Re: Open bugs report, May 1 2026

2026-05-01 Thread Rich Bowen



> On May 1, 2026, at 10:55 AM, Rich Bowen  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 1, 2026, at 10:29 AM, Mads Toftum  wrote:
>> 
>> On Fri, May 01, 2026 at 10:05:15AM -0400, Rich Bowen wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 1, 2026, at 9:33 AM, Mads Toftum  wrote:
 Would be tempting to close out old reports to get rid of some of the
 noise. If not by date, then at least close anything on unsupported
 versions.
>>> 
>>> Yes, that would be fantastic. I’m never a big fan of bulk-closing tickets 
>>> based on age, but there’s *definitely* a lot of stuff in here against 
>>> modules that are long-retired, features that no longer exist, and a lot of 
>>> other ancient history.
>>> 
>> I was thinking more along the lines of 1.3, 2.0 and 2.2 if there's any
>> left from those versions.

Hmm. I was mistaken.There are:

61 2.2.x bugs
25 2.0.x bugs

I’ll run another report here, and see what we can do about bulk closing those 
with a polite message.

— 
Rich Bowen
[email protected]






Re: Open bugs report, May 1 2026

2026-05-01 Thread Rich Bowen



> On May 1, 2026, at 10:29 AM, Mads Toftum  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, May 01, 2026 at 10:05:15AM -0400, Rich Bowen wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 1, 2026, at 9:33 AM, Mads Toftum  wrote:
>>> Would be tempting to close out old reports to get rid of some of the
>>> noise. If not by date, then at least close anything on unsupported
>>> versions.
>> 
>> Yes, that would be fantastic. I’m never a big fan of bulk-closing tickets 
>> based on age, but there’s *definitely* a lot of stuff in here against 
>> modules that are long-retired, features that no longer exist, and a lot of 
>> other ancient history.
>> 
> I was thinking more along the lines of 1.3, 2.0 and 2.2 if there's any
> left from those versions.


Oh, yeah, those are all gone. 

>> 
>> Yeah, there’s a lot of user support stuff in here that isn’t actually a bug 
>> report. There’s also a lot of tickets where someone did the work, fixed a 
>> problem, and asked the reporter for their +1 to close, and then it just sat 
>> and rotted. This kind of stuff is what the AI tools are actually good at, 
>> and I’m going to do some more digging.
>> 
> Perhaps an approach could be to have AI make suggested responses and
> then put a human in the loop before sending?

That is my planned approach. I am very reluctant to give any AI agent direct 
access to the bz API or anything like that, but am trying to see how much I can 
at least get recommendations on to close stuff.

— 
Rich Bowen
[email protected]






Re: Open bugs report, May 1 2026

2026-05-01 Thread Mads Toftum
On Fri, May 01, 2026 at 10:05:15AM -0400, Rich Bowen wrote:
> 
> 
> > On May 1, 2026, at 9:33 AM, Mads Toftum  wrote:
> > Would be tempting to close out old reports to get rid of some of the
> > noise. If not by date, then at least close anything on unsupported
> > versions.
> 
> Yes, that would be fantastic. I’m never a big fan of bulk-closing tickets 
> based on age, but there’s *definitely* a lot of stuff in here against modules 
> that are long-retired, features that no longer exist, and a lot of other 
> ancient history.
> 
I was thinking more along the lines of 1.3, 2.0 and 2.2 if there's any
left from those versions.
> 
> Yeah, there’s a lot of user support stuff in here that isn’t actually a bug 
> report. There’s also a lot of tickets where someone did the work, fixed a 
> problem, and asked the reporter for their +1 to close, and then it just sat 
> and rotted. This kind of stuff is what the AI tools are actually good at, and 
> I’m going to do some more digging.
> 
Perhaps an approach could be to have AI make suggested responses and
then put a human in the loop before sending?

vh

Mads Toftum
-- 
http://flickr.com/photos/q42/


Re: Open bugs report, May 1 2026

2026-05-01 Thread Rich Bowen



> On May 1, 2026, at 10:04 AM, Thomas Meyer  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> "world's most popular web server" - I don't think this is true anymore, 
> somebody should also update readme which also still claims this.

Heh. Yeah, that was put in there by the over-enthusiastic AI agent, and it 
amused me, so I left it in. I actually made a note to do some digging for 
places in the docs and website where we make claims based on 2010 Netcraft 
surveys, and I’ve already fixed a couple of these.

