Re: TLS-client-cert-auth in .SE

2008-08-29 Thread Anders Rundgren
Collective answer to Jean-Marc and Michael. Green messaging :-) Before going too deep into this you should be aware of the fact that Microsoft's recently introduced Information Card scheme also when using a local X.509 certificate to authenticate to the IdP does not specify TLS-client-cert-auth

Re: TLS-client-cert-auth in .SE

2008-08-29 Thread Kyle Hamilton
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:59 PM, Anders Rundgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collective answer to Jean-Marc and Michael. Green messaging :-) Before going too deep into this you should be aware of the fact that Microsoft's recently introduced Information Card scheme also when using a local

Re: TLS-client-cert-auth in .SE

2008-08-29 Thread Michael Ströder
Anders Rundgren wrote: it matches poorly with web sessions including logout Why should it match application sessions? Because the web application developers are too dumb to get the session handling right for themselves? Because the logout does not behave like they are used with passwords?

Re: TLS-client-cert-auth in .SE

2008-08-29 Thread Anders Rundgren
, 2008 16:54 Subject: Re: TLS-client-cert-auth in .SE Anders Rundgren wrote: it matches poorly with web sessions including logout Why should it match application sessions? Because the web application developers are too dumb to get the session handling right for themselves? Because the logout

Re: TLS-client-cert-auth in .SE

2008-08-29 Thread Michael Ströder
Anders Rundgren wrote: Michael Ströder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote I fail to see how this could be improved by new shiny XML-based protocol but cannot be improved with the existing protocols (like TLS). Because the people that works with new shiny XML-based security protocols are often more

Re: TLS-client-cert-auth in .SE

2008-08-29 Thread Anders Rundgren
This is probably due to the fact that these efforts are not based on what the US government needs but what the Internet community needs. I fail to see who exactly the Internet community is. Maybe that's the reason I don't understand the problem. I don't claim to be the definer of this term so

Re: TLS-client-cert-auth in .SE

2008-08-28 Thread Jean-Marc Desperrier
Anders Rundgren wrote: Today I was in a meeting with Swedish bank-people. They told me that they are planning exodus from TLS-client-cert-auth because it (in their opinion) works really bad. The banks will replace TLS-client-cert-auth with a proprietary auth client that is very similar to

Re: TLS-client-cert-auth in .SE

2008-08-28 Thread Michael Ströder
Anders Rundgren wrote: Today I was in a meeting with Swedish bank-people. They told me that they are planning exodus from TLS-client-cert-auth because it (in their opinion) works really bad. Well, most times I don't count bank-people as IT security experts. So what's the problem with

Re: TLS-client-cert-auth in .SE

2008-08-28 Thread Michael Ströder
Jean-Marc Desperrier wrote: - it matches poorly with web sessions including logout - the GUI look like c--p - it offers no branding capability I think the problem is almost exactly the same as the one that has caused form/cookie based authentication to replace Basic Authentication. Not

Re: TLS-client-cert-auth in .SE

2008-08-28 Thread Michael Ströder
Michael Ströder wrote: Anders Rundgren wrote: Today I was in a meeting with Swedish bank-people. They told me that they are planning exodus from TLS-client-cert-auth because it (in their opinion) works really bad. Well, most times I don't count bank-people as IT security experts.