Re: [dev-biblio] Request for comments on GUI architectural design

2005-02-23 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Hi Martha, Nice job! Let me just address your listed questions for now: What types of item metadata and content can be stored in a BibDB? Pretty much anything I suppose. I think the initial focus ought to be bibliographic entries and annotations related to them. What are the types of

[dev-biblio] Re: [users-biblio] Re: [dev-biblio] Request for comments on GUI architectural design

2005-02-23 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Feb 23, 2005, at 4:21 PM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: BTW, the above structure could lead to some interesting possiblities around syndicating bibliographic data. For those that may not know anything about Atom or syndicating: You know RSS? You subscribe to weblogs and news sites and such, and new

Re: [dev-biblio] Formula's in titles ?

2005-02-23 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Feb 24, 2005, at 12:32 AM, David Wilson wrote: We would actually like to be able to use all the text formating options, bold, italic, underlining, super and subscripts, as well as formulas. I'd like to just add something an aside that I'll continue to harp on to the OOo community: We need

[dev-biblio] Re: [users-biblio] Initial comments on OOoBib UI Architectural Design 2.0

2005-02-24 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Feb 24, 2005, at 5:15 AM, Van-Couvering,EJ (pgr) wrote: First, I take it from the design docs that we propose, in phase one, to only allow access to OoBib from within OoWriter.  I would like to urge that we rethink that decision and somehow allow the database GUI to be opened standalone.  I

[dev-biblio] Re: [users-biblio] Comments clarifications for dev users list msgs

2005-02-25 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Feb 25, 2005, at 9:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any chance we can somehow consolidate the GUI discussion in a single list? Perhaps, but in the meantime, the easiest solution is to do a reply-all. We should try to maintain attribution in the quotes, though (because sometimes hard to

[dev-biblio] Fwd: [unalog-general] dumb implementations of smart metadata

2005-02-25 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Hmm ... Begin forwarded message: From: Daniel Chudnov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: February 25, 2005 5:56:01 PM EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [unalog-general] dumb implementations of smart metadata It might seem like unalog development has ground to a halt... in a way, it has, with o significant

[dev-biblio] grouping

2005-02-28 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Feb 28, 2005, at 2:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce wrote: I see what you mean now. There are two separate issues here: 1) reference grouping Another example to the above is that I often see articles where you have a few different subdivisions in the reference list: for example,

Re: [dev-biblio] New developer

2005-03-02 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
James Howison wrote: In addition to people wanting to change the style of the document we should consider people wanting to extract references from the document. Yes, we all want this. So I'd love to see a format that carries all the information of the citations by default, even if it doesn't

[dev-biblio] 2.0 beta and xforms

2005-03-06 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Since my platform is officially unsupported (um, Sun, how about getting a clue on Mac support?), I've not had a chance to try it, but a public beta was released last week for v2 of the suite. It includes xforms support. Anyone played with it? Bruce

Re: [dev-biblio] 2.0 beta and xforms

2005-03-06 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Mar 6, 2005, at 9:37 AM, Matthias Basler wrote: Not yet, but now that you mention the 2.0beta ... I've been testing the latest versions and checkung Issuezilla. From what I have seen so far(!) I am not really glad with OOo2.0 yet - and I am not the only one. See f.e. the article and the

Re: [dev-biblio] 2.0 beta and xforms

2005-03-06 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Mar 6, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Matthias Basler wrote: I'd be intersted to know why you think that, particularly, Python is so important for OOo's future success. Not Python per se, but dynamic languages widely used in the free software world. Python is the most obvious example. Gotta make it

[dev-biblio] math in bib metadata

2005-03-10 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
FYI, an excerpt of a conversation with David Carlisle; an expert in XML and XSLT (and unicode, actually), as well as a person with a math background (he's been involved with MathML): For many titles, even mathematical titles, unicode plain text is sufficient, you have greek and all the

[dev-biblio] Re: [users-biblio] Can OO be made to more easity work with commercial/opensource bibliographic programs??

