Re: S/MIME in Thunderbird

2010-03-06 Thread Nelson B Bolyard
On 2010-03-05 15:58 PST, Wan-Teh Chang wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 4:05 AM, Jean-Marc Desperrier jmd...@gmail.com wrote: TLS depends on the cipher-suites, and fortunately it's not hard-coded. Unfortunately, the first cipher suites using SHA256 are the one defined in TLS1.2 (RFC5246), and I

Re: S/MIME in Thunderbird

2010-03-05 Thread Wan-Teh Chang
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 4:05 AM, Jean-Marc Desperrier jmd...@gmail.com wrote: TLS depends on the cipher-suites, and fortunately it's not hard-coded. Unfortunately, the first cipher suites using SHA256 are the one defined in TLS1.2 (RFC5246), and I believe the support for this RFC is still not

Re: S/MIME in Thunderbird

2010-03-03 Thread Jean-Marc Desperrier
Gregory BELLIER wrote: Ok, so it's still sha1 by default for S/Mime ? Is it also sha1 by default for TLS ? TLS depends on the cipher-suites, and fortunately it's not hard-coded. Unfortunately, the first cipher suites using SHA256 are the one defined in TLS1.2 (RFC5246), and I believe the

Re: S/MIME in Thunderbird

2010-03-01 Thread Gregory BELLIER
Konstantin Andreev a écrit : On Wen, 03 Jun 2009, Nelson B Bolyard wrote: Finally, I will add that (IINM) Thunderbird 3 has support for AES. I don't know about the SHA1 vs SHA2 issue. No, it hasn't, TB hardcodes SHA1. No variations: ( begin cite ) nsresult

Re: S/MIME in Thunderbird

2009-12-27 Thread Nelson B Bolyard
On 2009-12-25 08:28 PST, Konstantin Andreev wrote: On Wen, 03 Jun 2009, Nelson B Bolyard wrote: Finally, I will add that (IINM) Thunderbird 3 has support for AES. I don't know about the SHA1 vs SHA2 issue. No, it hasn't, TB hardcodes SHA1. No variations: ( begin cite )

Re[2]: S/MIME in Thunderbird

2009-12-25 Thread Konstantin Andreev
On Wen, 03 Jun 2009, Nelson B Bolyard wrote: Finally, I will add that (IINM) Thunderbird 3 has support for AES. I don't know about the SHA1 vs SHA2 issue. No, it hasn't, TB hardcodes SHA1. No variations: ( begin cite ) nsresult nsMsgComposeSecure::MimeInitMultipartSigned() {

Re: S/MIME in Thunderbird

2009-07-10 Thread Jean-Marc Desperrier
Michael Ströder wrote: - add a time-stamp and update the S/MIME capabilities and timestamp whenever a new S/MIME message is received. - use the cert extension solely when no signed S/MIME message was received so far or the notBefore date of the e-mail cert is newer than the timestamp of the last

Re: S/MIME in Thunderbird (and why its assumptions are bogus)

2009-07-10 Thread aerowolf
2009/6/26 Michael Ströder mich...@stroeder.com: Nelson B Bolyard wrote: But only a small minority of mail users use MUAs that reside on their own computers today.  Webmail rules, That might be true in the U.S. It's not true here in Germany. and entrusting your private key to your free

Re: S/MIME in Thunderbird

2009-07-08 Thread Michael Ströder
Nelson Bolyard wrote: I wrote: If Microsoft has merely taken a DER-encoded object from another standard and has incorporated it into a cert extension, that seems fine to me. I hope they did it in such a way that existing BER/DER parsers of the sMIMECapabilities attribute can just parse the

Re: S/MIME in Thunderbird

2009-07-08 Thread Michael Ströder
Jean-Marc Desperrier wrote: Nelson B Bolyard wrote: Does this assume LDAP for acquiring the certificate without a signed S/MIME message? (So it is only relevant in corporate setting?) No. There are many ways to get a cert for an email correspondent. There is only one way to get that

Re: S/MIME in Thunderbird

2009-07-04 Thread Nelson Bolyard
I wrote: If Microsoft has merely taken a DER-encoded object from another standard and has incorporated it into a cert extension, that seems fine to me. I hope they did it in such a way that existing BER/DER parsers of the sMIMECapabilities attribute can just parse the extension body directly.

Re: S/MIME in Thunderbird

2009-07-02 Thread Jean-Marc Desperrier
Nelson B Bolyard wrote: If Microsoft has merely taken a DER-encoded object from another standard and has incorporated it into a cert extension, that seems fine to me. I hope they did it in such a way that existing BER/DER parsers of the sMIMECapabilities attribute can just parse the extension

Re: S/MIME in Thunderbird

2009-06-30 Thread Jean-Marc Desperrier
Nelson B Bolyard wrote: Does this assume LDAP for acquiring the certificate without a signed S/MIME message? (So it is only relevant in corporate setting?) No. There are many ways to get a cert for an email correspondent. There is only one way to get that correspondent's email

Re: S/MIME in Thunderbird

2009-06-30 Thread Nelson B Bolyard
On 2009-06-30 07:39 PDT, Jean-Marc Desperrier wrote: Nelson B Bolyard wrote: Does this assume LDAP for acquiring the certificate without a signed S/MIME message? (So it is only relevant in corporate setting?) No. There are many ways to get a cert for an email correspondent. There is only

Google's Wave Was: S/MIME in Thunderbird

2009-06-28 Thread Anders Rundgren
Ian G wrote: Google's Wave will hopefully be the finale for S/MIME. Hmmm, tell me more. It does look interesting! How is it secured? I read some blurbs and things but I'm hoping someone knows the answers. I must confess that I don't have detailed knowledge about Wave but it appears to be

