Re: Trademarks did not approve of Apache Hunter

[Dave Fisher]

Infra has nothing to do with Brand approvals.

Send a note to tradema...@apache.org asking if they need anything further on 
the JIRA issue.

Best,
Dave

> On Feb 3, 2025, at 12:30 PM, Alexander Sorokoumov 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey!
> 
> I'd try #asfinfra  in ASF
> Slack.
> 
> Best,
> Alex
> 
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 12:26 PM Henrik Ingo  wrote:
> 
>> Hi. The ticket seems to be stalled now. Do I need to assign it to someone
>> or poke someone or slack or?
>> 
>> Henrik
>> 
>> On Sat, 28 Dec 2024, 20.31 ,  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks, Henrik!
>>> 
 On Dec 28, 2024, at 9:22 AM, Henrik Ingo  wrote:
 
 
>>> 
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/PODLINGNAMESEARCH/issues/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-230
 
> On Fri, 20 Dec 2024, 22.06 Dave Fisher,  wrote:
> 
> Create a new PODLINGNAMESEARCH issue for Otava. Once that is approved
>> we
> can ask INFRA and mentors to make the needed name changes.
> 
> Best,
> Dave
> 
>> On Dec 20, 2024, at 9:50 AM, Alexander Sorokoumov <
> aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It looks like we have a winner!
>> 
>> What are the next steps, propose the new name in
>> PODLINGNAMESEARCH-228?
>> 
>>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 3:52 PM Mick Semb Wever 
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm fond of Otava too.  Very nice suggestion there.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 19 Dec 2024, at 05:01, Henrik Ingo wrote:
 
>>> 
> 
>>> 
>> https://www.vastavalo.net/tahtikuvio-iso-otava-otava-taivaalla-699408.html
 
 Yes, I like Otava too.
 
 henrik
 
 On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 7:50 PM Matt Fleming 
>>> wrote:
 
> I vote for Otava also.
> 
> Thanks,
> Matt
> 
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 at 17:47, Alexander Sorokoumov <
> aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I also like Otava with its beautiful lore. It looks to me that it
>>> is
>>> also
>> your preference, Henrik and Sean, right?
>> 
>> On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 6:27 AM Sean McCarthy <
> sean.mccarthy@gmail.com
>>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I quite like Otava, and Tapio is good too. Both have great
> iconography. I
>>> think I have a preference for Otava, given what Henrik said:
>>> 
 It was crucial for... (drumroll) … navigation (whether on the
>>> sea or
>> in
>>> a forest) because its tail points directly to the North Star.
>> Also
>>> the
>>> stars themselves visually look like change points on a graph
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 17, 2024, at 4:37 AM, Henrik Ingo 
>>> wrote:
 
 Ah right. I guess I like multiple options as potentially good.
>>> Now
> that
>>> you
 mention it, I thought of the vote more as a poll. It would be
>> interesting
 to see if there's some alternative that kind of "sticks out".
>> But
> maybe
>>> to
 facilitate a discussion toward potential consensus, let me
>>> aggregate
>> all
 presented options into a single email at least:
 
 Apache Ghunter
 Apache Tapio
 Apache Sawa
 Apache Mielikki
 Apache Chaser
 Apache Suunnistus
 Apache Otava
 Apache Karen
 
 
 My apologies Mick, when compiling this list I realized your
>> email
>>> actually
 contained a suggestion too. Don't know how I missed it
>> originally
>>> as
> it
>>> is
 quite clear and a good suggestion.
 
 Eddie and Midnight I'll disqualify due to apparent risk of
>>> trademark
 infringement.
 
 From the above list, I sometimes wonder whether we should ask
>>> legal
>>> counsel
 for advice on the following:
 
 Apache Ghunter -> Is it a problem if it rhymes with the
>>> previously
 disqualified name?
 
 Tapio and Mielikkki -> Is it a problem that they are related to
>>> the
 mythical character known as Nyrkiö (my company)
 
 Apache Karen -> Probably offensive?
 
 Actually, Apache Chaser, as it is a synonym of the disqualified
>>> name,
>>> could
 be good to check as well.
 
 
 Even so, from the above list I actually like Apache Otava.
> Personally I
 never felt like I hunt for regressions, nor do I chase them. I
>>> simply
>>> find
 them. Otava (Big Bear star constellation) is a perfect symbol
>> for
> that.
 
 henri

Re: Trademarks did not approve of Apache Hunter

[Alexander Sorokoumov]

Hey!

I'd try #asfinfra  in ASF
Slack.

Best,
Alex

On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 12:26 PM Henrik Ingo  wrote:

> Hi. The ticket seems to be stalled now. Do I need to assign it to someone
> or poke someone or slack or?
>
> Henrik
>
> On Sat, 28 Dec 2024, 20.31 ,  wrote:
>
> > Thanks, Henrik!
> >
> > > On Dec 28, 2024, at 9:22 AM, Henrik Ingo  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> >
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/PODLINGNAMESEARCH/issues/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-230
> > >
> > >> On Fri, 20 Dec 2024, 22.06 Dave Fisher,  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Create a new PODLINGNAMESEARCH issue for Otava. Once that is approved
> we
> > >> can ask INFRA and mentors to make the needed name changes.
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >> Dave
> > >>
> > >>> On Dec 20, 2024, at 9:50 AM, Alexander Sorokoumov <
> > >> aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> It looks like we have a winner!
> > >>>
> > >>> What are the next steps, propose the new name in
> PODLINGNAMESEARCH-228?
> > >>>
> >  On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 3:52 PM Mick Semb Wever 
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> >  I'm fond of Otava too.  Very nice suggestion there.
> > 
> > 
> >  On Thu, 19 Dec 2024, at 05:01, Henrik Ingo wrote:
> > >
> > 
> > >>
> >
> https://www.vastavalo.net/tahtikuvio-iso-otava-otava-taivaalla-699408.html
> > >
> > > Yes, I like Otava too.
> > >
> > > henrik
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 7:50 PM Matt Fleming 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I vote for Otava also.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Matt
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 at 17:47, Alexander Sorokoumov <
> > >> aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I also like Otava with its beautiful lore. It looks to me that it
> > is
> >  also
> > >>> your preference, Henrik and Sean, right?
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 6:27 AM Sean McCarthy <
> > >> sean.mccarthy@gmail.com
> > 
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> >  I quite like Otava, and Tapio is good too. Both have great
> > >> iconography. I
> >  think I have a preference for Otava, given what Henrik said:
> > 
> > > It was crucial for... (drumroll) … navigation (whether on the
> >  sea or
> > >>> in
> >  a forest) because its tail points directly to the North Star.
> Also
> >  the
> >  stars themselves visually look like change points on a graph
> > 
> > 
> > > On Dec 17, 2024, at 4:37 AM, Henrik Ingo 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Ah right. I guess I like multiple options as potentially good.
> > Now
> > >> that
> >  you
> > > mention it, I thought of the vote more as a poll. It would be
> > >>> interesting
> > > to see if there's some alternative that kind of "sticks out".
> But
> > >> maybe
> >  to
> > > facilitate a discussion toward potential consensus, let me
> >  aggregate
> > >>> all
> > > presented options into a single email at least:
> > >
> > > Apache Ghunter
> > > Apache Tapio
> > > Apache Sawa
> > > Apache Mielikki
> > > Apache Chaser
> > > Apache Suunnistus
> > > Apache Otava
> > > Apache Karen
> > >
> > >
> > > My apologies Mick, when compiling this list I realized your
> email
> >  actually
> > > contained a suggestion too. Don't know how I missed it
> originally
> >  as
> > >> it
> >  is
> > > quite clear and a good suggestion.
> > >
> > > Eddie and Midnight I'll disqualify due to apparent risk of
> >  trademark
> > > infringement.
> > >
> > > From the above list, I sometimes wonder whether we should ask
> >  legal
> >  counsel
> > > for advice on the following:
> > >
> > > Apache Ghunter -> Is it a problem if it rhymes with the
> > previously
> > > disqualified name?
> > >
> > > Tapio and Mielikkki -> Is it a problem that they are related to
> >  the
> > > mythical character known as Nyrkiö (my company)
> > >
> > > Apache Karen -> Probably offensive?
> > >
> > > Actually, Apache Chaser, as it is a synonym of the disqualified
> >  name,
> >  could
> > > be good to check as well.
> > >
> > >
> > > Even so, from the above list I actually like Apache Otava.
> > >> Personally I
> > > never felt like I hunt for regressions, nor do I chase them. I
> >  simply
> >  find
> > > them. Otava (Big Bear star constellation) is a perfect symbol
> for
> > >> that.
> > >
> > > henrik
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 2:06 AM Dave Fisher 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Generally at the ASF we prefer to fin

Re: Trademarks did not approve of Apache Hunter

[Henrik Ingo]

Hi. The ticket seems to be stalled now. Do I need to assign it to someone
or poke someone or slack or?

