Re: Quorum requirements for approval of CAs?

2009-02-11 Thread Ian G
On 11/2/09 01:59, Eddy Nigg wrote: It's perhaps an opportunity for me to explain why I'm here and why I think others - specially representatives and employees of CAs - should too. OK, invitation accepted! I'm here to get a couple of fixes spliced into the Mozilla DNA: 1. add a

Re: Quorum requirements for approval of CAs?

2009-02-11 Thread Ian G
On 11/2/09 02:19, Kyle Hamilton wrote: That's a very good question. The most important part of the answer to it would have to be: don't discount what they say. Right. However, I have a suggested strategy for reviewers: don't limit your review to only those trust bits that are initially

Re: Quorum requirements for approval of CAs?

2009-02-10 Thread Ian G
On 10/2/09 02:23, Nelson B Bolyard wrote: I'd post this in the policy working group, if that was operational ... :( I also don't like this discussion about waiting for some perfect A-list of tech. We've got the NNTP thing, we've got the ordinary mail, what are we waiting on now?

Re: Quorum requirements for approval of CAs?

2009-02-10 Thread Ben Bucksch
On 10.02.2009 02:23, Nelson B Bolyard wrote: I'd post this in the policy working group, if that was operational ... :( Inf790af94-3997-43b6-a5aa-a4d79119c...@s1g2000prg.googlegroups.com our esteemed Kathleen Wilsonkathleen95...@yahoo.com wrote: According to

Re: Quorum requirements for approval of CAs?

2009-02-10 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 02/10/2009 02:30 PM, Ben Bucksch: Are you fearing that you are on holiday during that time and can't have your voice? We should recommend that people which have reviewed the CAs in question say so after the comments period. Otherwise we don't know that somebody at least took a look. For

Re: Quorum requirements for approval of CAs?

2009-02-10 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 02/10/2009 02:15 PM, Ian G: I also don't like this discussion about waiting for some perfect A-list of tech. We've got the NNTP thing, we've got the ordinary mail, what are we waiting on now? google-phone? twitter? Even though I don't care about google groups either (and google can fetch

Re: Quorum requirements for approval of CAs?

2009-02-10 Thread Ian G
On 10/2/09 14:16, Eddy Nigg wrote: On 02/10/2009 02:15 PM, Ian G: I think -- personal likely biased opinion only -- you might get more value by looking inside the foundation and asking them to expand the resources available on the CA desk. Their job is to be independent, and so far, that's

Re: Quorum requirements for approval of CAs?

2009-02-10 Thread Frank Hecker
Nelson B Bolyard wrote: While I do not wish in any way to question or reduce the value of Kathleen's evaluation, I wonder if it is right for us to allow CA applications to be approved in the absence of any real public discussion. As Ben pointed out, there was opportunity for public discussion,

Re: Quorum requirements for approval of CAs?

2009-02-10 Thread Frank Hecker
Ian G wrote: I think -- personal likely biased opinion only -- you might get more value by looking inside the foundation and asking them to expand the resources available on the CA desk. Right now between Kathleen, myself, and Johnathan Nightingale (e.g., his CAB Forum activities) we have

Re: Quorum requirements for approval of CAs?

2009-02-10 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 02/10/2009 09:42 PM, Frank Hecker: And in any case, I don't see people being as much concerned about having more Mozilla-employed people involved, but as getting more community feedback. And I don't have any good answers there because it depends on having more people willing to volunteer

Re: Quorum requirements for approval of CAs?

2009-02-10 Thread Ian G
On 10/2/09 23:02, Eddy Nigg wrote: On 02/10/2009 09:42 PM, Frank Hecker: And in any case, I don't see people being as much concerned about having more Mozilla-employed people involved, but as getting more community feedback. And I don't have any good answers there because it depends on having

Re: Quorum requirements for approval of CAs?

2009-02-10 Thread Kyle Hamilton
That's a very good question. The most important part of the answer to it would have to be: don't discount what they say. However, I have a suggested strategy for reviewers: don't limit your review to only those trust bits that are initially requested. This way, if there is an amendment to the

Re: Quorum requirements for approval of CAs?

2009-02-10 Thread Frank Hecker
Kyle Hamilton wrote: I'm asking this because I think a template which includes a statement of requirements would be an exceedingly good thing for people undertaking reviews for Mozilla CA program inclusion -- and would open up the process to people who have less interior working knowledge of a

Quorum requirements for approval of CAs?

2009-02-09 Thread Nelson B Bolyard
I'd post this in the policy working group, if that was operational ... :( In f790af94-3997-43b6-a5aa-a4d79119c...@s1g2000prg.googlegroups.com our esteemed Kathleen Wilson kathleen95...@yahoo.com wrote: According to https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA:How_to_apply “If there are no open issues or action

Re: Quorum requirements for approval of CAs?

2009-02-09 Thread Kyle Hamilton
Thank you for bringing this up, Nelson. I would hope that your observation (as a much larger figure in the Mozilla organization than I or Eddy or much of anyone else) and worry will carry more weight than the people outside the inner circle. -Kyle H On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Nelson B

Re: Quorum requirements for approval of CAs?

2009-02-09 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 02/10/2009 03:23 AM, Nelson B Bolyard: While I do not wish in any way to question or reduce the value of Kathleen's evaluation, I wonder if it is right for us to allow CA applications to be approved in the absence of any real public discussion. In the complete absence of any discussion,