Re: Web signing?

2008-11-20 Thread Anders Rundgren
Thanks Nelson for explaining this. I also understand your worries regarding what to sign and I would be very dishonest if I said I have "solved" it. In fact, my design doesn't even address this issue (!) except that if of course builds on the assumption that at least the "viewer" works as expecte

Re: NSS DB migration problem

2008-11-20 Thread Wolfgang Rosenauer
Hi, Hans Petter Jansson schrieb: >>> This database only fails to migrate if the target database was not >>> already created by another, successful merge, though. > >> I think you're saying that the failures only occur if the "target" (cert9) >> DB doesn't already exist when your program is run, b

Re: Web signing?

2008-11-20 Thread Graham Leggett
Anders Rundgren wrote: I also understand your worries regarding what to sign and I would be very dishonest if I said I have "solved" it. In fact, my design doesn't even address this issue (!) except that if of course builds on the assumption that at least the "viewer" works as expected. Now, w

Re: Web signing?

2008-11-20 Thread Ian G
Nelson Bolyard wrote: Eddy Nigg wrote: On 11/19/2008 05:52 PM, Anders Rundgren: In the meantime, wouldn't it be of some value if Mozilla tried to satisfy a PKI- related activity that in number of users, already is much bigger than S/MIME, i.e. the concept of "Web Signing"? What is this suppose

Re: Web signing?

2008-11-20 Thread Michael Ströder
Anders Rundgren wrote: I also understand your worries regarding what to sign and I would be very dishonest if I said I have "solved" it. In fact, my design doesn't even address this issue (!) except that if of course builds on the assumption that at least the "viewer" works as expected. But i

Re: Web signing?

2008-11-20 Thread Michael Ströder
Nelson Bolyard wrote: Eddy Nigg wrote: On 11/19/2008 05:52 PM, Anders Rundgren: In the meantime, wouldn't it be of some value if Mozilla tried to satisfy a PKI- related activity that in number of users, already is much bigger than S/MIME, i.e. the concept of "Web Signing"? What is this suppose

Re: Web signing?

2008-11-20 Thread Michael Ströder
Ian G wrote: Nelson Bolyard wrote: Eddy Nigg wrote: On 11/19/2008 05:52 PM, Anders Rundgren: In the meantime, wouldn't it be of some value if Mozilla tried to satisfy a PKI- related activity that in number of users, already is much bigger than S/MIME, i.e. the concept of "Web Signing"? What i

Re: Web signing?

2008-11-20 Thread Graham Leggett
Ian G wrote: Um. So these tools organise a signature from a client cert over the text in the form text box, and then post the signature up to the server? The crypto.signtext() function is given a text string, and the browser UI pops up a dialog box that invites the user to read the text, and

Re: Web signing?

2008-11-20 Thread Ian G
Responding to two at once! Graham Leggett wrote: Anders Rundgren wrote: I also understand your worries regarding what to sign and I would be very dishonest if I said I have "solved" it. In fact, my design doesn't even address this issue (!) except that if of course builds on the assumption th

Re: Web signing?

2008-11-20 Thread Graham Leggett
Ian G wrote: OK, that's interesting but equally worrying that the business people were asking that question, above all others. If so, this would suggest to me that your business people had spent too long in the fluffy "do what lawyers say" world, and had forgotten they had a business to run?

Re: WISeKey root inclusion request (re-start public discussion)

2008-11-20 Thread kb
On Nov 19, 2:27 am, Eddy Nigg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/19/2008 01:59 AM, kgb: > > Hi Kevin, > > > WISeKey has made some changes to its practices, since the last public > > discussion period. > > I'm glad to hear that! Can you point to what specifically has been > changed since then? >

Re: WISeKey root inclusion request (re-start public discussion)

2008-11-20 Thread kb
Hi Eddy, On Nov 19, 3:14 am, Eddy Nigg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Frank: > > TheWisekeycase could be where we might draw the line. Provided that > > - there is a *good compelling reason* for using sub-ordinate > certificates in first place, limited to the domains under the control of > the owner

Re: Web signing?

2008-11-20 Thread Ian G
Graham Leggett wrote: Ian G wrote: Um. So these tools organise a signature from a client cert over the text in the form text box, and then post the signature up to the server? The crypto.signtext() function is given a text string, and the browser UI pops up a dialog box that invites the use

Re: Web signing?