Henrik

On Sat, 28 Dec 2024, 20.31 ,  wrote:

> Thanks, Henrik!
>
> > On Dec 28, 2024, at 9:22 AM, Henrik Ingo  wrote:
> >
> > 
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/PODLINGNAMESEARCH/issues/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-230
> >
> >> On Fri, 20 Dec 2024, 22.06 Dave Fisher,  wrote:
> >>
> >> Create a new PODLINGNAMESEARCH issue for Otava. Once that is approved we
> >> can ask INFRA and mentors to make the needed name changes.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>> On Dec 20, 2024, at 9:50 AM, Alexander Sorokoumov <
> >> aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It looks like we have a winner!
> >>>
> >>> What are the next steps, propose the new name in PODLINGNAMESEARCH-228?
> >>>
>  On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 3:52 PM Mick Semb Wever 
> wrote:
> >>>
>  I'm fond of Otava too.  Very nice suggestion there.
> 
> 
>  On Thu, 19 Dec 2024, at 05:01, Henrik Ingo wrote:
> >
> 
> >>
> https://www.vastavalo.net/tahtikuvio-iso-otava-otava-taivaalla-699408.html
> >
> > Yes, I like Otava too.
> >
> > henrik
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 7:50 PM Matt Fleming 
> wrote:
> >
> >> I vote for Otava also.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Matt
> >>
> >> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 at 17:47, Alexander Sorokoumov <
> >> aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I also like Otava with its beautiful lore. It looks to me that it
> is
>  also
> >>> your preference, Henrik and Sean, right?
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 6:27 AM Sean McCarthy <
> >> sean.mccarthy@gmail.com
> 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  I quite like Otava, and Tapio is good too. Both have great
> >> iconography. I
>  think I have a preference for Otava, given what Henrik said:
> 
> > It was crucial for... (drumroll) … navigation (whether on the
>  sea or
> >>> in
>  a forest) because its tail points directly to the North Star. Also
>  the
>  stars themselves visually look like change points on a graph
> 
> 
> > On Dec 17, 2024, at 4:37 AM, Henrik Ingo 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Ah right. I guess I like multiple options as potentially good.
> Now
> >> that
>  you
> > mention it, I thought of the vote more as a poll. It would be
> >>> interesting
> > to see if there's some alternative that kind of "sticks out". But
> >> maybe
>  to
> > facilitate a discussion toward potential consensus, let me
>  aggregate
> >>> all
> > presented options into a single email at least:
> >
> > Apache Ghunter
> > Apache Tapio
> > Apache Sawa
> > Apache Mielikki
> > Apache Chaser
> > Apache Suunnistus
> > Apache Otava
> > Apache Karen
> >
> >
> > My apologies Mick, when compiling this list I realized your email
>  actually
> > contained a suggestion too. Don't know how I missed it originally
>  as
> >> it
>  is
> > quite clear and a good suggestion.
> >
> > Eddie and Midnight I'll disqualify due to apparent risk of
>  trademark
> > infringement.
> >
> > From the above list, I sometimes wonder whether we should ask
>  legal
>  counsel
> > for advice on the following:
> >
> > Apache Ghunter -> Is it a problem if it rhymes with the
> previously
> > disqualified name?
> >
> > Tapio and Mielikkki -> Is it a problem that they are related to
>  the
> > mythical character known as Nyrkiö (my company)
> >
> > Apache Karen -> Probably offensive?
> >
> > Actually, Apache Chaser, as it is a synonym of the disqualified
>  name,
>  could
> > be good to check as well.
> >
> >
> > Even so, from the above list I actually like Apache Otava.
> >> Personally I
> > never felt like I hunt for regressions, nor do I chase them. I
>  simply
>  find
> > them. Otava (Big Bear star constellation) is a perfect symbol for
> >> that.
> >
> > henrik
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 2:06 AM Dave Fisher 
>  wrote:
> >
> >> Generally at the ASF we prefer to find consensus rather than
>  voting.
> >>
> >> Is there a consensus on Gunther vs. Tapio (or something else)?
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>> On Dec 16, 2024, at 3:54 PM, Henrik Ingo 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Should we start the voting then?
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, 20.17 Alexander Sorokoumov, <
> >>> aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> 

Re: Trademarks did not approve of Apache Hunter

[aleksandr . sorokoumov]

Thanks, Henrik!

> On Dec 28, 2024, at 9:22 AM, Henrik Ingo  wrote:
> 
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/PODLINGNAMESEARCH/issues/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-230
> 
>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2024, 22.06 Dave Fisher,  wrote:
>> 
>> Create a new PODLINGNAMESEARCH issue for Otava. Once that is approved we
>> can ask INFRA and mentors to make the needed name changes.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Dave
>> 
>>> On Dec 20, 2024, at 9:50 AM, Alexander Sorokoumov <
>> aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It looks like we have a winner!
>>> 
>>> What are the next steps, propose the new name in PODLINGNAMESEARCH-228?
>>> 
 On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 3:52 PM Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
>>> 
 I'm fond of Otava too.  Very nice suggestion there.
 
 
 On Thu, 19 Dec 2024, at 05:01, Henrik Ingo wrote:
> 
 
>> https://www.vastavalo.net/tahtikuvio-iso-otava-otava-taivaalla-699408.html
> 
> Yes, I like Otava too.
> 
> henrik
> 
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 7:50 PM Matt Fleming  wrote:
> 
>> I vote for Otava also.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Matt
>> 
>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 at 17:47, Alexander Sorokoumov <
>> aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I also like Otava with its beautiful lore. It looks to me that it is
 also
>>> your preference, Henrik and Sean, right?
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 6:27 AM Sean McCarthy <
>> sean.mccarthy@gmail.com
 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 I quite like Otava, and Tapio is good too. Both have great
>> iconography. I
 think I have a preference for Otava, given what Henrik said:
 
> It was crucial for... (drumroll) … navigation (whether on the
 sea or
>>> in
 a forest) because its tail points directly to the North Star. Also
 the
 stars themselves visually look like change points on a graph
 
 
> On Dec 17, 2024, at 4:37 AM, Henrik Ingo 
 wrote:
> 
> Ah right. I guess I like multiple options as potentially good. Now
>> that
 you
> mention it, I thought of the vote more as a poll. It would be
>>> interesting
> to see if there's some alternative that kind of "sticks out". But
>> maybe
 to
> facilitate a discussion toward potential consensus, let me
 aggregate
>>> all
> presented options into a single email at least:
> 
> Apache Ghunter
> Apache Tapio
> Apache Sawa
> Apache Mielikki
> Apache Chaser
> Apache Suunnistus
> Apache Otava
> Apache Karen
> 
> 
> My apologies Mick, when compiling this list I realized your email
 actually
> contained a suggestion too. Don't know how I missed it originally
 as
>> it
 is
> quite clear and a good suggestion.
> 
> Eddie and Midnight I'll disqualify due to apparent risk of
 trademark
> infringement.
> 
> From the above list, I sometimes wonder whether we should ask
 legal
 counsel
> for advice on the following:
> 
> Apache Ghunter -> Is it a problem if it rhymes with the previously
> disqualified name?
> 
> Tapio and Mielikkki -> Is it a problem that they are related to
 the
> mythical character known as Nyrkiö (my company)
> 
> Apache Karen -> Probably offensive?
> 
> Actually, Apache Chaser, as it is a synonym of the disqualified
 name,
 could
> be good to check as well.
> 
> 
> Even so, from the above list I actually like Apache Otava.
>> Personally I
> never felt like I hunt for regressions, nor do I chase them. I
 simply
 find
> them. Otava (Big Bear star constellation) is a perfect symbol for
>> that.
> 
> henrik
> 
> 
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 2:06 AM Dave Fisher 
 wrote:
> 
>> Generally at the ASF we prefer to find consensus rather than
 voting.
>> 
>> Is there a consensus on Gunther vs. Tapio (or something else)?
>> 
>> Best,
>> Dave
>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2024, at 3:54 PM, Henrik Ingo 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Should we start the voting then?
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, 20.17 Alexander Sorokoumov, <
>>> aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Personally, I liked Henrik's suggestions, Gunther and Tapio, so
>>> much,
 I
>> do
 not want to look any further :)
 
 On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 2:35 PM Mick Semb Wever <
 m...@apache.org>
 wrote:
 
> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 at 02:16, Henrik Ingo 
>>> wrote:
> 
>> Mick was asking for a name that so

Re: Trademarks did not approve of Apache Hunter

[Henrik Ingo]

https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/PODLINGNAMESEARCH/issues/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-230

On Fri, 20 Dec 2024, 22.06 Dave Fisher,  wrote:

> Create a new PODLINGNAMESEARCH issue for Otava. Once that is approved we
> can ask INFRA and mentors to make the needed name changes.
>
> Best,
> Dave
>
> > On Dec 20, 2024, at 9:50 AM, Alexander Sorokoumov <
> aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > It looks like we have a winner!
> >
> > What are the next steps, propose the new name in PODLINGNAMESEARCH-228?
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 3:52 PM Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
> >
> >> I'm fond of Otava too.  Very nice suggestion there.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, 19 Dec 2024, at 05:01, Henrik Ingo wrote:
> >>>
> >>
> https://www.vastavalo.net/tahtikuvio-iso-otava-otava-taivaalla-699408.html
> >>>
> >>> Yes, I like Otava too.
> >>>
> >>> henrik
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 7:50 PM Matt Fleming  wrote:
> >>>
>  I vote for Otava also.
> 
>  Thanks,
>  Matt
> 
>  On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 at 17:47, Alexander Sorokoumov <
>  aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I also like Otava with its beautiful lore. It looks to me that it is
> >> also
> > your preference, Henrik and Sean, right?
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 6:27 AM Sean McCarthy <
>  sean.mccarthy@gmail.com
> >>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I quite like Otava, and Tapio is good too. Both have great
>  iconography. I
> >> think I have a preference for Otava, given what Henrik said:
> >>
> >>> It was crucial for... (drumroll) … navigation (whether on the
> >> sea or
> > in
> >> a forest) because its tail points directly to the North Star. Also
> >> the
> >> stars themselves visually look like change points on a graph
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Dec 17, 2024, at 4:37 AM, Henrik Ingo 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Ah right. I guess I like multiple options as potentially good. Now
>  that
> >> you
> >>> mention it, I thought of the vote more as a poll. It would be
> > interesting
> >>> to see if there's some alternative that kind of "sticks out". But
>  maybe
> >> to
> >>> facilitate a discussion toward potential consensus, let me
> >> aggregate
> > all
> >>> presented options into a single email at least:
> >>>
> >>> Apache Ghunter
> >>> Apache Tapio
> >>> Apache Sawa
> >>> Apache Mielikki
> >>> Apache Chaser
> >>> Apache Suunnistus
> >>> Apache Otava
> >>> Apache Karen
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> My apologies Mick, when compiling this list I realized your email
> >> actually
> >>> contained a suggestion too. Don't know how I missed it originally
> >> as
>  it
> >> is
> >>> quite clear and a good suggestion.
> >>>
> >>> Eddie and Midnight I'll disqualify due to apparent risk of
> >> trademark
> >>> infringement.
> >>>
> >>> From the above list, I sometimes wonder whether we should ask
> >> legal
> >> counsel
> >>> for advice on the following:
> >>>
> >>> Apache Ghunter -> Is it a problem if it rhymes with the previously
> >>> disqualified name?
> >>>
> >>> Tapio and Mielikkki -> Is it a problem that they are related to
> >> the
> >>> mythical character known as Nyrkiö (my company)
> >>>
> >>> Apache Karen -> Probably offensive?
> >>>
> >>> Actually, Apache Chaser, as it is a synonym of the disqualified
> >> name,
> >> could
> >>> be good to check as well.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Even so, from the above list I actually like Apache Otava.
>  Personally I
> >>> never felt like I hunt for regressions, nor do I chase them. I
> >> simply
> >> find
> >>> them. Otava (Big Bear star constellation) is a perfect symbol for
>  that.
> >>>
> >>> henrik
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 2:06 AM Dave Fisher 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
>  Generally at the ASF we prefer to find consensus rather than
> >> voting.
> 
>  Is there a consensus on Gunther vs. Tapio (or something else)?
> 
>  Best,
>  Dave
> 
> > On Dec 16, 2024, at 3:54 PM, Henrik Ingo 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Should we start the voting then?
> >
> > On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, 20.17 Alexander Sorokoumov, <
> > aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Personally, I liked Henrik's suggestions, Gunther and Tapio, so
> > much,
> >> I
>  do
> >> not want to look any further :)
> >>
> >> On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 2:35 PM Mick Semb Wever <
> >> m...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 at 02:16, Henrik Ingo 
> > wrote:
> >>>
>  Mick was asking for a name that somehow is associated with
> >> the
> > topic
>  of
>  change detection. I feel like Karen and Suunnistus are
> >> pe