Re: S/MIME in Thunderbird

2009-06-27 Thread Ian G
On 26/6/09 23:51, Anders Rundgren wrote: Google's Wave will hopefully be the finale for S/MIME. Hmmm, tell me more. It does look interesting! How is it secured? I read some blurbs and things but I'm hoping someone knows the answers. iang -- dev-tech-crypto mailing list

Re: S/MIME in Thunderbird

2009-06-26 Thread Michael Ströder
Anders Rundgren wrote: Gervase Markham wrote: The biggest impediment to secure email today is the existence and popularity of webmail. In Mozilla terms, the biggest impediment to Thunderbird today is Firefox. It seems that people are happy to make the trade-off of privacy against

Re: S/MIME in Thunderbird

2009-06-26 Thread Michael Ströder
Nelson B Bolyard wrote: But only a small minority of mail users use MUAs that reside on their own computers today. Webmail rules, That might be true in the U.S. It's not true here in Germany. and entrusting your private key to your free webmail provider makes no sense at all. Yupp. Ciao,

Re: S/MIME in Thunderbird

2009-06-26 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 06/26/2009 09:18 PM, Michael Ströder: Nelson B Bolyard wrote: But only a small minority of mail users use MUAs that reside on their own computers today. Webmail rules, That might be true in the U.S. It's not true here in Germany. Webmail doesn't rule...otherwise somebody

Re: S/MIME in Thunderbird

2009-06-26 Thread Anders Rundgren
Eddy Nigg wrote: On 06/26/2009 09:18 PM, Michael Ströder: But only a small minority of mail users use MUAs that reside on their own computers today. Webmail rules, That might be true in the U.S. It's not true here in Germany. Webmail doesn't rule...otherwise somebody explain to me from what

Re: S/MIME in Thunderbird

2009-06-25 Thread Gervase Markham
On 24/06/09 23:49, Nelson B Bolyard wrote: S/MIME's protection of message authenticity, integrity and confidentiality are unbroken and unsurpassed. It is implemented in most Windows, Mac and Linux email MUA's today. But only a small minority of mail users use MUAs that reside on their own

Re: S/MIME in Thunderbird

2009-06-25 Thread Anders Rundgren
Gervase Markham wrote: The biggest impediment to secure email today is the existence and popularity of webmail. In Mozilla terms, the biggest impediment to Thunderbird today is Firefox. It seems that people are happy to make the trade-off of privacy against convenience here. I suspect it's

Re: S/MIME in Thunderbird

2009-06-25 Thread aerowolf
I really hate the licensing on that add-on, by the way -- it flies in the face of what freedom is, and they call it the doubly-free license by removing the freedom associated with the GPL? -Kyle H On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Gervase Markhamg...@mozilla.org wrote: On 24/06/09 23:49,

Re: S/MIME in Thunderbird

2009-06-24 Thread Nelson B Bolyard
On 2009-06-21 03:24 PDT, Ian G wrote: On 19/6/09 15:36, Jean-Marc Desperrier wrote: Nelson B Bolyard wrote: if you send an encrypted message to someone from whom you have never received a signed S/MIME message, you will use weak encryption. Does this assume LDAP for acquiring the

Re: S/MIME in Thunderbird

2009-06-21 Thread Ian G
On 19/6/09 15:36, Jean-Marc Desperrier wrote: Nelson B Bolyard wrote: if you send an encrypted message to someone from whom you have never received a signed S/MIME message, you will use weak encryption. Does this assume LDAP for acquiring the certificate without a signed S/MIME message?

Re: S/MIME in Thunderbird

2009-06-21 Thread Michael Ströder
Ian G wrote: On 19/6/09 15:36, Jean-Marc Desperrier wrote: Nelson B Bolyard wrote: if you send an encrypted message to someone from whom you have never received a signed S/MIME message, you will use weak encryption. Does this assume LDAP for acquiring the certificate without a signed

Re: S/MIME in Thunderbird

2009-06-19 Thread Jean-Marc Desperrier
Nelson B Bolyard wrote: if you send an encrypted message to someone from whom you have never received a signed S/MIME message, you will use weak encryption. Thank you for this useful description. I feel it would make sense to open a bug to change this default. Rational : If someone went the

Re: S/MIME in Thunderbird

2009-06-19 Thread Georgi Guninski
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 03:36:08PM +0200, Jean-Marc Desperrier wrote: Nelson B Bolyard wrote: if you send an encrypted message to someone from whom you have never received a signed S/MIME message, you will use weak encryption. huh, is this an official statement? if this is true this means

Re: S/MIME in Thunderbird

2009-06-19 Thread Kyle Hamilton
No, it just means that Thunderbird needs to catch up with the times and implement a newer version of the specifications, one that was written after the US's draconian ITAR rules were changed. -Kyle H On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 6:48 AM, Georgi Guninskigunin...@guninski.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 19,

Re: S/MIME in Thunderbird

2009-06-03 Thread Nelson B Bolyard
2's S/MIME conforms to an old version of the specifications, RFC 2630 and RFC 2633, written in 1999, which was before the export control regulations were changed. As specified there, when you send a signed S/MIME message, it contains a record of your SMIME capabilities, the algorithms and key sizes

S/MIME in Thunderbird

2009-06-01 Thread Andrew Manore
I'm not able to see what encryption algorithms Thunderbird 2.0.x is using. From what I've been able to tell (through downloading the encrypted message into Microsoft Outlook), Thunderbird is using 3DES encryption with SHA-1 hashes. I'm wondering if there's any way to change the encryption to