2008-11-20 Thread Michael Ströder
Ian G wrote: This requires a client-certificate HTTPS connection to the webserver to make it happen? No, this can happen over an insecure http connection. The connection between the browser and server has nothing to do with the crypto.signtext() function. Typically, you would probably want

Slamming Web signing

2008-11-20 Thread Anders Rundgren
Have you looked into this paper? http://webpki.org/papers/wasp/wasp-faq.html Unfortunately I believe there are too many uncoordinated views on this matter to return a fruitful discussion but let me tell you how it works in Sweden: In Sweden all the banks supply proprietary signature clients tha

Re: WISeKey root inclusion request (re-start public discussion)

2008-11-20 Thread Frank Hecker
Eddy Nigg wrote: The Wisekey case could be where we might draw the line. I'm not sure exactly which message (of mine or someone else's) you're responding to. In any case I don't think there's a "bright line" between the various scenarios involving independently-operated subordinate CAs. How

Re: Web signing?

2008-11-20 Thread Nelson B Bolyard
Ian G wrote, On 2008-11-20 07:53: > Graham Leggett wrote: >> Having designed a system that includes "web signing" using >> crypto.signtext() for an insurance company to handle claim approvals, I >> can tell you that the primary question of the business people who used >> the system was "just wha

Re: WISeKey root inclusion request (re-start public discussion)

2008-11-20 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 11/20/2008 10:21 PM, Frank Hecker: Eddy Nigg wrote: The Wisekey case could be where we might draw the line. I'm not sure exactly which message (of mine or someone else's) you're responding to. I refereed to the general discussion about sub roots. In any case I don't think there's a "br

Re: WISeKey root inclusion request (re-start public discussion)

2008-11-20 Thread Eddy Nigg
On 11/20/2008 06:34 PM, kb: Probably the most important change in stated practice, is that it is reflected that every CA is audited at least once annually. This is the case for all active CAs. Kevin, thanks for clarifying this. It indeed was one of the concerns raised last time. The com

Re: Web signing?

2008-11-20 Thread Nelson B Bolyard
Ian G wrote, On 2008-11-20 06:04 PST: > Nelson Bolyard wrote: > Um. So these tools organise a signature from a client cert over the > text in the form text box, and then post the signature up to the server? Well, I can only speak for what Mozilla browsers do. They generate a "document" that co

Re: Web signing?

2008-11-20 Thread Ian G
Hi Nelson, welcome to this fun debate :) Nelson B Bolyard wrote: Ian G wrote, On 2008-11-20 07:53: Graham Leggett wrote: Having designed a system that includes "web signing" using crypto.signtext() for an insurance company to handle claim approvals, I can tell you that the primary question o

Trouble importing test root certificate

2008-11-20 Thread DanKegel
Hi folks. I'm having some trouble using CERT_ImportCerts. A minimal demo of the problem is at http://kegel.com/cert-import-demo.cc All this does is take a base 64 cert, decode it, and import it. I have verified with the sequence $ mkdir ~/.netscape $ certutil -N $ certutil -A -n foo -t "p,p,p"

Re: Trouble importing test root certificate

2008-11-20 Thread DanKegel
On Nov 20, 4:23 pm, DanKegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > First problem: > Decoding fails because NSSBase64_DecodeBuffer appears > to barf on the trailing ---END CERTIFICATE---. > Am I using this function properly?  It seems to have > code to skip trailing garbage, but evidently it's > too fragile

Re: NSS DB migration problem

2008-11-20 Thread Robert Relyea
Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote: Hi, Hans Petter Jansson schrieb: This database only fails to migrate if the target database was not already created by another, successful merge, though. I think you're saying that the failures only occur if the "target" (cert9) DB doesn't already exist wh

Re: Web signing?

2008-11-20 Thread Graham Leggett
Ian G wrote: That wasn't my question. Here's my question again: How do you show any person afterwards that the person signed it? I mean: how does Alice look tomorrow in this system to see what she signed? Next year? How does Bob look next year to see what Alice signed? How does Trent, s

Re: Trouble importing test root certificate

2008-11-20 Thread Nelson B Bolyard
DanKegel wrote, On 2008-11-20 16:23: > Hi folks. I'm having some trouble using CERT_ImportCerts. > A minimal demo of the problem is at >http://kegel.com/cert-import-demo.cc > First problem: > Decoding fails because NSSBase64_DecodeBuffer appears > to barf on the trailing ---END CERTIFICATE---

Re: Trouble importing test root certificate

2008-11-20 Thread DanKegel
On Nov 20, 6:14 pm, Nelson B Bolyard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When I change the sample program so that cert_text no longer contains > the -BEGIN and -END lines, and so that the value assigned to > len no longer includes the trailing NUL character, then when I run > the program, it outpu

Re: how to decrypt with pubkey without pkcs1 padding things

2008-11-20 Thread NZzi
Robert Relyea wrote: Ken wrote: 2008/11/15 Robert Relyea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: NZzi wrote: Robert Relyea wrote: NZzi wrote: hi all: I want to use private key to encrypt a message, and decrypt with public key. Are you encrypting data or a symmetric Key? Most of