2005-03-14 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 02:33:51 -0500, Sweet Coffee [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Is there some way to make commercial/opensource bibliographic programs plug into OO more easily? Our proposal is to move to a plug-in based system, so yes. I am also looking forward to the updated bibliographic program

Re: [dev-biblio] modified bibliographic entries - update

2005-04-05 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Apr 5, 2005, at 8:38 AM, Jozef Riha wrote: if anyone knows a workaround - except for writing w/ no mistakes - please let me know. The ugly solution is to keep track of the mistakes and when you're done, open up the XML document file and do a search-and-replace to fix those that need fixing.

Re: [dev-biblio] sorting question

2005-03-30 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Mar 30, 2005, at 6:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: alphabetize entries with numerals as if the numerals were spelled out Yeah, right. What a PITA. Bruce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands,

Re: [dev-biblio] Document type lists and document options

2005-05-21 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On May 21, 2005, at 9:23 PM, David Wilson wrote: The point I am trying to get to is that the bibliography format should be generated from the information that the user has provided about the work, rather than from the user first have to make a selection from a document type list that is

[dev-biblio] update

2005-09-14 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Hi all, List has been dead for awhile, so just a quick update. David is away in the Outback for a long vacation. Before he left, he and I rattled some cages at Sun out of sheer frustration with the lack of communication we were getting about plans going forward. I've gotten a tentative

Re: [dev-biblio] update

2005-09-14 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Matthias Steffens wrote: I would find it rather, uuhm, frustrating to see you (and the OOo folks) move away from MODS. Especially since it was *you* who convinced us to support it within our bibliographic applications. ;-) :-) However, could there be a solution where both formats go hand in

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: update (reply to Martha)

2005-09-29 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Sep 29, 2005, at 1:51 PM, Dane Weber wrote: As a user, I will be able to enter footnote, endnote, or inline citations as I type. When I enter one of these citations, I can either select a work from a database I have access to, or I can enter the work myself. How would you cite a

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: update (reply to Martha)

2005-09-29 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
To go back to this from Martha: The key issue for work vs. manifestation is content vs. container -- content always must be in a container to have a physical existence in the real world! In addition, the definition of a work is subjective, esoteric and controversial-- if I do a softcover, a

Re: [dev-biblio] question: in the meantime...

2005-09-30 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Sep 30, 2005, at 3:56 AM, John Norvell wrote: Thinking of being able to easily convert to the eventually released OO bibliography component (which seems to be getting closer -- I've been following this list and all your hard work for years now :-), what would be the best in-the-meantime

Re: [dev-biblio] styling design question

2005-10-07 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
BTW, there's a Mac developer that's been experimenting with a CSL GUI. I blogged about it here: http://netapps.muohio.edu/blogs/darcusb/darcusb/archives/2005/10/05/csl-design-and-guis Bruce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL

[dev-biblio] Fwd: previous discussions with Daniel V. on bib details and moving forward (was Re: namespaces)

2005-10-12 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Some background on some of the discussions we've been having recently (and a hint of why things are sometimes slow!). Below is a note I sent earlier today to some of the Sun developers working on SW, XML and OpenDocument. Unfortunately, I learned yesterday that Daniel (Vogelheim) recently left

Re: [dev-biblio] Fwd: previous discussions with Daniel V. on bib details and moving forward (was Re: namespaces)

2005-10-13 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
James Howison wrote: One option would be to keep the database linkage in the record and at 'styling' time (ie when the record is converted to text) to allow it to hit the database if possible and look for changes, then prompt the user if they want to have those changes apply to the current

[dev-biblio] python-uno bridge status?

2005-10-14 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
For those of you doing any work with Python, could you perhaps update me on the status of the Python support in OOo, particularly with respect to the UNO bridge? Rob has reported it was basically unusable awhile back. Am just wondering if that has improved with 2.0, or if we need to do some

Re: [dev-biblio] python-uno bridge status?