Re: Trademarks did not approve of Apache Hunter

[Dave Fisher]

Create a new PODLINGNAMESEARCH issue for Otava. Once that is approved we can 
ask INFRA and mentors to make the needed name changes.

Best,
Dave

> On Dec 20, 2024, at 9:50 AM, Alexander Sorokoumov 
>  wrote:
> 
> It looks like we have a winner!
> 
> What are the next steps, propose the new name in PODLINGNAMESEARCH-228?
> 
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 3:52 PM Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
> 
>> I'm fond of Otava too.  Very nice suggestion there.
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, 19 Dec 2024, at 05:01, Henrik Ingo wrote:
>>> 
>> https://www.vastavalo.net/tahtikuvio-iso-otava-otava-taivaalla-699408.html
>>> 
>>> Yes, I like Otava too.
>>> 
>>> henrik
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 7:50 PM Matt Fleming  wrote:
>>> 
 I vote for Otava also.
 
 Thanks,
 Matt
 
 On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 at 17:47, Alexander Sorokoumov <
 aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
> I also like Otava with its beautiful lore. It looks to me that it is
>> also
> your preference, Henrik and Sean, right?
> 
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 6:27 AM Sean McCarthy <
 sean.mccarthy@gmail.com
>> 
> wrote:
> 
>> I quite like Otava, and Tapio is good too. Both have great
 iconography. I
>> think I have a preference for Otava, given what Henrik said:
>> 
>>> It was crucial for... (drumroll) … navigation (whether on the
>> sea or
> in
>> a forest) because its tail points directly to the North Star. Also
>> the
>> stars themselves visually look like change points on a graph
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2024, at 4:37 AM, Henrik Ingo 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah right. I guess I like multiple options as potentially good. Now
 that
>> you
>>> mention it, I thought of the vote more as a poll. It would be
> interesting
>>> to see if there's some alternative that kind of "sticks out". But
 maybe
>> to
>>> facilitate a discussion toward potential consensus, let me
>> aggregate
> all
>>> presented options into a single email at least:
>>> 
>>> Apache Ghunter
>>> Apache Tapio
>>> Apache Sawa
>>> Apache Mielikki
>>> Apache Chaser
>>> Apache Suunnistus
>>> Apache Otava
>>> Apache Karen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> My apologies Mick, when compiling this list I realized your email
>> actually
>>> contained a suggestion too. Don't know how I missed it originally
>> as
 it
>> is
>>> quite clear and a good suggestion.
>>> 
>>> Eddie and Midnight I'll disqualify due to apparent risk of
>> trademark
>>> infringement.
>>> 
>>> From the above list, I sometimes wonder whether we should ask
>> legal
>> counsel
>>> for advice on the following:
>>> 
>>> Apache Ghunter -> Is it a problem if it rhymes with the previously
>>> disqualified name?
>>> 
>>> Tapio and Mielikkki -> Is it a problem that they are related to
>> the
>>> mythical character known as Nyrkiö (my company)
>>> 
>>> Apache Karen -> Probably offensive?
>>> 
>>> Actually, Apache Chaser, as it is a synonym of the disqualified
>> name,
>> could
>>> be good to check as well.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Even so, from the above list I actually like Apache Otava.
 Personally I
>>> never felt like I hunt for regressions, nor do I chase them. I
>> simply
>> find
>>> them. Otava (Big Bear star constellation) is a perfect symbol for
 that.
>>> 
>>> henrik
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 2:06 AM Dave Fisher 
>> wrote:
>>> 
 Generally at the ASF we prefer to find consensus rather than
>> voting.
 
 Is there a consensus on Gunther vs. Tapio (or something else)?
 
 Best,
 Dave
 
> On Dec 16, 2024, at 3:54 PM, Henrik Ingo 
 wrote:
> 
> Should we start the voting then?
> 
> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, 20.17 Alexander Sorokoumov, <
> aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Personally, I liked Henrik's suggestions, Gunther and Tapio, so
> much,
>> I
 do
>> not want to look any further :)
>> 
>> On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 2:35 PM Mick Semb Wever <
>> m...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 at 02:16, Henrik Ingo 
> wrote:
>>> 
 Mick was asking for a name that somehow is associated with
>> the
> topic
 of
 change detection. I feel like Karen and Suunnistus are
>> perhaps
 not
>> quite
 what you asked for?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'm not asking for anything.  Was only contributing to ideas
 (open
 mode).
>>> Up to y'all to land what you want.
>>> 
>> 
 
 
>> 
>> 
> 
 
>> 

Re: Trademarks did not approve of Apache Hunter

[Alexander Sorokoumov]

It looks like we have a winner!

What are the next steps, propose the new name in PODLINGNAMESEARCH-228?

On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 3:52 PM Mick Semb Wever  wrote:

> I'm fond of Otava too.  Very nice suggestion there.
>
>
> On Thu, 19 Dec 2024, at 05:01, Henrik Ingo wrote:
> >
> https://www.vastavalo.net/tahtikuvio-iso-otava-otava-taivaalla-699408.html
> >
> > Yes, I like Otava too.
> >
> > henrik
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 7:50 PM Matt Fleming  wrote:
> >
> >> I vote for Otava also.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Matt
> >>
> >> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 at 17:47, Alexander Sorokoumov <
> >> aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I also like Otava with its beautiful lore. It looks to me that it is
> also
> >> > your preference, Henrik and Sean, right?
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 6:27 AM Sean McCarthy <
> >> sean.mccarthy@gmail.com
> >> > >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I quite like Otava, and Tapio is good too. Both have great
> >> iconography. I
> >> > > think I have a preference for Otava, given what Henrik said:
> >> > >
> >> > > >  It was crucial for... (drumroll) … navigation (whether on the
> sea or
> >> > in
> >> > > a forest) because its tail points directly to the North Star. Also
> the
> >> > > stars themselves visually look like change points on a graph
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > On Dec 17, 2024, at 4:37 AM, Henrik Ingo 
> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Ah right. I guess I like multiple options as potentially good. Now
> >> that
> >> > > you
> >> > > > mention it, I thought of the vote more as a poll. It would be
> >> > interesting
> >> > > > to see if there's some alternative that kind of "sticks out". But
> >> maybe
> >> > > to
> >> > > > facilitate a discussion toward potential consensus, let me
> aggregate
> >> > all
> >> > > > presented options into a single email at least:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Apache Ghunter
> >> > > > Apache Tapio
> >> > > > Apache Sawa
> >> > > > Apache Mielikki
> >> > > > Apache Chaser
> >> > > > Apache Suunnistus
> >> > > > Apache Otava
> >> > > > Apache Karen
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > My apologies Mick, when compiling this list I realized your email
> >> > > actually
> >> > > > contained a suggestion too. Don't know how I missed it originally
> as
> >> it
> >> > > is
> >> > > > quite clear and a good suggestion.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Eddie and Midnight I'll disqualify due to apparent risk of
> trademark
> >> > > > infringement.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > From the above list, I sometimes wonder whether we should ask
> legal
> >> > > counsel
> >> > > > for advice on the following:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Apache Ghunter -> Is it a problem if it rhymes with the previously
> >> > > > disqualified name?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Tapio and Mielikkki -> Is it a problem that they are related to
> the
> >> > > > mythical character known as Nyrkiö (my company)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Apache Karen -> Probably offensive?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Actually, Apache Chaser, as it is a synonym of the disqualified
> name,
> >> > > could
> >> > > > be good to check as well.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Even so, from the above list I actually like Apache Otava.
> >> Personally I
> >> > > > never felt like I hunt for regressions, nor do I chase them. I
> simply
> >> > > find
> >> > > > them. Otava (Big Bear star constellation) is a perfect symbol for
> >> that.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > henrik
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 2:06 AM Dave Fisher 
> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> Generally at the ASF we prefer to find consensus rather than
> voting.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Is there a consensus on Gunther vs. Tapio (or something else)?
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Best,
> >> > > >> Dave
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>> On Dec 16, 2024, at 3:54 PM, Henrik Ingo 
> >> wrote:
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Should we start the voting then?
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, 20.17 Alexander Sorokoumov, <
> >> > > >>> aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > >>>
> >> > >  Personally, I liked Henrik's suggestions, Gunther and Tapio, so
> >> > much,
> >> > > I
> >> > > >> do
> >> > >  not want to look any further :)
> >> > > 
> >> > >  On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 2:35 PM Mick Semb Wever <
> m...@apache.org>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > 
> >> > > > On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 at 02:16, Henrik Ingo 
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> Mick was asking for a name that somehow is associated with
> the
> >> > topic
> >> > > >> of
> >> > > >> change detection. I feel like Karen and Suunnistus are
> perhaps
> >> not
> >> > >  quite
> >> > > >> what you asked for?
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I'm not asking for anything.  Was only contributing to ideas
> >> (open
> >> > > >> mode).
> >> > > > Up to y'all to land what you want.
> >> > > >
> >> > > 
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
>

Re: Trademarks did not approve of Apache Hunter

[Mick Semb Wever]

I'm fond of Otava too.  Very nice suggestion there.


