Re: MITM in the wild

2008-11-07 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 11/07/2008 05:18 AM, Kyle Hamilton: So, essentially, what you're saying is that it was a targeted attack against a user, instead of an attack targeted against a server? What is an attack targeted against a server in the context of browsers and MITMs? -- Regards Signer: Eddy Nigg,

Re: MITM in the wild

2008-11-07 Thread Bernie Sumption
If we create an error display that says No kidding, this absolutely is an attack and we're stopping you cold to protect you from it. it seems unavoidable that users will learn to treat the absence of such an unbypassable error display as proof to the contrary, proof that the site is genuine

Re: PKCS#11 versions supported by Firefox/NSS

2008-11-07 Thread Wan-Teh Chang
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Martin Paljak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Anyone knows the implemented PKCS#11 versions in NSS versions used in Firefox 2.x and 3.x? Is it PKCS#11 v2.11 or 2.20 ? It is PKCS #11 v2.20. Wan-Teh ___ dev-tech-crypto

Re: MITM in the wild

2008-11-07 Thread Ian G
Eddy Nigg wrote: On 11/07/2008 05:18 AM, Kyle Hamilton: So, essentially, what you're saying is that it was a targeted attack against a user, instead of an attack targeted against a server? What is an attack targeted against a server in the context of browsers and MITMs? Possibly, it is

Re: MITM in the wild

2008-11-07 Thread Iang
Bernie Sumption wrote: Graham, Nelson, Eddy, you all make good points. I'll take your word for it that it's impossible to detect MITM attacks with 100% reliability, as I said I'm not a security expert. How about an MITM detection service that gives no false positives, but might give false

Re: MITM in the wild

2008-11-07 Thread Ian G
Bernie Sumption wrote: If we create an error display that says No kidding, this absolutely is an attack and we're stopping you cold to protect you from it. it seems unavoidable that users will learn to treat the absence of such an unbypassable error display as proof to the contrary, proof that

Re: MITM in the wild

2008-11-07 Thread Robert Relyea
Bernie Sumption wrote: If we create an error display that says No kidding, this absolutely is an attack and we're stopping you cold to protect you from it. it seems unavoidable that users will learn to treat the absence of such an unbypassable error display as proof to the contrary, proof that

Re: MITM in the wild

2008-11-07 Thread Nelson B Bolyard
Iang wrote, On 2008-11-07 08:22: Bernie Sumption wrote: How about an MITM detection service that gives no false positives, but might give false negatives? If you positively identify an MITM attack, you can present users with a much more definite UI saying this *is* an MITM attack and giving

Re: MITM in the wild

2008-11-07 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 11/07/2008 11:21 PM, Nelson B Bolyard: I will add that, while MITMs have historically been very rare, they are on the upswing. I see two broad areas where MITM attacks are on the increase, and they're both directed at the user, not the server. One must recognize the fact that MITM attacks