2005-10-15 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On 10/15/05, Robert Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3) Importing binary packages often failed, even if they were distributed with the OOo python (eg socket, regular expressions, etc) Joerg's response was: The std library is not my problem. I've been learning that the not my problem

[dev-biblio] conference talk

2005-10-18 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
FYI, I'm at a library IT conference, where I was invited to speak. I talked about this project and how we're trying to shape larger discussions about metadata in OOo and OpenDocument. http://netapps.muohio.edu/blogs/darcusb/darcusb/archives/2005/10/18/a-complete-metadata-cycle Bruce

Re: [dev-biblio] Mandatory embedding

2005-10-21 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On 10/20/05, James Howison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm coming around to the view that notes should probably be their own publications, How about just objects? linked to the publication they are commenting on. That just seems much more flexible to me. Then you could include the link to

Re: [dev-biblio] Workflow for citing

2005-10-27 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Just a quick note (am in a hurry) that this is interesting Peter. It's similar to my blog post about distributed citation processing from a little while ago. This does get at the issue of thinking through identifiers. On 10/27/05, pt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been working on a technical

[dev-biblio] correction

2005-11-12 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
I meant this: http://netapps.muohio.edu/blogs/darcusb/darcusb/archives/2005/10/01/ opendocument-mixing-metadata Bruce - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: Endnote filter/plug-in?

2005-11-15 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
As a former disgruntled Endnote user, I can tell you our goal is to produce something better. And while we are working on making it very easy for third-parties to plug-in (including commercial products), I wouldn't want us to waste meager resources on doing work that ISI Researchsoft should

[dev-biblio] code workspace

2005-11-17 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
I'm not sure if it's premature or not, but one of the Sun developers setup a workspace for us to do prototyping and such. If anyone wants access, please send me your OOo name ASAP. I feel like we still need to wait on Sun to do the big addition of allowing saving and loading of custom

[dev-biblio] clarification on coding needs

2005-11-18 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
A followup to my post the other day about access to cvs for prototyping: It seems that what the Sun developer in question has in mind is to actually prototype adding support for the new citation coding that has been approved for OpenDocument, which is really at the center of what we need to

Re: [dev-biblio] configuring grouping

2005-11-20 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Nov 20, 2005, at 4:47 PM, David Wilson wrote: I have now just realised that this means that not only do users need to be able to specify the groupings for the bibliography (primary and secondary, and any others) but that user needs to be able to specify which group the citation belongs

Re: [dev-biblio] configuring grouping

2005-11-20 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Nov 20, 2005, at 5:43 PM, David Wilson wrote: On first glance, you are telling me that we must force users to assign each citation to a group (if they need this sort of formatting at least), and therefore the internal coding must be able to store this (it cannot yet in the OD proposal).

Re: [dev-biblio] configuring grouping

2005-11-24 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
OK, I've not gotten any feedback but David's, so I'll just go with what I've concluded from that. Since I've got a few days break, I'll whip up a draft of the revised schema and some examples. Bruce - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: configuring grouping

2005-11-25 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
I just came across the CiteIt! legal citattion application, which does among other things auto TOA generation. Demo is here: http://www.sidebarsoft.com/product/demo.htm So it seems to me this is more TOC territory than citation/reference list, though there's clearly overlap. Interesting, BTW,

Re: [dev-biblio] take 1 on CSL mods

2005-11-25 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Nov 25, 2005, at 3:12 PM, David Wilson wrote: In any of these groups the user should be able to select the sort order name, date / date, name etc. Hmm ... I'm finding myself really not liking this idea. It adds significant complexity all around (XML, processing code, GUI), for what

Re: [dev-biblio] take 1 on CSL mods

2005-11-26 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Nov 26, 2005, at 4:04 PM, David Wilson wrote: my style guide tells me that 2 levels are sometimes appropriate because they give this example - Primary Sources Published Unpublished Secondary Sources Let me think about more then. [...] Maybe it is a future enhancement ?