On Thu, 19 Dec 2024, at 05:01, Henrik Ingo wrote:
> https://www.vastavalo.net/tahtikuvio-iso-otava-otava-taivaalla-699408.html
>
> Yes, I like Otava too.
>
> henrik
>
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 7:50 PM Matt Fleming  wrote:
>
>> I vote for Otava also.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Matt
>>
>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 at 17:47, Alexander Sorokoumov <
>> aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I also like Otava with its beautiful lore. It looks to me that it is also
>> > your preference, Henrik and Sean, right?
>> >
>> > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 6:27 AM Sean McCarthy <
>> sean.mccarthy@gmail.com
>> > >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > I quite like Otava, and Tapio is good too. Both have great
>> iconography. I
>> > > think I have a preference for Otava, given what Henrik said:
>> > >
>> > > >  It was crucial for... (drumroll) … navigation (whether on the sea or
>> > in
>> > > a forest) because its tail points directly to the North Star. Also the
>> > > stars themselves visually look like change points on a graph
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > On Dec 17, 2024, at 4:37 AM, Henrik Ingo  wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Ah right. I guess I like multiple options as potentially good. Now
>> that
>> > > you
>> > > > mention it, I thought of the vote more as a poll. It would be
>> > interesting
>> > > > to see if there's some alternative that kind of "sticks out". But
>> maybe
>> > > to
>> > > > facilitate a discussion toward potential consensus, let me aggregate
>> > all
>> > > > presented options into a single email at least:
>> > > >
>> > > > Apache Ghunter
>> > > > Apache Tapio
>> > > > Apache Sawa
>> > > > Apache Mielikki
>> > > > Apache Chaser
>> > > > Apache Suunnistus
>> > > > Apache Otava
>> > > > Apache Karen
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > My apologies Mick, when compiling this list I realized your email
>> > > actually
>> > > > contained a suggestion too. Don't know how I missed it originally as
>> it
>> > > is
>> > > > quite clear and a good suggestion.
>> > > >
>> > > > Eddie and Midnight I'll disqualify due to apparent risk of trademark
>> > > > infringement.
>> > > >
>> > > > From the above list, I sometimes wonder whether we should ask legal
>> > > counsel
>> > > > for advice on the following:
>> > > >
>> > > > Apache Ghunter -> Is it a problem if it rhymes with the previously
>> > > > disqualified name?
>> > > >
>> > > > Tapio and Mielikkki -> Is it a problem that they are related to the
>> > > > mythical character known as Nyrkiö (my company)
>> > > >
>> > > > Apache Karen -> Probably offensive?
>> > > >
>> > > > Actually, Apache Chaser, as it is a synonym of the disqualified name,
>> > > could
>> > > > be good to check as well.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Even so, from the above list I actually like Apache Otava.
>> Personally I
>> > > > never felt like I hunt for regressions, nor do I chase them. I simply
>> > > find
>> > > > them. Otava (Big Bear star constellation) is a perfect symbol for
>> that.
>> > > >
>> > > > henrik
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 2:06 AM Dave Fisher  wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> Generally at the ASF we prefer to find consensus rather than voting.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Is there a consensus on Gunther vs. Tapio (or something else)?
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Best,
>> > > >> Dave
>> > > >>
>> > > >>> On Dec 16, 2024, at 3:54 PM, Henrik Ingo 
>> wrote:
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Should we start the voting then?
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, 20.17 Alexander Sorokoumov, <
>> > > >>> aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >>>
>> > >  Personally, I liked Henrik's suggestions, Gunther and Tapio, so
>> > much,
>> > > I
>> > > >> do
>> > >  not want to look any further :)
>> > > 
>> > >  On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 2:35 PM Mick Semb Wever 
>> > > wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > > On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 at 02:16, Henrik Ingo 
>> > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> Mick was asking for a name that somehow is associated with the
>> > topic
>> > > >> of
>> > > >> change detection. I feel like Karen and Suunnistus are perhaps
>> not
>> > >  quite
>> > > >> what you asked for?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > I'm not asking for anything.  Was only contributing to ideas
>> (open
>> > > >> mode).
>> > > > Up to y'all to land what you want.
>> > > >
>> > > 
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>

Re: Trademarks did not approve of Apache Hunter

[Henrik Ingo]

https://www.vastavalo.net/tahtikuvio-iso-otava-otava-taivaalla-699408.html

Yes, I like Otava too.

henrik

On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 7:50 PM Matt Fleming  wrote:

> I vote for Otava also.
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 at 17:47, Alexander Sorokoumov <
> aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I also like Otava with its beautiful lore. It looks to me that it is also
> > your preference, Henrik and Sean, right?
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 6:27 AM Sean McCarthy <
> sean.mccarthy@gmail.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I quite like Otava, and Tapio is good too. Both have great
> iconography. I
> > > think I have a preference for Otava, given what Henrik said:
> > >
> > > >  It was crucial for... (drumroll) … navigation (whether on the sea or
> > in
> > > a forest) because its tail points directly to the North Star. Also the
> > > stars themselves visually look like change points on a graph
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Dec 17, 2024, at 4:37 AM, Henrik Ingo  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ah right. I guess I like multiple options as potentially good. Now
> that
> > > you
> > > > mention it, I thought of the vote more as a poll. It would be
> > interesting
> > > > to see if there's some alternative that kind of "sticks out". But
> maybe
> > > to
> > > > facilitate a discussion toward potential consensus, let me aggregate
> > all
> > > > presented options into a single email at least:
> > > >
> > > > Apache Ghunter
> > > > Apache Tapio
> > > > Apache Sawa
> > > > Apache Mielikki
> > > > Apache Chaser
> > > > Apache Suunnistus
> > > > Apache Otava
> > > > Apache Karen
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My apologies Mick, when compiling this list I realized your email
> > > actually
> > > > contained a suggestion too. Don't know how I missed it originally as
> it
> > > is
> > > > quite clear and a good suggestion.
> > > >
> > > > Eddie and Midnight I'll disqualify due to apparent risk of trademark
> > > > infringement.
> > > >
> > > > From the above list, I sometimes wonder whether we should ask legal
> > > counsel
> > > > for advice on the following:
> > > >
> > > > Apache Ghunter -> Is it a problem if it rhymes with the previously
> > > > disqualified name?
> > > >
> > > > Tapio and Mielikkki -> Is it a problem that they are related to the
> > > > mythical character known as Nyrkiö (my company)
> > > >
> > > > Apache Karen -> Probably offensive?
> > > >
> > > > Actually, Apache Chaser, as it is a synonym of the disqualified name,
> > > could
> > > > be good to check as well.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Even so, from the above list I actually like Apache Otava.
> Personally I
> > > > never felt like I hunt for regressions, nor do I chase them. I simply
> > > find
> > > > them. Otava (Big Bear star constellation) is a perfect symbol for
> that.
> > > >
> > > > henrik
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 2:06 AM Dave Fisher  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Generally at the ASF we prefer to find consensus rather than voting.
> > > >>
> > > >> Is there a consensus on Gunther vs. Tapio (or something else)?
> > > >>
> > > >> Best,
> > > >> Dave
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Dec 16, 2024, at 3:54 PM, Henrik Ingo 
> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Should we start the voting then?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, 20.17 Alexander Sorokoumov, <
> > > >>> aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > >  Personally, I liked Henrik's suggestions, Gunther and Tapio, so
> > much,
> > > I
> > > >> do
> > >  not want to look any further :)
> > > 
> > >  On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 2:35 PM Mick Semb Wever 
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 at 02:16, Henrik Ingo 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Mick was asking for a name that somehow is associated with the
> > topic
> > > >> of
> > > >> change detection. I feel like Karen and Suunnistus are perhaps
> not
> > >  quite
> > > >> what you asked for?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm not asking for anything.  Was only contributing to ideas
> (open
> > > >> mode).
> > > > Up to y'all to land what you want.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: Trademarks did not approve of Apache Hunter

[Matt Fleming]

I vote for Otava also.

