Re: subroots (was WISeKey)

2008-11-19 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 11/19/2008 03:56 AM, Ian G: Yes, and at a technical level I don't see an issue. At a legal/liabilities level I see an open question: who is taking on the liability, how is it shared, etc. ...and I might add, how are the basic requirements of the Mozilla CA Policy governed... I also

Re: subroots (was WISeKey)

2008-11-18 Thread Ian G
Eddy Nigg wrote: On 11/15/2008 06:29 PM, Ian G: I agree it is an issue that we should try and clarify, if not nail down. Sounds good! One way to short-circuit this is to simply state that the root CA is responsible for any/all subroots. This is the situation we had until recently, with

Re: subroots (was WISeKey)

2008-11-18 Thread Frank Hecker
Ian G wrote: IMHO, the policy has served remarkably well, and of course issues will arise with more experience. I wouldn't go so far as to say the policy has served remarkably well. However I think it has served as a useful document in terms of providing a context for our discussions, has

Re: subroots (was WISeKey)

2008-11-18 Thread Frank Hecker
Eddy Nigg wrote: On 11/15/2008 06:29 PM, Ian G: smip Either way we look at it, I feel that the more controls are put in place, the more we end up putting in paper fixes and the more we complicate things for a gain that we don't fully understand. I don't perceive it as such at all. What do we

Re: subroots (was WISeKey)

2008-11-18 Thread Frank Hecker
Ian G wrote: Eddy Nigg wrote: snip Right. It was suggested to require a yearly audit or by other frequency. Related to this point: I don't know if anyone's noticed this, but WebTrust seems to be getting clogged in terms of getting new audit reports out and published. I periodically do a

Re: subroots (was WISeKey)

2008-11-18 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 11/18/2008 08:40 PM, Frank Hecker: This is by way of saying that even if we required annual audit reports, it's not clear to me that CAs could produce them. Microsoft made it a requirement and you might ask them how it goes. But there are many CAs supported by MS, apparently they are

Re: subroots (was WISeKey)

2008-11-18 Thread Ian G
Frank Hecker wrote: Ian G wrote: One way to short-circuit this is to simply state that the root CA is responsible for any/all subroots. So this would imply that the root CA's policies and audit drill down through the subroots, and they apply. Then, it would be up to the root auditor to

subroots (was WISeKey)

2008-11-17 Thread Ian G
Frank Hecker wrote: We've had some lengthy discussions about the issue of auditing subordinate CAs. I'm not going to rehash all those discussions, I'll just summarize my current thinking: First, the general issue of auditing subordinate CAs was something we didn't think through much when we

Re: subroots (was WISeKey)

2008-11-17 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 11/15/2008 06:29 PM, Ian G: I agree it is an issue that we should try and clarify, if not nail down. Sounds good! One way to short-circuit this is to simply state that the root CA is responsible for any/all subroots. This is the situation we had until recently, with CAs under their own