[dev-biblio] style testing (was Re: configuring grouping)

2005-11-27 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On 11/25/05, Matej Cepl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce D'Arcus wrote: Some examples of how it does look * http://www.lambdalegal.org/binary-data/LAMBDA_PDF/pdf/357.pdf (see page iii) For future reference, this is *exactly* the kind of thing I need when considering this stuff. Thanks

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: style testing (was Re: configuring grouping)

2005-11-28 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Nov 27, 2005, at 2:31 PM, Matej Cepl wrote: What do you need to do this? Pretty much just a validating XML editor that will handle RELAX NG. I recommend both the emacs nxml mode, and the commercial Java application oXygen. It's essential that you validate what you do against the schema.

Re: [dev-biblio] Almost ready to go ! Draft new development plans

2005-12-04 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Dec 4, 2005, at 4:20 PM, David Wilson wrote: On Monday 05 December 2005 12:06 am, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: Two quick things David: 1) I think it'd be helpful to have these sorts of documents as a wiki, so it's easier and quicker to revise. Do we have that available to us? Yes, we have

Re: [dev-biblio] Almost ready to go ! Draft new development plans

2005-12-04 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Dec 4, 2005, at 7:14 PM, CPHennessy wrote: What I would suggest to help any newcomer is to provide an example of what the XML in the contents.xml file would look like, highlighting the bib:citation, bib:biblioref, bib:citation-source and other relevant elements. I agree. I think we can

Re: [dev-biblio] new SRU site

2005-12-05 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Dec 5, 2005, at 9:04 AM, Sebastian Hammer wrote: SRW doesn't have a lot of traction -- the SOAP substrate is inherently more complex, and frankly it is non-trivial to produce a WSDL that can be ingested by any SOAP engine *and* produce interoperable code. Yes. Maybe the LoC will apply

Re: [dev-biblio] new SRU site

2005-12-05 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Rob Sanderson wrote: I wouldn't like to say that Xml Schema doesn't have a lot of traction ;) Hmm ... true, though from what I can tell, mostly from marketing people. OTOH, how many of the free software tools do you use that have out-of -box support for XML Schema? And even industry

[dev-biblio] CSL mods, take 3

2005-12-10 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Latest version of CSL, with the APA version. It's about 30 percent more compact, and adds more features. ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? citationstyle xmlns=http://purl.org/NET/xbiblio/csl; xml:lang=en class=author-year info titleAmerican Psychological Association/title

Re: [dev-biblio] wiki updates

2005-12-10 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On 12/10/05, CPHennessy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bruce, Nice work. Can you also update it to add something relevant to my questions/suggestions : Yes, forgot to mention that we're working on the second one. I think I addressed your first point. If not, tell me what I'm missing. What

Re: [dev-biblio] wiki updates

2005-12-13 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Dec 13, 2005, at 7:20 PM, CPHennessy wrote: There seems to be a flowchart missing in section Backwards and Forwards Compatability - A suggested approach is illustrated in this flowchart. Thanks! I confess I sort of glossed over that section, as David has been thinking about that

[dev-biblio] citation example coding

2005-12-16 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
OK, CPH, per request Florian Reuter has posted something on his blog about how to code this stuff: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/flo?entry=the_community_and_me_the Seems like he's planning followup posts. If anything unclear, perhaps you could post a comment? I want to emphasize that it's

[dev-biblio] data modelling

2005-12-27 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Hi All (and happy holidays), I've been playing again with Ruby, trying to think through some details, and also seeing if I can do anything useful with Rails. Anyway, it occurs to me that it's rather easier for me to think in terms of oo or rdf classes and such, than in terms of SQL schemas

[dev-biblio] ODF TC

2005-12-29 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
A quick head's up: I'm now officially a member of the OASIS OpenDocument TC. This has two practical benefits: 1) I can contribute to discussions on the evolution of the format 2) I can introduce new enhancement proposals I have two very targeted goals for being on the TC, both of which are

