[Fwd: Re: [DISCUSS] Create a "Powered by Geronimo" page under Community]

2008-02-11 Thread Donald Woods 

In-line below.

Joe Bohn wrote:

Donald Woods wrote:
Along the same lines as the other discussion topic on adding a "Ready 
for Geronimo" page under the Community section of our website...


How about we create a "Powered by Geronimo" page that would help 
recognize the projects that provide a Geronimo based bundle (like 
Liferay) and companies that provide applications or servers based on 
Geronimo (like Intalio and IBM.)


A sample can be found on our wiki at -
  http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/GMOxSITE/Powered+by+Geronimo

Thoughts?


-Donald


It seems that there is some overlap between the "Ready for Geronimo" 
idea and the "Powered by Geronimo" idea.  Is the distinction that you 
are trying to make between projects that embed Geronimo vs. those that 
provide functions (such as plugins) that are installed on top of 
Geronimo?   Could an entity provide both and get listed in each location 
 for the same general project?


Yes, that was the initial thought...  Sort of along the "Eclipse Ready"
and "Built on Eclipse" programs -
   http://www.eclipse.org/legal/logo_guidelines.php
   http://www.eclipse.org/artwork/




For example, an entity that provides a payroll solution could create a 
plugin to install that solution on an existing Geronimo server instance. 
 They might also create a simple assembly that has the plugin 
pre-installed for uses to download as a turn-key solution.  Would they 
register under the "Ready for", "Powered by" or both?


Perhaps we could integrate both of these concepts into one idea by 
simply calling out a page to list entities that provide some level of 
integration with Geronimo (i.e. Geronimo Partners?).  They could provide 
a one line description of their offering and a link to a page they own 
providing more detail on their level of integration (be it by providing 
Plugins, embedding a G server, providing support, whatever...).   I'm 
just thinking out load and not completely sold on this idea of combining 
the lists myself ... just trying to eliminate some ambiguity (and 
perhaps creating more :-) ).  Thoughts?


Hmmm - interesting compromise.  I was going for the idea of "Geronimo
Ready" as a way to help promote/evangelize Geronimo and projects that
support it, so maybe a generic "Supports Geronimo" or "Geronimo Partner"
logo and page with a quick summary on their offering would suffice for now.




Joe




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Re: [DISCUSS] Create a "Powered by Geronimo" page under Community

2008-02-11 Thread Donald Woods 



Joe Bohn wrote:

Donald Woods wrote:
Along the same lines as the other discussion topic on adding a "Ready 
for Geronimo" page under the Community section of our website...


How about we create a "Powered by Geronimo" page that would help 
recognize the projects that provide a Geronimo based bundle (like 
Liferay) and companies that provide applications or servers based on 
Geronimo (like Intalio and IBM.)


A sample can be found on our wiki at -
  http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/GMOxSITE/Powered+by+Geronimo

Thoughts?


-Donald


It seems that there is some overlap between the "Ready for Geronimo" 
idea and the "Powered by Geronimo" idea.  Is the distinction that you 
are trying to make between projects that embed Geronimo vs. those that 
provide functions (such as plugins) that are installed on top of 
Geronimo?   Could an entity provide both and get listed in each location 
 for the same general project?


Yes, that was the initial thought...  Sort of along the "Eclipse Ready" 
and "Built on Eclipse" programs -

  http://www.eclipse.org/legal/logo_guidelines.php
  http://www.eclipse.org/artwork/




For example, an entity that provides a payroll solution could create a 
plugin to install that solution on an existing Geronimo server instance. 
 They might also create a simple assembly that has the plugin 
pre-installed for uses to download as a turn-key solution.  Would they 
register under the "Ready for", "Powered by" or both?


Perhaps we could integrate both of these concepts into one idea by 
simply calling out a page to list entities that provide some level of 
integration with Geronimo (i.e. Geronimo Partners?).  They could provide 
a one line description of their offering and a link to a page they own 
providing more detail on their level of integration (be it by providing 
Plugins, embedding a G server, providing support, whatever...).   I'm 
just thinking out load and not completely sold on this idea of combining 
the lists myself ... just trying to eliminate some ambiguity (and 
perhaps creating more :-) ).  Thoughts?