Thanks,
Matt

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 at 17:47, Alexander Sorokoumov <
aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I also like Otava with its beautiful lore. It looks to me that it is also
> your preference, Henrik and Sean, right?
>
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 6:27 AM Sean McCarthy  >
> wrote:
>
> > I quite like Otava, and Tapio is good too. Both have great iconography. I
> > think I have a preference for Otava, given what Henrik said:
> >
> > >  It was crucial for... (drumroll) … navigation (whether on the sea or
> in
> > a forest) because its tail points directly to the North Star. Also the
> > stars themselves visually look like change points on a graph
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 17, 2024, at 4:37 AM, Henrik Ingo  wrote:
> > >
> > > Ah right. I guess I like multiple options as potentially good. Now that
> > you
> > > mention it, I thought of the vote more as a poll. It would be
> interesting
> > > to see if there's some alternative that kind of "sticks out". But maybe
> > to
> > > facilitate a discussion toward potential consensus, let me aggregate
> all
> > > presented options into a single email at least:
> > >
> > > Apache Ghunter
> > > Apache Tapio
> > > Apache Sawa
> > > Apache Mielikki
> > > Apache Chaser
> > > Apache Suunnistus
> > > Apache Otava
> > > Apache Karen
> > >
> > >
> > > My apologies Mick, when compiling this list I realized your email
> > actually
> > > contained a suggestion too. Don't know how I missed it originally as it
> > is
> > > quite clear and a good suggestion.
> > >
> > > Eddie and Midnight I'll disqualify due to apparent risk of trademark
> > > infringement.
> > >
> > > From the above list, I sometimes wonder whether we should ask legal
> > counsel
> > > for advice on the following:
> > >
> > > Apache Ghunter -> Is it a problem if it rhymes with the previously
> > > disqualified name?
> > >
> > > Tapio and Mielikkki -> Is it a problem that they are related to the
> > > mythical character known as Nyrkiö (my company)
> > >
> > > Apache Karen -> Probably offensive?
> > >
> > > Actually, Apache Chaser, as it is a synonym of the disqualified name,
> > could
> > > be good to check as well.
> > >
> > >
> > > Even so, from the above list I actually like Apache Otava. Personally I
> > > never felt like I hunt for regressions, nor do I chase them. I simply
> > find
> > > them. Otava (Big Bear star constellation) is a perfect symbol for that.
> > >
> > > henrik
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 2:06 AM Dave Fisher  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Generally at the ASF we prefer to find consensus rather than voting.
> > >>
> > >> Is there a consensus on Gunther vs. Tapio (or something else)?
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >> Dave
> > >>
> > >>> On Dec 16, 2024, at 3:54 PM, Henrik Ingo  wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Should we start the voting then?
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, 20.17 Alexander Sorokoumov, <
> > >>> aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> >  Personally, I liked Henrik's suggestions, Gunther and Tapio, so
> much,
> > I
> > >> do
> >  not want to look any further :)
> > 
> >  On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 2:35 PM Mick Semb Wever 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 at 02:16, Henrik Ingo 
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Mick was asking for a name that somehow is associated with the
> topic
> > >> of
> > >> change detection. I feel like Karen and Suunnistus are perhaps not
> >  quite
> > >> what you asked for?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm not asking for anything.  Was only contributing to ideas (open
> > >> mode).
> > > Up to y'all to land what you want.
> > >
> > 
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
>

Re: Trademarks did not approve of Apache Hunter

[Alexander Sorokoumov]

I also like Otava with its beautiful lore. It looks to me that it is also
your preference, Henrik and Sean, right?

On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 6:27 AM Sean McCarthy 
wrote:

> I quite like Otava, and Tapio is good too. Both have great iconography. I
> think I have a preference for Otava, given what Henrik said:
>
> >  It was crucial for... (drumroll) … navigation (whether on the sea or in
> a forest) because its tail points directly to the North Star. Also the
> stars themselves visually look like change points on a graph
>
>
> > On Dec 17, 2024, at 4:37 AM, Henrik Ingo  wrote:
> >
> > Ah right. I guess I like multiple options as potentially good. Now that
> you
> > mention it, I thought of the vote more as a poll. It would be interesting
> > to see if there's some alternative that kind of "sticks out". But maybe
> to
> > facilitate a discussion toward potential consensus, let me aggregate all
> > presented options into a single email at least:
> >
> > Apache Ghunter
> > Apache Tapio
> > Apache Sawa
> > Apache Mielikki
> > Apache Chaser
> > Apache Suunnistus
> > Apache Otava
> > Apache Karen
> >
> >
> > My apologies Mick, when compiling this list I realized your email
> actually
> > contained a suggestion too. Don't know how I missed it originally as it
> is
> > quite clear and a good suggestion.
> >
> > Eddie and Midnight I'll disqualify due to apparent risk of trademark
> > infringement.
> >
> > From the above list, I sometimes wonder whether we should ask legal
> counsel
> > for advice on the following:
> >
> > Apache Ghunter -> Is it a problem if it rhymes with the previously
> > disqualified name?
> >
> > Tapio and Mielikkki -> Is it a problem that they are related to the
> > mythical character known as Nyrkiö (my company)
> >
> > Apache Karen -> Probably offensive?
> >
> > Actually, Apache Chaser, as it is a synonym of the disqualified name,
> could
> > be good to check as well.
> >
> >
> > Even so, from the above list I actually like Apache Otava. Personally I
> > never felt like I hunt for regressions, nor do I chase them. I simply
> find
> > them. Otava (Big Bear star constellation) is a perfect symbol for that.
> >
> > henrik
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 2:06 AM Dave Fisher  wrote:
> >
> >> Generally at the ASF we prefer to find consensus rather than voting.
> >>
> >> Is there a consensus on Gunther vs. Tapio (or something else)?
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>> On Dec 16, 2024, at 3:54 PM, Henrik Ingo  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Should we start the voting then?
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, 20.17 Alexander Sorokoumov, <
> >>> aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  Personally, I liked Henrik's suggestions, Gunther and Tapio, so much,
> I
> >> do
>  not want to look any further :)
> 
>  On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 2:35 PM Mick Semb Wever 
> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 at 02:16, Henrik Ingo  wrote:
> >
> >> Mick was asking for a name that somehow is associated with the topic
> >> of
> >> change detection. I feel like Karen and Suunnistus are perhaps not
>  quite
> >> what you asked for?
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm not asking for anything.  Was only contributing to ideas (open
> >> mode).
> > Up to y'all to land what you want.
> >
> 
> >>
> >>
>
>

Re: Trademarks did not approve of Apache Hunter

[Sean McCarthy]

I quite like Otava, and Tapio is good too. Both have great iconography. I think 
I have a preference for Otava, given what Henrik said: 

>  It was crucial for... (drumroll) … navigation (whether on the sea or in a 
> forest) because its tail points directly to the North Star. Also the stars 
> themselves visually look like change points on a graph


> On Dec 17, 2024, at 4:37 AM, Henrik Ingo  wrote:
> 
> Ah right. I guess I like multiple options as potentially good. Now that you
> mention it, I thought of the vote more as a poll. It would be interesting
> to see if there's some alternative that kind of "sticks out". But maybe to
> facilitate a discussion toward potential consensus, let me aggregate all
> presented options into a single email at least:
> 
> Apache Ghunter
> Apache Tapio
> Apache Sawa
> Apache Mielikki
> Apache Chaser
> Apache Suunnistus
> Apache Otava
> Apache Karen
> 
> 
> My apologies Mick, when compiling this list I realized your email actually
> contained a suggestion too. Don't know how I missed it originally as it is
> quite clear and a good suggestion.
> 
> Eddie and Midnight I'll disqualify due to apparent risk of trademark
> infringement.
> 
> From the above list, I sometimes wonder whether we should ask legal counsel
> for advice on the following:
> 
> Apache Ghunter -> Is it a problem if it rhymes with the previously
> disqualified name?
> 
> Tapio and Mielikkki -> Is it a problem that they are related to the
> mythical character known as Nyrkiö (my company)
> 
> Apache Karen -> Probably offensive?
> 
> Actually, Apache Chaser, as it is a synonym of the disqualified name, could
> be good to check as well.
> 
> 
> Even so, from the above list I actually like Apache Otava. Personally I
> never felt like I hunt for regressions, nor do I chase them. I simply find
> them. Otava (Big Bear star constellation) is a perfect symbol for that.
> 
> henrik
> 
> 
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 2:06 AM Dave Fisher  wrote:
> 
>> Generally at the ASF we prefer to find consensus rather than voting.
>> 
>> Is there a consensus on Gunther vs. Tapio (or something else)?
>> 
>> Best,
>> Dave
>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2024, at 3:54 PM, Henrik Ingo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Should we start the voting then?
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, 20.17 Alexander Sorokoumov, <
>>> aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Personally, I liked Henrik's suggestions, Gunther and Tapio, so much, I
>> do
 not want to look any further :)
 
 On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 2:35 PM Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
 
> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 at 02:16, Henrik Ingo  wrote:
> 
>> Mick was asking for a name that somehow is associated with the topic
>> of
>> change detection. I feel like Karen and Suunnistus are perhaps not
 quite
>> what you asked for?
> 
> 
> 
> I'm not asking for anything.  Was only contributing to ideas (open
>> mode).
> Up to y'all to land what you want.
> 
 
>> 
>> 

Re: Trademarks did not approve of Apache Hunter

[Henrik Ingo]

Ah right. I guess I like multiple options as potentially good. Now that you
mention it, I thought of the vote more as a poll. It would be interesting
to see if there's some alternative that kind of "sticks out". But maybe to
facilitate a discussion toward potential consensus, let me aggregate all
presented options into a single email at least:

Apache Ghunter
Apache Tapio
Apache Sawa
Apache Mielikki
Apache Chaser
Apache Suunnistus
Apache Otava
Apache Karen


My apologies Mick, when compiling this list I realized your email actually
contained a suggestion too. Don't know how I missed it originally as it is
quite clear and a good suggestion.

Eddie and Midnight I'll disqualify due to apparent risk of trademark
infringement.

>From the above list, I sometimes wonder whether we should ask legal counsel
for advice on the following:

Apache Ghunter -> Is it a problem if it rhymes with the previously
disqualified name?

Tapio and Mielikkki -> Is it a problem that they are related to the
mythical character known as Nyrkiö (my company)

Apache Karen -> Probably offensive?

Actually, Apache Chaser, as it is a synonym of the disqualified name, could
be good to check as well.