Re: [dev-biblio] ODF TC

2005-12-31 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Dec 31, 2005, at 8:19 PM, David Wilson wrote: One aspect that you might consider raising at the TC to support 'state-of-art metadata' is enhanced copy, cut and paste functions. That's really an implementation issue for application developers (e.g. OOo). That said, this would be helped

Re: [dev-biblio] ODF TC

2006-01-01 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jan 1, 2006, at 1:03 AM, David Wilson wrote: That's really an implementation issue for application developers (e.g. OOo). That said, this would be helped if ODF supported metadata for document parts (citation metadata, etc.). By 'document parts' carrying thier metadata do you includein

Re: [dev-biblio] Bibliographic Project XML Format

2006-01-02 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Hi Felipe, On Jan 2, 2006, at 2:46 AM, Felipe Csaszar wrote: I only have one disagreement regarding the design of the system. I believe your system would be much more powerful, simpler, and useful if it sticks to the Bibtex file format rather than implementing a new one. Thanks for your

[dev-biblio] Re: [users-biblio] JabRef interoperability with OOo

2006-01-11 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jan 11, 2006, at 4:05 PM, Morten Omholt Alver wrote: Hi, all, Hi Morten, I'm moving this over to the dev list. I manage the bibliography manager project JabRef (http://jabref.sf.net). One of our most-requested features is interoperability with Openoffice, and I really want to do

Re: [dev-biblio] an example of a odt file with the new citation xml

2006-01-14 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jan 14, 2006, at 9:54 AM, CPHennessy wrote: However the two examples I have for the cite info differ a bit: OK, I just looked at this. David's example is this: text:bibliography-mark text:id=bib2 cite:citation cite:citation-source cite:biblioref cite:key=Thrift1990a/

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: data modelling

2006-01-14 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jan 14, 2006, at 12:42 PM, Robby Stephenson wrote: There are pros and cons to each approach (one of the strengths of 1 is that it could lead to compatibility between Word and Writer, because CSL would certainly be used in both), and I have no strong opinion. One issue I see with 1) is

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: data modelling

2006-01-14 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Hey Robby, On Jan 14, 2006, at 12:03 PM, Robby Stephenson wrote: If citeproc were written in c++, and presumably became part of the OOo codebase, what happens to the style files, like apa-en.csl, etc.? Do they become part of every OOo installation? I see two options: 1) what you're

Re: [dev-biblio] an example of a odt file with the new citation xml

2006-01-14 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Compact with comments (probably easier to read): # Citation schema copyright Bruce D'Arcus, based on related work # for DocBook with Peter Flynn and Markus Hoenicka, and for OpenOffice # with Daniel Vogelheim. It has been approved by the OASIS OpenOffice # TC for inclusion in the open file

Re: [dev-biblio] an example of a odt file with the new citation xml

2006-01-16 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jan 16, 2006, at 6:38 PM, CPHennessy wrote: Ok, I think that I have implemented almost everthing necessary for parsing the new cite: elements and attributes. I compiles and parses the supplied example file. Great! Now I am waiting on feedback from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to understand how

[dev-biblio] Fwd: [project leads] Modularization of the code

2006-01-17 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Any feedback? This ought to be of relevance to us. -- Forwarded message -- From: Martin Hollmichel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Jan 17, 2006 11:31 AM Subject: [project leads] Modularization of the code To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, In the Community Council we discussed briefly that a

[dev-biblio] code/classes

2006-01-21 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Just some notes really ... On Jan 17, 2006, at 6:10 PM, David Wilson wrote: To make this easily usable we need to modify (or make new versions) of The modules Bibliography textfield/Bibliography FieldMaster/Bibliography BibliographyDataField I'm trying to find the source code for these,

[dev-biblio] biblio ontology

2006-01-27 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
FYI, I've been saying for awhile we need a solid bibliograpic data model for citations, and finally just decided to write one myself. Start of the documented version of an RDF ontology is here: http://www.users.muohio.edu/darcusb/rdf/schemas/biblio/ I've just decided to model the basic classes;

Re: [dev-biblio] biblio ontology

2006-01-28 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Hi Matthias, On Jan 28, 2006, at 4:56 AM, Matthias Basler wrote: Just some quick comments: 1. I am missings handbook/manual in your type list. And when you're at it, you could add painting as well... and RSS feed? In the end you'll have to acknowledge that new types of documents may arise

[dev-biblio] porting citeproc; wanna help?