Hmmm - interesting compromise.  I was going for the idea of "Geronimo 
Ready" as a way to help promote/evangelize Geronimo and projects that 
support it, so maybe a generic "Supports Geronimo" or "Geronimo Partner" 
logo and page with a quick summary on their offering would suffice for now.





Joe




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Re: [DISCUSS] Create a "Powered by Geronimo" page under Community

2008-02-11 Thread Hernan Cunico 

I think it could all be combined into a single page with different sections 
like supported/certified platforms, plugins, etc.
I guess the page name will come up naturally once we figure out how to present 
that info

speaking of plugins, we could try to find a way to build this info directly 
from the geronimo-plugins.xml

Cheers!
Hernan

Jason Warner wrote:

Touche', Joe.  Touche'.



On Feb 11, 2008 1:54 PM, Joe Bohn <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


Jason Warner wrote:
 > Vamsi,  I think that falls right in line with what I was saying
in the
 > other thread.  Take a look and see if you agree.
 >
 > ~Jason Warner

Which I think falls right in line with what I said earlier in this
thread too. :-)

Joe



 >
 > On Feb 11, 2008 1:40 PM, Vamsavardhana Reddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 > >> wrote:
 >
 > I am indifferent to whether someone is repackaging Geronimo or
 > providing a plugin on top of Geronimo.  All I want to know is if
 > something is running on Geronimo (or a derivative) in production.
 >
 > ++Vamsi
 >
 >
 > On Feb 11, 2008 9:44 PM, Kevan Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 > >> wrote:
 >
 >
 > On Feb 8, 2008, at 12:40 PM, Donald Woods wrote:
 >
 >> Along the same lines as the other discussion topic on
adding a
 >> "Ready for Geronimo" page under the Community section of our
 >> website...
 >>
 >> How about we create a "Powered by Geronimo" page that would
 >> help recognize the projects that provide a Geronimo based
 >> bundle (like Liferay) and companies that provide
applications
 >> or servers based on Geronimo (like Intalio and IBM.)
 >>
 >> A sample can be found on our wiki at -
 >>
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/GMOxSITE/Powered+by+Geronimo

 >>
 >> Thoughts?
 >
 > I'm willing to listen to contrary opinions, but I'd be
against
 > this. This seems to be listing sources for Geronimo
support. As
 > defined, we'd be willing to list companies that rebundle (and
 > support) Geronimo, but not companies that support Geronimo
 > directly. We could fix this by redefine "Powered by" to
include
 > those companies, also.
 > I'd prefer to leave the whole issue untouched...
 >
 > --kevan
 >
 >
 >

Re: [DISCUSS] Create a "Powered by Geronimo" page under Community

2008-02-11 Thread Jason Warner 
Touche', Joe.  Touche'.



On Feb 11, 2008 1:54 PM, Joe Bohn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jason Warner wrote:
> > Vamsi,  I think that falls right in line with what I was saying in the
> > other thread.  Take a look and see if you agree.
> >
> > ~Jason Warner
>
> Which I think falls right in line with what I said earlier in this
> thread too. :-)
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> >
> > On Feb 11, 2008 1:40 PM, Vamsavardhana Reddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > wrote:
> >
> > I am indifferent to whether someone is repackaging Geronimo or
> > providing a plugin on top of Geronimo.  All I want to know is if
> > something is running on Geronimo (or a derivative) in production.
> >
> > ++Vamsi
> >
> >
> > On Feb 11, 2008 9:44 PM, Kevan Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Feb 8, 2008, at 12:40 PM, Donald Woods wrote:
> >
> >> Along the same lines as the other discussion topic on adding a
> >> "Ready for Geronimo" page under the Community section of our
> >> website...
> >>
> >> How about we create a "Powered by Geronimo" page that would
> >> help recognize the projects that provide a Geronimo based
> >> bundle (like Liferay) and companies that provide applications
> >> or servers based on Geronimo (like Intalio and IBM.)
> >>
> >> A sample can be found on our wiki at -
> >>
> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/GMOxSITE/Powered+by+Geronimo
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >
> > I'm willing to listen to contrary opinions, but I'd be against
> > this. This seems to be listing sources for Geronimo support. As
> > defined, we'd be willing to list companies that rebundle (and
> > support) Geronimo, but not companies that support Geronimo
> > directly. We could fix this by redefine "Powered by" to include
> > those companies, also.
> > I'd prefer to leave the whole issue untouched...
> >
> > --kevan
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Create a "Powered by Geronimo" page under Community