— 
Rich Bowen
[email protected]






Re: Open bugs report, May 1 2026

2026-05-01 Thread Rich Bowen



> On May 1, 2026, at 9:33 AM, Mads Toftum  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, May 01, 2026 at 08:36:42AM -0400, Rich Bowen wrote:
>> I was thinking last night it might be interesting to dig through and figure 
>> out what would be a good place for a beginner to get started, or whether 
>> there’s some opportunity for cleanup.
>> 
>> TL:DR - we have almost 1500 open bugs, most of which are ancient history.
>> 
>> Pretty graphs! - http://httpd.rcbowen.com/httpd-open-bugs.html
>> 
> Nice work. 
> Would be tempting to close out old reports to get rid of some of the
> noise. If not by date, then at least close anything on unsupported
> versions.

Yes, that would be fantastic. I’m never a big fan of bulk-closing tickets based 
on age, but there’s *definitely* a lot of stuff in here against modules that 
are long-retired, features that no longer exist, and a lot of other ancient 
history.

> 
>> I suspect that a *bunch* of them are no longer valid. (There are, for 
>> example, 3 open bugs against the Win32 MSI Installer)
>> 
> I had a quick look at "Critical & Blocker Bugs" - there's a lot of NEW
> reports and perhaps some things that had better gone to users@httpd.

Yeah, there’s a lot of user support stuff in here that isn’t actually a bug 
report. There’s also a lot of tickets where someone did the work, fixed a 
problem, and asked the reporter for their +1 to close, and then it just sat and 
rotted. This kind of stuff is what the AI tools are actually good at, and I’m 
going to do some more digging.

— 
Rich Bowen
[email protected]






Re: Open bugs report, May 1 2026

2026-05-01 Thread Thomas Meyer
Hi,

"world's most popular web server" - I don't think this is true anymore, 
somebody should also update readme which also still claims this.

Mfg
Thomas 

Am 1. Mai 2026 14:36:42 MESZ schrieb Rich Bowen :
>I was thinking last night it might be interesting to dig through and figure 
>out what would be a good place for a beginner to get started, or whether 
>there’s some opportunity for cleanup.
>
>TL:DR - we have almost 1500 open bugs, most of which are ancient history.
>
>Pretty graphs! - http://httpd.rcbowen.com/httpd-open-bugs.html
>
>I suspect that a *bunch* of them are no longer valid. (There are, for example, 
>3 open bugs against the Win32 MSI Installer)
>
>(We also have 92 open PRs on https://github.com/apache/httpd/pulls which is a 
>whole *other* can of worms.)
>
>— 
>Rich Bowen
>[email protected]
>
>
>
>


Re: Open bugs report, May 1 2026

2026-05-01 Thread Mads Toftum
On Fri, May 01, 2026 at 08:36:42AM -0400, Rich Bowen wrote:
> I was thinking last night it might be interesting to dig through and figure 
> out what would be a good place for a beginner to get started, or whether 
> there’s some opportunity for cleanup.
> 
> TL:DR - we have almost 1500 open bugs, most of which are ancient history.
> 
> Pretty graphs! - http://httpd.rcbowen.com/httpd-open-bugs.html
> 
Nice work. 
Would be tempting to close out old reports to get rid of some of the
noise. If not by date, then at least close anything on unsupported
versions.

> I suspect that a *bunch* of them are no longer valid. (There are, for 
> example, 3 open bugs against the Win32 MSI Installer)
> 
I had a quick look at "Critical & Blocker Bugs" - there's a lot of NEW
reports and perhaps some things that had better gone to users@httpd.

vh

Mads Toftum
-- 
http://flickr.com/photos/q42/


Open bugs report, May 1 2026

2026-05-01 Thread Rich Bowen
I was thinking last night it might be interesting to dig through and figure out 
what would be a good place for a beginner to get started, or whether there’s 
some opportunity for cleanup.

TL:DR - we have almost 1500 open bugs, most of which are ancient history.

Pretty graphs! - http://httpd.rcbowen.com/httpd-open-bugs.html

I suspect that a *bunch* of them are no longer valid. (There are, for example, 
3 open bugs against the Win32 MSI Installer)

(We also have 92 open PRs on https://github.com/apache/httpd/pulls which is a 
whole *other* can of worms.)

— 
Rich Bowen
[email protected]