2006-01-28 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
I, with some help from David, have been playing with porting citeproc to Ruby. I also experimented a bit with Python, but I'm not much of a programmer and so need all the help I can get, and Ruby is more intuitive to me. Anyway, the stage where I'm at is that this simple method call:

[dev-biblio] Re: porting citeproc; wanna help?

2006-01-28 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jan 28, 2006, at 10:43 AM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: I really don't care whether it's Python or Ruby, since both are object-oriented, and both are easy to read. At any rate, ultimately I'd like to see both citeproc-rb (think a module that could be included trivially in rails apps for example

[dev-biblio] Re: biblio ontology

2006-01-28 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On 1/27/06, Bruce D'Arcus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Start of the documented version of an RDF ontology is here: http://www.users.muohio.edu/darcusb/rdf/schemas/biblio/ I decided to move it here: http://xbiblio.sourceforge.net/biblio/ Bruce

Re: [dev-biblio] Join

2006-01-28 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On 1/28/06, jper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to join. I work at the Library of Congress and I am interested in supporting you project. Hi Jim, Welcome aboard. Tell us more about your interests and skills. Bruce -

[dev-biblio] existing apis; room for improvements?

2006-01-29 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
I'm now looking through the existing bib API documentation to see what we might be able to retain for the bib project, and what would need to change. Some quick thoughts: 1) Reference types One thing we could do is propose to change this to use my class list:

Re: [dev-biblio] porting citeproc; wanna help?

2006-01-29 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jan 29, 2006, at 6:20 PM, pt wrote: One thing that particularly concerns me is Word to OpenDocument interchange (both  directions). My experience in our practical courseware publishing project is that we have to work at the level of standardised style names to interchange documents (this

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: porting citeproc; wanna help?

2006-01-29 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jan 29, 2006, at 10:32 PM, Edward Summers wrote: Bruce, I'm interested in helping out with this. I'm pretty familiar with both ruby and python but I don't have a good grasp on what exactly you want to do. Assuming the library existed could you flesh out how it would be used

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: porting citeproc; wanna help?

2006-01-30 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jan 30, 2006, at 8:31 AM, Edward Summers wrote: Heh, doesn't look like you need much help from me for programming :-) Well, I did have help with some of the hard stuff. I had no clue how to do the grouping and sorting stuff for the author-date class! Still, I think it bears repeating

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: porting citeproc; wanna help?

2006-01-30 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
OK, here's a simple unit test that passes: #! /usr/bin/env ruby require 'citeproc' require 'test/unit' class TestReference Test::Unit::TestCase include CiteProc def data [ { :creator = [Doe, Jane, Jane Doe], :title = Some title, :year = 1999, :type

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: porting citeproc; wanna help?

2006-01-30 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jan 30, 2006, at 12:08 PM, Ed Summers wrote: Yep, write tests for the code that doesn't exist and run them and watch them fail. Then start filling in the code until you can get tests to start passing. When all the tests pass you're done! Yes, but how find-grained do you get? Take a method

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: porting citeproc; wanna help?

2006-01-30 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On 1/30/06, Ed Summers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You typically want to test how a user will want to use your library. You don't want to write tests for internal stuff. If there are a sequence of interpendent events that need to be tested I tend to bundle them in an individual test method. That

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: porting citeproc; wanna help?