2008-02-11 Thread Joe Bohn 

Jason Warner wrote:
Vamsi,  I think that falls right in line with what I was saying in the 
other thread.  Take a look and see if you agree.


~Jason Warner


Which I think falls right in line with what I said earlier in this 
thread too. :-)


Joe





On Feb 11, 2008 1:40 PM, Vamsavardhana Reddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


I am indifferent to whether someone is repackaging Geronimo or
providing a plugin on top of Geronimo.  All I want to know is if
something is running on Geronimo (or a derivative) in production.

++Vamsi


On Feb 11, 2008 9:44 PM, Kevan Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:


On Feb 8, 2008, at 12:40 PM, Donald Woods wrote:


Along the same lines as the other discussion topic on adding a
"Ready for Geronimo" page under the Community section of our
website...

How about we create a "Powered by Geronimo" page that would
help recognize the projects that provide a Geronimo based
bundle (like Liferay) and companies that provide applications
or servers based on Geronimo (like Intalio and IBM.)

A sample can be found on our wiki at -
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/GMOxSITE/Powered+by+Geronimo

Thoughts?


I'm willing to listen to contrary opinions, but I'd be against
this. This seems to be listing sources for Geronimo support. As
defined, we'd be willing to list companies that rebundle (and
support) Geronimo, but not companies that support Geronimo
directly. We could fix this by redefine "Powered by" to include
those companies, also.
I'd prefer to leave the whole issue untouched... 


--kevan

Re: [DISCUSS] Create a "Powered by Geronimo" page under Community

2008-02-11 Thread Jason Warner 
Vamsi,  I think that falls right in line with what I was saying in the other
thread.  Take a look and see if you agree.

~Jason Warner

On Feb 11, 2008 1:40 PM, Vamsavardhana Reddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am indifferent to whether someone is repackaging Geronimo or providing a
> plugin on top of Geronimo.  All I want to know is if something is running on
> Geronimo (or a derivative) in production.
>
> ++Vamsi
>
>
> On Feb 11, 2008 9:44 PM, Kevan Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > On Feb 8, 2008, at 12:40 PM, Donald Woods wrote:
> >
> > Along the same lines as the other discussion topic on adding a "Ready
> > for Geronimo" page under the Community section of our website...
> >
> > How about we create a "Powered by Geronimo" page that would help
> > recognize the projects that provide a Geronimo based bundle (like Liferay)
> > and companies that provide applications or servers based on Geronimo (like
> > Intalio and IBM.)
> >
> > A sample can be found on our wiki at -
> > http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/GMOxSITE/Powered+by+Geronimo
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> >
> > I'm willing to listen to contrary opinions, but I'd be against this.
> > This seems to be listing sources for Geronimo support. As defined, we'd be
> > willing to list companies that rebundle (and support) Geronimo, but not
> > companies that support Geronimo directly. We could fix this by redefine
> > "Powered by" to include those companies, also.
> > I'd prefer to leave the whole issue untouched...
> >
> > --kevan
> >
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Create a "Powered by Geronimo" page under Community

2008-02-11 Thread Vamsavardhana Reddy 
I am indifferent to whether someone is repackaging Geronimo or providing a
plugin on top of Geronimo.  All I want to know is if something is running on
Geronimo (or a derivative) in production.