Even so, from the above list I actually like Apache Otava. Personally I
never felt like I hunt for regressions, nor do I chase them. I simply find
them. Otava (Big Bear star constellation) is a perfect symbol for that.

henrik


On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 2:06 AM Dave Fisher  wrote:

> Generally at the ASF we prefer to find consensus rather than voting.
>
> Is there a consensus on Gunther vs. Tapio (or something else)?
>
> Best,
> Dave
>
> > On Dec 16, 2024, at 3:54 PM, Henrik Ingo  wrote:
> >
> > Should we start the voting then?
> >
> > On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, 20.17 Alexander Sorokoumov, <
> > aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Personally, I liked Henrik's suggestions, Gunther and Tapio, so much, I
> do
> >> not want to look any further :)
> >>
> >> On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 2:35 PM Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 at 02:16, Henrik Ingo  wrote:
> >>>
>  Mick was asking for a name that somehow is associated with the topic
> of
>  change detection. I feel like Karen and Suunnistus are perhaps not
> >> quite
>  what you asked for?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I'm not asking for anything.  Was only contributing to ideas (open
> mode).
> >>> Up to y'all to land what you want.
> >>>
> >>
>
>

Re: Trademarks did not approve of Apache Hunter

[Dave Fisher]

Generally at the ASF we prefer to find consensus rather than voting.

Is there a consensus on Gunther vs. Tapio (or something else)?

Best,
Dave

> On Dec 16, 2024, at 3:54 PM, Henrik Ingo  wrote:
> 
> Should we start the voting then?
> 
> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, 20.17 Alexander Sorokoumov, <
> aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Personally, I liked Henrik's suggestions, Gunther and Tapio, so much, I do
>> not want to look any further :)
>> 
>> On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 2:35 PM Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 at 02:16, Henrik Ingo  wrote:
>>> 
 Mick was asking for a name that somehow is associated with the topic of
 change detection. I feel like Karen and Suunnistus are perhaps not
>> quite
 what you asked for?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'm not asking for anything.  Was only contributing to ideas (open mode).
>>> Up to y'all to land what you want.
>>> 
>> 

Re: Trademarks did not approve of Apache Hunter

[Henrik Ingo]

Should we start the voting then?

On Mon, 16 Dec 2024, 20.17 Alexander Sorokoumov, <
aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Personally, I liked Henrik's suggestions, Gunther and Tapio, so much, I do
> not want to look any further :)
>
> On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 2:35 PM Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 at 02:16, Henrik Ingo  wrote:
> >
> > > Mick was asking for a name that somehow is associated with the topic of
> > > change detection. I feel like Karen and Suunnistus are perhaps not
> quite
> > > what you asked for?
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm not asking for anything.  Was only contributing to ideas (open mode).
> > Up to y'all to land what you want.
> >
>

Re: Trademarks did not approve of Apache Hunter

[Alexander Sorokoumov]

Personally, I liked Henrik's suggestions, Gunther and Tapio, so much, I do
not want to look any further :)

On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 2:35 PM Mick Semb Wever  wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 at 02:16, Henrik Ingo  wrote:
>
> > Mick was asking for a name that somehow is associated with the topic of
> > change detection. I feel like Karen and Suunnistus are perhaps not quite
> > what you asked for?
>
>
>
> I'm not asking for anything.  Was only contributing to ideas (open mode).
> Up to y'all to land what you want.
>

Re: Trademarks did not approve of Apache Hunter

[Mick Semb Wever]

On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 at 02:16, Henrik Ingo  wrote:

> Mick was asking for a name that somehow is associated with the topic of
> change detection. I feel like Karen and Suunnistus are perhaps not quite
> what you asked for?



I'm not asking for anything.  Was only contributing to ideas (open mode).
Up to y'all to land what you want.

Re: Trademarks did not approve of Apache Hunter

[Henrik Ingo]

Mick was asking for a name that somehow is associated with the topic of
change detection. I feel like Karen and Suunnistus are perhaps not quite
what you asked for? Should we try to explore something more seriously in
that direction? Other than that I don't think I have more ideas  myself.

On Sun, 15 Dec 2024, 0.31 Alexander Sorokoumov, <
aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Since we do not have any more influx of ideas, shall we start a vote? How
> do you want to vote, 72 hours multichoice?
>
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 9:54 AM Alexander Sorokoumov <
> aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Generally not, but now that you publicly made the connection, then yes,
> > > they would.
> >
> > Amazing, looks like I played myself.
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 9:16 AM Henrik Ingo  wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 1:13 AM Alexander Sorokoumov <
> >> aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I absolutely love Gunther with its lore and that it rhymes with
> Hunter,
> >> > even if it comes with an extra commitment :). I also really like
> Tapio.
> >> >
> >> > My 2 proposals are Midnight and Eddie. There is no good reason; I just
> >> like
> >> > the bands The Midnight and Iron Maiden (Eddie is a mascot) :). Since
> we
> >> are
> >> > in a different domain, they should not offend the trademarks, should
> >> they?
> >> >
> >>
> >> Generally not, but now that you publicly made the connection, then yes,
> >> they would.
> >>
> >> Linux Mandrake eventually had to change its name for this reason. (I
> guess
> >> they had the cartoon figure as their mascot too.)
> >>
> >> Apple (Steve Jobs vs Beatles) is another famous example of being in the
> >> different domain and still getting into trouble.
> >>
> >
>

Re: Trademarks did not approve of Apache Hunter

[Alexander Sorokoumov]

Since we do not have any more influx of ideas, shall we start a vote? How
do you want to vote, 72 hours multichoice?

On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 9:54 AM Alexander Sorokoumov <
aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Generally not, but now that you publicly made the connection, then yes,
> > they would.
>
> Amazing, looks like I played myself.
>
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 9:16 AM Henrik Ingo  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 1:13 AM Alexander Sorokoumov <
>> aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I absolutely love Gunther with its lore and that it rhymes with Hunter,
>> > even if it comes with an extra commitment :). I also really like Tapio.
>> >
>> > My 2 proposals are Midnight and Eddie. There is no good reason; I just
>> like
>> > the bands The Midnight and Iron Maiden (Eddie is a mascot) :). Since we
>> are
>> > in a different domain, they should not offend the trademarks, should
>> they?
>> >
>>
>> Generally not, but now that you publicly made the connection, then yes,
>> they would.
>>
>> Linux Mandrake eventually had to change its name for this reason. (I guess
>> they had the cartoon figure as their mascot too.)
>>
>> Apple (Steve Jobs vs Beatles) is another famous example of being in the
>> different domain and still getting into trouble.
>>
>

Re: Trademarks did not approve of Apache Hunter

[Alexander Sorokoumov]

> Generally not, but now that you publicly made the connection, then yes,
> they would.

Amazing, looks like I played myself.

On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 9:16 AM Henrik Ingo  wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 1:13 AM Alexander Sorokoumov <
> aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I absolutely love Gunther with its lore and that it rhymes with Hunter,
> > even if it comes with an extra commitment :). I also really like Tapio.
> >
> > My 2 proposals are Midnight and Eddie. There is no good reason; I just
> like
> > the bands The Midnight and Iron Maiden (Eddie is a mascot) :). Since we
> are
> > in a different domain, they should not offend the trademarks, should
> they?
> >
>
> Generally not, but now that you publicly made the connection, then yes,
> they would.
>
> Linux Mandrake eventually had to change its name for this reason. (I guess
> they had the cartoon figure as their mascot too.)
>
> Apple (Steve Jobs vs Beatles) is another famous example of being in the
> different domain and still getting into trouble.
>

Re: Trademarks did not approve of Apache Hunter

[Henrik Ingo]

On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 1:13 AM Alexander Sorokoumov <
aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I absolutely love Gunther with its lore and that it rhymes with Hunter,
> even if it comes with an extra commitment :). I also really like Tapio.
>
> My 2 proposals are Midnight and Eddie. There is no good reason; I just like
> the bands The Midnight and Iron Maiden (Eddie is a mascot) :). Since we are
> in a different domain, they should not offend the trademarks, should they?
>

Generally not, but now that you publicly made the connection, then yes,
they would.

Linux Mandrake eventually had to change its name for this reason. (I guess
they had the cartoon figure as their mascot too.)

Apple (Steve Jobs vs Beatles) is another famous example of being in the
different domain and still getting into trouble.

Re: Trademarks did not approve of Apache Hunter

[Henrik Ingo]

On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 11:42 PM mck  wrote:

> From the sidelines, I'd be inclined to show support for something that
> alludes quickly to CPD or performance regression testing.  Hunter was
> fantastic in this sense.  My offering is a clear synonym of Hunter: Apache
> Chaser.
>
>
The best I've thought of so far that would actually refer to change point
detection would be "Apache Karen". Karen helps spot even the smallest
changes and preserve status quo...

But yeah, let's keep brainstorming...

Re: Trademarks did not approve of Apache Hunter

[Henrik Ingo]

Dave, I share this association as well! In fact, when we plot performance
results on a graph, or 50 graphs, and then mark change points with a red
dot, it reminds me of how trails in the woods might be marked with red dots
on trees and fence posts.

All of the forest spirits of Finland, Tapio, Mielikki (and Nyyrikki) share
this aspect as well. They would help a wanderer (or hunter) find their way
back home.

For whatever reason I'm not particularly excited about "suunnistus"... It
reminds me of mosqituous and cold rain... But in the same spirit, may I
suggest "Otava".

Otava is the most distinguishable star constellation in the Finnish sky. In
English known as the Big Bear. It was crucial for... (drumroll) ...
navigation (whether on the sea or in a forest) because its tail points
directly to the North Star. Also the stars themselves visually look like
change points on a graph, so the logo is there for free.