2006-01-30 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jan 30, 2006, at 5:35 PM, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: CitationStyle == new (load external CSL file and create object) OK, here's a start; sorry, just easier for me to think in Ruby. Feel free to jump in and translate to Python if you want. I'm posting this step by step just to make

Re: [dev-biblio] proposal to ask the [EMAIL PROTECTED] the right questions

2006-01-31 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
Hi CPH, Thanks for hanging with this. On 1/30/06, CPHennessy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm obviously not asking the right questions of the developers on the SW project (or it is possible that they are not listening). It's probably a little of both. We have consistently had communications

[dev-biblio] Re: Text and Bibliographic Table code location

2006-01-31 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Jan 30, 2006, at 11:06 PM, David Wilson wrote: Following some help from Caolan McNamara UNO: The writer UNO interface is typically implemented in sw/source/core/unocore . That is a useful directory to see how UNO stuff gets mapped to it's core writer implementation. e.g.

[dev-biblio] dealing with rdf/xml

2006-02-02 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Peter's point about parsing and serializing RDF: the discussion on metadata at the TC is still up in the air, but it's occurred to me that if we use a constrained RDF/XML, and consistently identify things with URI's, then it should be easy to map back-and-forth to objects even with just

[dev-biblio] advice on code organization?

2006-02-04 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
I'm trying to get the python and ruby citeproc ports setup enough that they can be put in CVS. I wonder if people have thoughts on how to structure the code? Right now I pretty much have a single module: CiteProc. That contains the classes for both the citation metadata (Reference, Agent,

Re: [dev-biblio] bib dev.

2006-02-06 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On 2/6/06, Jeffrey Lewis - UMDNJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im curious where the bibliography things are in development. Im curious if there has been consideration into using a format similar to bibtex for latex which specifies the fields for a given type of reference and will format it based

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: [xbiblio-devel] csl changes

2006-02-08 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Feb 8, 2006, at 6:12 PM, Johan Kool wrote: Focus on getting it easily readable for your own parser, as well as the human eye. If it works for that, it works for a GUI too. OK, then, I think that's settled. The final issue is about the prefix/suffix thing. Should they be plain text (as

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: [xbiblio-devel] csl changes

2006-02-09 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Feb 9, 2006, at 4:37 AM, Matthias Basler wrote: I'd definitely prefer the version below, for exactly this reason. OK, then, I modified the schema and wrote an XSLT to mostly convert the old examples. For now I've put it all here: http://www.users.muohio.edu/darcusb/citations/csl/

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: [xbiblio-devel] csl changes

2006-02-10 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Feb 10, 2006, at 8:24 AM, Matthias Basler wrote: Yes, abbreviations for journal names are quite common. Implementation should not be very difficult. In a simple case each user can him/herself define a replacement (or alias) list (i.e. Journal of Climatology - J. Clim.) that can be switched

Re: [dev-biblio] areas?

2006-02-13 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Feb 13, 2006, at 4:07 AM, Matthias Basler wrote: I don't believe it to work in reality because styles are not necessary defined by an area of science, but often (also or only) by an institution or journal. If your intention is to ease looking up a style in a GUI I'd recomment a techniqe

[dev-biblio] Re: [users-biblio] Re: [dev-biblio] Re: [users-biblio] a research broup bibliography for transitioning from endnote

2006-03-01 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Mar 1, 2006, at 5:01 PM, Matt Price wrote: I guess where I want to go is to get rid of Endnote, and have a script within Word and OOo that allows formatting of references from web sources. Clearly that'll take some work though. That sounds great -- though my preference would not be to get

[dev-biblio] Re: [sw-discussion] Re: [dev-biblio] Re: [sw-discussion] Re: [dev-biblio] an example of a odt file with the new citation xml

2006-03-02 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
So if we take this: On Mar 1, 2006, at 2:58 AM, Oliver Specht wrote: Hi, CPHennessy wrote: This sounds quite interesting, is there already an example to play with (even if it is another element)? No, there isn't any example yet. ... and this (confusing, but the levels are

[dev-biblio] Re: [sw-discussion] Re: [dev-biblio] Re: [sw-discussion] Re: [dev-biblio] Re: [sw-discussion] Re: [dev-biblio] an example of a odt file with the new citation xml

