does not allow for applications that use GMail or there federated authentication providers to use client certificates without sending each user to the CA. Ryan ___