Apache Otava is quite a tongue twister though. But I believe common usage
would be just Otava.

henrik

On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 12:43 AM Dave Fisher  wrote:

> Random thought from this peanut -
>
> Hunter is a bit like Orienteering - "a competitive sport in which
> participants find their way to various checkpoints across rough country
> with the aid of a map and compass, the winner being the one with the lowest
> elapsed time."
>
> The Finnish word for that according to Google translate is “Suunnistus”
>
> > On Dec 11, 2024, at 1:41 PM, mck  wrote:
> >
> > From the sidelines, I'd be inclined to show support for something that
> alludes quickly to CPD or performance regression testing.  Hunter was
> fantastic in this sense.  My offering is a clear synonym of Hunter: Apache
> Chaser.
> >
> > I was at first a bit upset at the rejection.  Hunter is such a generic
> term, that it felt derogatory to reduce a rich indigenous culture to a
> primitive action.  But it only takes a few google searches to see the
> phrase has a strong north american connotation in place.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 12 Dec 2024, at 07:55, Henrik Ingo wrote:
> >> I had anticipated this, I realized the problem when myself googling for
> >> Apache Hunter
> >>
> >> Ideas:
> >> - Apache Gunther
> >>
> >> I tried to come up with all kinds of birth stories for this name.
> Perhaps
> >> the one most close to actual reality is that Alexander lived in Munich
> when
> >> we first met (over zoom, covid) and decided to start the hunter
> project. As
> >> Alexander eventually wasn't assigned to work on the project and then
> moved
> >> away from Germany, it's not avery strong story. Perhaps the best
> argument
> >> for this name is that it's clearly not American in any way :-D
> >>
> >> If we choose this name we must commit to meet every year at the
> Oktoberfest
> >> ;-P
> >>
> >>
> >> - Sawa
> >>
> >> A nod to Hunter's actual roots in Warsawa, Poland. In the legend Sawa is
> >> either the sister, wife or mermaid to Wars, and together they settle to
> >> live where Warsawa is today.
> >>
> >>
> >> - Tapio
> >>
> >> ...or something else from the vast Finnish mythology. Tapio is the god
> of
> >> the forest and animals. Often depicted with shamanic horns but
> sometimes it
> >> is thought that he is the bear!
> >>
> >> Tapio is the father to a certain Nyyrikki/Nyrkiö. This would create a
> >> similar relationship between the two trademarks as Tux (Linux
> Foundation /
> >> Torvalds) -> Emperor Linux (for profit vendor).
> >>
> >>
> >> henrik
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 4:50 AM Alexander Sorokoumov <
> >> aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> This is a little upsetting. What do you think about using the rest of
> the
> >>> week to propose and discuss name suggestions in this thread, then
> starting
> >>> a vote next Monday?
> >>>
> >>> Naturally, when suggesting a name we should follow
> >>> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>> Alex
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 2:53 PM Dave Fisher  wrote:
> >>>
>  The rationale was sent on private mailing lists so I forwarded it to
>  private@hunter
> 
> > On Dec 10, 2024, at 2:13 PM, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
> >
> > I'm still looking/waiting for the rationale for this decision.
> >
> > On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 at 08:31, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi -
> >>
> >> You may have seen on PODLINGNAMESEARCH-228 and the Incubator list
> that
>  Apache Hunter as a brand is not approved.
> >>
> >> The podling will need to find a new name, better sooner than later.
>  Probably best to change after the hunter repository is created and all
> >>> the
>  code transferred.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Dave
> 
> 
> >>>
>
>

Re: Trademarks did not approve of Apache Hunter

[Alexander Sorokoumov]

I absolutely love Gunther with its lore and that it rhymes with Hunter,
even if it comes with an extra commitment :). I also really like Tapio.

My 2 proposals are Midnight and Eddie. There is no good reason; I just like
the bands The Midnight and Iron Maiden (Eddie is a mascot) :). Since we are
in a different domain, they should not offend the trademarks, should they?

Best,
Alex

On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 2:43 PM Dave Fisher  wrote:

> Random thought from this peanut -
>
> Hunter is a bit like Orienteering - "a competitive sport in which
> participants find their way to various checkpoints across rough country
> with the aid of a map and compass, the winner being the one with the lowest
> elapsed time."
>
> The Finnish word for that according to Google translate is “Suunnistus”
>
> > On Dec 11, 2024, at 1:41 PM, mck  wrote:
> >
> > From the sidelines, I'd be inclined to show support for something that
> alludes quickly to CPD or performance regression testing.  Hunter was
> fantastic in this sense.  My offering is a clear synonym of Hunter: Apache
> Chaser.
> >
> > I was at first a bit upset at the rejection.  Hunter is such a generic
> term, that it felt derogatory to reduce a rich indigenous culture to a
> primitive action.  But it only takes a few google searches to see the
> phrase has a strong north american connotation in place.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 12 Dec 2024, at 07:55, Henrik Ingo wrote:
> >> I had anticipated this, I realized the problem when myself googling for
> >> Apache Hunter
> >>
> >> Ideas:
> >> - Apache Gunther
> >>
> >> I tried to come up with all kinds of birth stories for this name.
> Perhaps
> >> the one most close to actual reality is that Alexander lived in Munich
> when
> >> we first met (over zoom, covid) and decided to start the hunter
> project. As
> >> Alexander eventually wasn't assigned to work on the project and then
> moved
> >> away from Germany, it's not avery strong story. Perhaps the best
> argument
> >> for this name is that it's clearly not American in any way :-D
> >>
> >> If we choose this name we must commit to meet every year at the
> Oktoberfest
> >> ;-P
> >>
> >>
> >> - Sawa
> >>
> >> A nod to Hunter's actual roots in Warsawa, Poland. In the legend Sawa is
> >> either the sister, wife or mermaid to Wars, and together they settle to
> >> live where Warsawa is today.
> >>
> >>
> >> - Tapio
> >>
> >> ...or something else from the vast Finnish mythology. Tapio is the god
> of
> >> the forest and animals. Often depicted with shamanic horns but
> sometimes it
> >> is thought that he is the bear!
> >>
> >> Tapio is the father to a certain Nyyrikki/Nyrkiö. This would create a
> >> similar relationship between the two trademarks as Tux (Linux
> Foundation /
> >> Torvalds) -> Emperor Linux (for profit vendor).
> >>
> >>
> >> henrik
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 4:50 AM Alexander Sorokoumov <
> >> aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> This is a little upsetting. What do you think about using the rest of
> the
> >>> week to propose and discuss name suggestions in this thread, then
> starting
> >>> a vote next Monday?
> >>>
> >>> Naturally, when suggesting a name we should follow
> >>> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>> Alex
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 2:53 PM Dave Fisher  wrote:
> >>>
>  The rationale was sent on private mailing lists so I forwarded it to
>  private@hunter
> 
> > On Dec 10, 2024, at 2:13 PM, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
> >
> > I'm still looking/waiting for the rationale for this decision.
> >
> > On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 at 08:31, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi -
> >>
> >> You may have seen on PODLINGNAMESEARCH-228 and the Incubator list
> that
>  Apache Hunter as a brand is not approved.
> >>
> >> The podling will need to find a new name, better sooner than later.
>  Probably best to change after the hunter repository is created and all
> >>> the
>  code transferred.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Dave
> 
> 
> >>>
>
>

Re: Trademarks did not approve of Apache Hunter

[Dave Fisher]

Random thought from this peanut -

Hunter is a bit like Orienteering - "a competitive sport in which participants 
find their way to various checkpoints across rough country with the aid of a 
map and compass, the winner being the one with the lowest elapsed time."

The Finnish word for that according to Google translate is “Suunnistus”

> On Dec 11, 2024, at 1:41 PM, mck  wrote:
> 
> From the sidelines, I'd be inclined to show support for something that 
> alludes quickly to CPD or performance regression testing.  Hunter was 
> fantastic in this sense.  My offering is a clear synonym of Hunter: Apache 
> Chaser.
> 
> I was at first a bit upset at the rejection.  Hunter is such a generic term, 
> that it felt derogatory to reduce a rich indigenous culture to a primitive 
> action.  But it only takes a few google searches to see the phrase has a 
> strong north american connotation in place.
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 12 Dec 2024, at 07:55, Henrik Ingo wrote:
>> I had anticipated this, I realized the problem when myself googling for
>> Apache Hunter
>> 
>> Ideas:
>> - Apache Gunther
>> 
>> I tried to come up with all kinds of birth stories for this name. Perhaps
>> the one most close to actual reality is that Alexander lived in Munich when
>> we first met (over zoom, covid) and decided to start the hunter project. As
>> Alexander eventually wasn't assigned to work on the project and then moved
>> away from Germany, it's not avery strong story. Perhaps the best argument
>> for this name is that it's clearly not American in any way :-D
>> 
>> If we choose this name we must commit to meet every year at the Oktoberfest
>> ;-P
>> 
>> 
>> - Sawa
>> 
>> A nod to Hunter's actual roots in Warsawa, Poland. In the legend Sawa is
>> either the sister, wife or mermaid to Wars, and together they settle to
>> live where Warsawa is today.
>> 
>> 
>> - Tapio
>> 
>> ...or something else from the vast Finnish mythology. Tapio is the god of
>> the forest and animals. Often depicted with shamanic horns but sometimes it
>> is thought that he is the bear!
>> 
>> Tapio is the father to a certain Nyyrikki/Nyrkiö. This would create a
>> similar relationship between the two trademarks as Tux (Linux Foundation /
>> Torvalds) -> Emperor Linux (for profit vendor).
>> 
>> 
>> henrik
>> 
>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 4:50 AM Alexander Sorokoumov <
>> aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> This is a little upsetting. What do you think about using the rest of the
>>> week to propose and discuss name suggestions in this thread, then starting
>>> a vote next Monday?
>>> 
>>> Naturally, when suggesting a name we should follow
>>> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Alex
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 2:53 PM Dave Fisher  wrote:
>>> 
 The rationale was sent on private mailing lists so I forwarded it to
 private@hunter
 
> On Dec 10, 2024, at 2:13 PM, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
> 
> I'm still looking/waiting for the rationale for this decision.
> 
> On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 at 08:31, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi -
>> 
>> You may have seen on PODLINGNAMESEARCH-228 and the Incubator list that
 Apache Hunter as a brand is not approved.
>> 
>> The podling will need to find a new name, better sooner than later.
 Probably best to change after the hunter repository is created and all
>>> the
 code transferred.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Dave
 
 
>>> 

Re: Trademarks did not approve of Apache Hunter

[mck]

>From the sidelines, I'd be inclined to show support for something that alludes 
>quickly to CPD or performance regression testing.  Hunter was fantastic in 
>this sense.  My offering is a clear synonym of Hunter: Apache Chaser.