2006-03-02 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Mar 2, 2006, at 7:49 PM, CPHennessy wrote: OK, I now have some code using the DomBuilder (used in XForms) so that I can parse and store the Citation in a DOM. Excellent. Now *all* I need to do is to properly associate this with a Bibliography text field, and at a minimum to hook the

Re: [dev-biblio] Some citation questions

2006-03-25 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Mar 25, 2006, at 9:09 AM, CPHennessy wrote: The following two questions about the Citations which you can answer will help to make it clearer for me : 1 - currently the idea about citations is that the complete citation appears everywhere it is needed (e.g. it could be more than once thru

Re: [dev-biblio] Some citation questions

2006-03-25 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Mar 25, 2006, at 10:33 AM, CPHennessy wrote: In the new approach, those five citations each point to the same -- single -- metadata record, which is moved out of the content file into its own dedicated file. Ah, now this was not clear to me. Good :-) But the example docs you gave me

Re: [dev-biblio] Some citation questions

2006-03-26 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Mar 25, 2006, at 10:11 PM, David Wilson wrote: There is the case where some styles have a first (more detailed) and subsequent (less detailed) format for citations. Right, but that's a global issue. The citation code that CPH is working on need not understand that. It is important for

Re: [dev-biblio] Bibliographic Table processing

2006-03-26 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Mar 25, 2006, at 11:11 PM, David Wilson wrote: Some time ago, some one, it might have been CPHennessy, asked about bibliographic table (reference table) generation and if the current process could work with the new Citeproc formating process. I find worrying about the GUI at this

Re: [dev-biblio] Bibliographic Table processing

2006-03-27 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On 3/27/06, David Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I assume to refers to the Bibliography xml structure which defines the Bibliographic Tables' data fields, their order and their character formating and punctuation between the fields. This structure is only indirectly associated with

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: [users-biblio] Work documents on the wiki.

2006-03-30 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Mar 30, 2006, at 5:41 PM, Matt Price wrote: Also very nice to have the Functional Requirements page up. I wonder though whether it might not be a good idea to start prioritizing all these tasks. I agree. I think we need to first clean up the formatting, and then work at streamlining

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: [users-biblio] Work documents on the wiki.

2006-03-30 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On 3/30/06, Matt Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My interest in porting citeproc to other languages is to prototype this, and gain the experience we need to figure out how best to do this. can you expand on this? e.g. would it be helpful if I tried to work up a python port (this will

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: [users-biblio] Work documents on the wiki.

2006-03-31 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
I just went through and added comments throughout the requirements. I do think it still could use a fair bit of editing and maybe reorganization. I feel like we need to cut it down by about 50%, which mostly means consolidating and sharpening. It strikes me some of the requirements are in

Re: [dev-biblio] Minimal Target

2006-04-04 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Apr 4, 2006, at 3:46 PM, Matt Price wrote: Seems to me it would be useful to define several targets -- say minimal, intermediate, and polished and lay out what needs to be done for each. Sure. Minimal Bibliographic Interface Target Goals: Allow expert users to insert useful citations

Re: [dev-biblio] Minimal Target

2006-04-04 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Apr 4, 2006, at 9:58 PM, Matt Price wrote: ah. that's really excellent, thank you. This also pointed me to wiki/Bibliographic_Document_XML_Format which I had skimmed over before, but is now much clearer to me. FYI, I just changed the bib example to reflect the current direction of

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: Re: embedded references/functional requirements wiki page

2006-04-05 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Apr 5, 2006, at 11:50 AM, Matt Price wrote: should it be a little more extensive here? so for instnace: I am extremely disorganized, and in the absence of a satisfactory bibliogrpahic solution have dealt with various bibs in the last few years. On one paper I use one bib, for another

Re: [dev-biblio] Re: Re: embedded references/functional requirements wiki page

2006-04-05 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Apr 5, 2006, at 2:24 PM, Matthias Steffens wrote: However, when I'm writing a paper, 95% of the cited references do already exist in my bibliographic database and I want to use these (and not a copy from somewhere else) since I know that I've verified my own entries for correctness

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