++Vamsi

On Feb 11, 2008 9:44 PM, Kevan Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> On Feb 8, 2008, at 12:40 PM, Donald Woods wrote:
>
> Along the same lines as the other discussion topic on adding a "Ready for
> Geronimo" page under the Community section of our website...
>
> How about we create a "Powered by Geronimo" page that would help recognize
> the projects that provide a Geronimo based bundle (like Liferay) and
> companies that provide applications or servers based on Geronimo (like
> Intalio and IBM.)
>
> A sample can be found on our wiki at -
> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/GMOxSITE/Powered+by+Geronimo
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> I'm willing to listen to contrary opinions, but I'd be against this. This
> seems to be listing sources for Geronimo support. As defined, we'd be
> willing to list companies that rebundle (and support) Geronimo, but not
> companies that support Geronimo directly. We could fix this by redefine
> "Powered by" to include those companies, also.
> I'd prefer to leave the whole issue untouched...
>
> --kevan
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Create a "Powered by Geronimo" page under Community

2008-02-11 Thread Joe Bohn 

Donald Woods wrote:
Along the same lines as the other discussion topic on adding a "Ready 
for Geronimo" page under the Community section of our website...


How about we create a "Powered by Geronimo" page that would help 
recognize the projects that provide a Geronimo based bundle (like 
Liferay) and companies that provide applications or servers based on 
Geronimo (like Intalio and IBM.)


A sample can be found on our wiki at -
  http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/GMOxSITE/Powered+by+Geronimo

Thoughts?


-Donald


It seems that there is some overlap between the "Ready for Geronimo" 
idea and the "Powered by Geronimo" idea.  Is the distinction that you 
are trying to make between projects that embed Geronimo vs. those that 
provide functions (such as plugins) that are installed on top of 
Geronimo?   Could an entity provide both and get listed in each location 
 for the same general project?


For example, an entity that provides a payroll solution could create a 
plugin to install that solution on an existing Geronimo server instance. 
 They might also create a simple assembly that has the plugin 
pre-installed for uses to download as a turn-key solution.  Would they 
register under the "Ready for", "Powered by" or both?


Perhaps we could integrate both of these concepts into one idea by 
simply calling out a page to list entities that provide some level of 
integration with Geronimo (i.e. Geronimo Partners?).  They could provide 
a one line description of their offering and a link to a page they own 
providing more detail on their level of integration (be it by providing 
Plugins, embedding a G server, providing support, whatever...).   I'm 
just thinking out load and not completely sold on this idea of combining 
the lists myself ... just trying to eliminate some ambiguity (and 
perhaps creating more :-) ).  Thoughts?


Joe

Re: [DISCUSS] Create a "Powered by Geronimo" page under Community

2008-02-11 Thread Kevan Miller 


On Feb 8, 2008, at 12:40 PM, Donald Woods wrote:

Along the same lines as the other discussion topic on adding a  
"Ready for Geronimo" page under the Community section of our  
website...


How about we create a "Powered by Geronimo" page that would help  
recognize the projects that provide a Geronimo based bundle (like  
Liferay) and companies that provide applications or servers based on  
Geronimo (like Intalio and IBM.)


A sample can be found on our wiki at -
 http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/GMOxSITE/Powered+by+Geronimo

Thoughts?


I'm willing to listen to contrary opinions, but I'd be against this.  
This seems to be listing sources for Geronimo support. As defined,  
we'd be willing to list companies that rebundle (and support)  
Geronimo, but not companies that support Geronimo directly. We could  
fix this by redefine "Powered by" to include those companies, also.  
I'd prefer to leave the whole issue untouched...


--kevan

Re: [DISCUSS] Create a "Powered by Geronimo" page under Community

2008-02-08 Thread Vamsavardhana Reddy 
Donald,

Thanks for bringing it up.  I always wanted to know who are using Geronimo
and how.

++Vamsi

On Feb 8, 2008 11:10 PM, Donald Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Along the same lines as the other discussion topic on adding a "Ready
> for Geronimo" page under the Community section of our website...
>
> How about we create a "Powered by Geronimo" page that would help
> recognize the projects that provide a Geronimo based bundle (like
> Liferay) and companies that provide applications or servers based on
> Geronimo (like Intalio and IBM.)
>
> A sample can be found on our wiki at -
>   http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/GMOxSITE/Powered+by+Geronimo
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> -Donald
>