I was at first a bit upset at the rejection.  Hunter is such a generic term, 
that it felt derogatory to reduce a rich indigenous culture to a primitive 
action.  But it only takes a few google searches to see the phrase has a strong 
north american connotation in place.



On Thu, 12 Dec 2024, at 07:55, Henrik Ingo wrote:
> I had anticipated this, I realized the problem when myself googling for
> Apache Hunter
>
> Ideas:
>  - Apache Gunther
>
> I tried to come up with all kinds of birth stories for this name. Perhaps
> the one most close to actual reality is that Alexander lived in Munich when
> we first met (over zoom, covid) and decided to start the hunter project. As
> Alexander eventually wasn't assigned to work on the project and then moved
> away from Germany, it's not avery strong story. Perhaps the best argument
> for this name is that it's clearly not American in any way :-D
>
> If we choose this name we must commit to meet every year at the Oktoberfest
> ;-P
>
>
> - Sawa
>
> A nod to Hunter's actual roots in Warsawa, Poland. In the legend Sawa is
> either the sister, wife or mermaid to Wars, and together they settle to
> live where Warsawa is today.
>
>
> - Tapio
>
> ...or something else from the vast Finnish mythology. Tapio is the god of
> the forest and animals. Often depicted with shamanic horns but sometimes it
> is thought that he is the bear!
>
> Tapio is the father to a certain Nyyrikki/Nyrkiö. This would create a
> similar relationship between the two trademarks as Tux (Linux Foundation /
> Torvalds) -> Emperor Linux (for profit vendor).
>
>
> henrik
>
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 4:50 AM Alexander Sorokoumov <
> aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is a little upsetting. What do you think about using the rest of the
>> week to propose and discuss name suggestions in this thread, then starting
>> a vote next Monday?
>>
>> Naturally, when suggesting a name we should follow
>> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html.
>>
>> Best,
>> Alex
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 2:53 PM Dave Fisher  wrote:
>>
>> > The rationale was sent on private mailing lists so I forwarded it to
>> > private@hunter
>> >
>> > > On Dec 10, 2024, at 2:13 PM, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I'm still looking/waiting for the rationale for this decision.
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 at 08:31, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Hi -
>> > >>
>> > >> You may have seen on PODLINGNAMESEARCH-228 and the Incubator list that
>> > Apache Hunter as a brand is not approved.
>> > >>
>> > >> The podling will need to find a new name, better sooner than later.
>> > Probably best to change after the hunter repository is created and all
>> the
>> > code transferred.
>> > >>
>> > >> Best,
>> > >> Dave
>> >
>> >
>>

Re: Trademarks did not approve of Apache Hunter

[Henrik Ingo]

- Mielikki

...Tapio's wife and Nyyrikki's mother. Initially I wanted to add this to
perhaps add some gender balance, but phonetically this is a beautiful name
I think. It's also so Finnish that we would not get into trouble with
trademark review.

henrik

On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 10:55 PM Henrik Ingo  wrote:

> I had anticipated this, I realized the problem when myself googling for
> Apache Hunter
>
> Ideas:
>  - Apache Gunther
>
> I tried to come up with all kinds of birth stories for this name. Perhaps
> the one most close to actual reality is that Alexander lived in Munich when
> we first met (over zoom, covid) and decided to start the hunter project. As
> Alexander eventually wasn't assigned to work on the project and then moved
> away from Germany, it's not avery strong story. Perhaps the best argument
> for this name is that it's clearly not American in any way :-D
>
> If we choose this name we must commit to meet every year at the
> Oktoberfest ;-P
>
>
> - Sawa
>
> A nod to Hunter's actual roots in Warsawa, Poland. In the legend Sawa is
> either the sister, wife or mermaid to Wars, and together they settle to
> live where Warsawa is today.
>
>
> - Tapio
>
> ...or something else from the vast Finnish mythology. Tapio is the god of
> the forest and animals. Often depicted with shamanic horns but sometimes it
> is thought that he is the bear!
>
> Tapio is the father to a certain Nyyrikki/Nyrkiö. This would create a
> similar relationship between the two trademarks as Tux (Linux Foundation /
> Torvalds) -> Emperor Linux (for profit vendor).
>
>
> henrik
>
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 4:50 AM Alexander Sorokoumov <
> aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is a little upsetting. What do you think about using the rest of the
>> week to propose and discuss name suggestions in this thread, then starting
>> a vote next Monday?
>>
>> Naturally, when suggesting a name we should follow
>> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html.
>>
>> Best,
>> Alex
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 2:53 PM Dave Fisher  wrote:
>>
>> > The rationale was sent on private mailing lists so I forwarded it to
>> > private@hunter
>> >
>> > > On Dec 10, 2024, at 2:13 PM, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I'm still looking/waiting for the rationale for this decision.
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 at 08:31, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Hi -
>> > >>
>> > >> You may have seen on PODLINGNAMESEARCH-228 and the Incubator list
>> that
>> > Apache Hunter as a brand is not approved.
>> > >>
>> > >> The podling will need to find a new name, better sooner than later.
>> > Probably best to change after the hunter repository is created and all
>> the
>> > code transferred.
>> > >>
>> > >> Best,
>> > >> Dave
>> >
>> >
>>
>

Re: Trademarks did not approve of Apache Hunter

[Henrik Ingo]

I had anticipated this, I realized the problem when myself googling for
Apache Hunter

Ideas:
 - Apache Gunther

I tried to come up with all kinds of birth stories for this name. Perhaps
the one most close to actual reality is that Alexander lived in Munich when
we first met (over zoom, covid) and decided to start the hunter project. As
Alexander eventually wasn't assigned to work on the project and then moved
away from Germany, it's not avery strong story. Perhaps the best argument
for this name is that it's clearly not American in any way :-D

If we choose this name we must commit to meet every year at the Oktoberfest
;-P


- Sawa

A nod to Hunter's actual roots in Warsawa, Poland. In the legend Sawa is
either the sister, wife or mermaid to Wars, and together they settle to
live where Warsawa is today.


- Tapio

...or something else from the vast Finnish mythology. Tapio is the god of
the forest and animals. Often depicted with shamanic horns but sometimes it
is thought that he is the bear!

Tapio is the father to a certain Nyyrikki/Nyrkiö. This would create a
similar relationship between the two trademarks as Tux (Linux Foundation /
Torvalds) -> Emperor Linux (for profit vendor).


henrik

On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 4:50 AM Alexander Sorokoumov <
aleksandr.sorokou...@gmail.com> wrote:

> This is a little upsetting. What do you think about using the rest of the
> week to propose and discuss name suggestions in this thread, then starting
> a vote next Monday?
>
> Naturally, when suggesting a name we should follow
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html.
>
> Best,
> Alex
>
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 2:53 PM Dave Fisher  wrote:
>
> > The rationale was sent on private mailing lists so I forwarded it to
> > private@hunter
> >
> > > On Dec 10, 2024, at 2:13 PM, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm still looking/waiting for the rationale for this decision.
> > >
> > > On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 at 08:31, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi -
> > >>
> > >> You may have seen on PODLINGNAMESEARCH-228 and the Incubator list that
> > Apache Hunter as a brand is not approved.
> > >>
> > >> The podling will need to find a new name, better sooner than later.
> > Probably best to change after the hunter repository is created and all
> the
> > code transferred.
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >> Dave
> >
> >
>

Re: Trademarks did not approve of Apache Hunter

[Alexander Sorokoumov]

This is a little upsetting. What do you think about using the rest of the
week to propose and discuss name suggestions in this thread, then starting
a vote next Monday?

Naturally, when suggesting a name we should follow
https://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html.

Best,
Alex

On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 2:53 PM Dave Fisher  wrote:

> The rationale was sent on private mailing lists so I forwarded it to
> private@hunter
>
> > On Dec 10, 2024, at 2:13 PM, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
> >
> > I'm still looking/waiting for the rationale for this decision.
> >
> > On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 at 08:31, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi -
> >>
> >> You may have seen on PODLINGNAMESEARCH-228 and the Incubator list that
> Apache Hunter as a brand is not approved.
> >>
> >> The podling will need to find a new name, better sooner than later.
> Probably best to change after the hunter repository is created and all the
> code transferred.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Dave
>
>

Re: Trademarks did not approve of Apache Hunter

[Dave Fisher]

The rationale was sent on private mailing lists so I forwarded it to 
private@hunter

> On Dec 10, 2024, at 2:13 PM, Mick Semb Wever  wrote:
> 
> I'm still looking/waiting for the rationale for this decision.
> 
> On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 at 08:31, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi -
>> 
>> You may have seen on PODLINGNAMESEARCH-228 and the Incubator list that 
>> Apache Hunter as a brand is not approved.
>> 
>> The podling will need to find a new name, better sooner than later. Probably 
>> best to change after the hunter repository is created and all the code 
>> transferred.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Dave

Re: Trademarks did not approve of Apache Hunter

[Mick Semb Wever]

I'm still looking/waiting for the rationale for this decision.

On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 at 08:31, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>
> Hi -
>
> You may have seen on PODLINGNAMESEARCH-228 and the Incubator list that Apache 
> Hunter as a brand is not approved.
>
> The podling will need to find a new name, better sooner than later. Probably 
> best to change after the hunter repository is created and all the code 
> transferred.
>
> Best,
> Dave