Re: Entrust CA, Staat der Netherlanden CA, Proposal

2008-05-07 Thread Frank Hecker
Michael Ströder wrote: This whole issue cannot be resolved on this mailing list. Very likely Entrust takes $$$ from the sub-CAs. So they are in charge of clarifying this with their sub-CAs. If I'd be a representative of the Mozilla foundation I'd write them an e-mail with some critical

Re: Entrust CA, Staat der Netherlanden CA, Proposal

2008-05-04 Thread Frank Hecker
Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) wrote: Frank Hecker: snip Eddy, I think it would be unwise (to put it mildly) to make a major change like disabling Entrust's email trust bit in a rush. We have no idea at this point what the impact of a change like that would be. And in any case the change is

Re: Entrust CA, Staat der Netherlanden CA, Proposal

2008-05-04 Thread Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)
Frank Hecker: So let me make my own views clear on two points that you made on we ma have some opposing views: OK First, with respect to the impact of turning off the Entrust email trust bit, my concern is as follows: There may Entrust-controlled subordinates under the Entrust root that

Re: Entrust CA, Staat der Netherlanden CA, Proposal

2008-05-03 Thread Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)
I tried to find out about requirements in the Entrust CPS (http://www.entrust.net/CPS/pdf/webcps051404.pdf) however couldn't find any regulation concerning cross-signing. Maybe this is covered in a different document of theirs. However I also couldn't find any regulation concerning S/MIME and

Re: Entrust CA, Staat der Netherlanden CA, Proposal

2008-05-03 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 10:48 AM -0400 5/2/08, Frank Hecker wrote: On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In comment https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=431621#c5 the representative of DigiNotar (Kick) notes that their CA root has been cross-signed by

Re: Entrust CA, Staat der Netherlanden CA, Proposal

2008-05-03 Thread Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)
Paul Hoffman: There is also a policy question of whether or not Entrust's CPS says what cross-signing means in a way that both we and the auditors can understand. On its face (without having read the documents), I think it sounds pretty shaky to have a CA saying you can trust that other CA to

Entrust CA, Staat der Netherlanden CA, Proposal

2008-05-02 Thread Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)
The inclusion of DigiNotar is raising more issues, which I think is very good for us. In comment https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=431621#c5 the representative of DigiNotar (Kick) notes that their CA root has been cross-signed by Entrust. Now this effectively circumvented our

Re: Entrust CA, Staat der Netherlanden CA, Proposal

2008-05-02 Thread Frank Hecker
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In comment https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=431621#c5 the representative of DigiNotar (Kick) notes that their CA root has been cross-signed by Entrust. Now this effectively circumvented our policy in

Re: Entrust CA, Staat der Netherlanden CA, Proposal

2008-05-02 Thread Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)
Frank Hecker: DigiNotar is not alone in having a root cross-signed by Entrust; No, of course not. However in this specific case we have facts which require additional actions (such as reviewing the situation, evaluation thereof and eventual consequences). this was apparently fairly