Re: [DISCUSS] Enrich information of project committers in website

[Xiangdong Huang]

Hi,

Let's keep this thread for discussion...

> I agree that this information can show the diversity
> directly, and considering people contribute as individuals, I prefer
reduce
> the maintenance costs.

Considering the benefit that the info can show the diversity (and it is
beneficial for graduation, right?),
I think the overhead is acceptable, and PPMCs need to be responsible for
the duty.

I think we can try to maintain the info for a period.
And, once we find that (1) the cost of maintaining the info is too heavy,
and (2) the community is diverse enough, we may consider to remove the
info.

How about that?

Best,
---
Xiangdong Huang
School of Software, Tsinghua University

 黄向东
清华大学 软件学院


孙泽嵩  于2019年12月17日周二 上午11:28写道：

> Thanks for your kindly help!
>
> I will try to propose a VOTE, and introduce the method about how to
> maintain personal information in the website repository : )
>
>
> Best,
> ---
> Zesong Sun
> School of Software, Tsinghua University
>
> 孙泽嵩
> 清华大学 软件学院
>
> > 2019年12月16日 23:07，Xiangdong Huang  写道：
> >
> > detailed info may encourage the committers
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Enrich information of project committers in website

[孙泽嵩]

Thanks for your kindly help!

I will try to propose a VOTE, and introduce the method about how to maintain 
personal information in the website repository : )


Best,
---
Zesong Sun
School of Software, Tsinghua University

孙泽嵩
清华大学 软件学院

> 2019年12月16日 23:07，Xiangdong Huang  写道：
> 
> detailed info may encourage the committers

Re: [DISCUSS] Enrich information of project committers in website

[jincheng sun]

Hi all,

Sounds pretty good, thank you for pushing forward this work Zesong!

I want to know that do we need to make a VOTE thread to make the final
decision about the change of this discussion?(I didn't find the relevant
documents.)
Of course, this change is very small, and we can also avoid VOTE. I raised
this question to make the development of IoTDB community more clear and
rule-based and healthy growing :)

What do you think?

Best,
Jincheng

Twitter: https://twitter.com/sunjincheng121


孙泽嵩  于2019年12月17日周二 上午9:49写道：

> Hi,
>
>
> I like this idea very much and would like to update our committer page
> like gobblin[1] does.
>
> I’d like to open an “example” PR later as a model in the website
> repository [2], so that every committer and contributor can maintain their
> own information by opening PR themselves.
>
> What do you think?
>
>
> [1] http://gobblin.incubator.apache.org/people/ <
> http://gobblin.incubator.apache.org/people/>
> [2] https://github.com/apache/incubator-iotdb-website <
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-iotdb-website>
>
> Best,
> ---
> Zesong Sun
> School of Software, Tsinghua University
>
> 孙泽嵩
> 清华大学 软件学院
>
> > 2019年12月16日 15:59，jincheng sun  写道：
> >
> > Starting date
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Enrich information of project committers in website

[孙泽嵩]

Hi,


I like this idea very much and would like to update our committer page like 
gobblin[1] does.

I’d like to open an “example” PR later as a model in the website repository 
[2], so that every committer and contributor can maintain their own information 
by opening PR themselves.

What do you think?


[1] http://gobblin.incubator.apache.org/people/ 

[2] https://github.com/apache/incubator-iotdb-website 


Best,
---
Zesong Sun
School of Software, Tsinghua University

孙泽嵩
清华大学 软件学院

> 2019年12月16日 15:59，jincheng sun  写道：
> 
> Starting date

Re: [DISCUSS] Enrich information of project committers in website

[jincheng sun]

Hi Xiangdong,

Thank you for your confirmation of the proposal!

Yes, regarding the `Organization` information, compared with `Apache ID`
and `Name`, the update frequency of `Organization` will be higher, which
will bring some maintenance costs to committer.

You are right, I agree that this information can show the diversity
directly, and considering people contribute as individuals, I prefer reduce
the maintenance costs.

What do you think?

Best,
Jincheng

Twitter: https://twitter.com/sunjincheng121


Xiangdong Huang  于2019年12月16日周一 下午11:08写道：

> Hi,
>
> Thanks for the suggestion.
>
> > So, I proposal that enrich information of project committers as follows
>
> I like the idea. More detailed info may encourage the committers (Give the
> committers more chance to show themselves).
>
> > But I don't know why this information was originally added, maybe
> @Xiangdong know more about this. :)
> > It can be for a number of reasons, some projects which were started by
> one company may want to show how diverse they have become and highlight
> that.
>
> Yes, indeed actually we initially wanted to show the diversity of the
> community. But unfortunately we forgot to maintain the list.
> For example, some guys in the list have graduated and still contribute to
> the project even they have worked for Microsoft, Ali and ByteDance etc..
>
> If we can collect the info and keep update, it would be nice to show the
> diversity. But if we do not maintain that, it is a negative way...
>
> Best,
> ---
> Xiangdong Huang
> School of Software, Tsinghua University
>
>  黄向东
> 清华大学 软件学院
>
>
> jincheng sun  于2019年12月16日周一 下午9:40写道：
>
> > Hi Justin，
> >
> > Thank you for your explanation，It makes more sense to me .
> >
> > +1 for remove the Organization information.
> >
> > Best，
> > Jincheng
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Justin Mclean 于2019年12月16日 周一19:55写道：
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > > But I don't know why this information was originally added, maybe
> > > > @Xiangdong know more about this. :)
> > >
> > > It can be for a number of reasons, some projects which were started by
> > one
> > > company may want to show how diverse they have become and highlight
> that.
> > > In some cases some popular projects put IMO  too much emphasis on who
> > their
> > > committers/(P)PMC member work for. In most cases I think it just
> someone
> > > has copied and pasting from another popular project without thinking
> why
> > > that is there.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Justin
> >
> > --
> >
> > Best,
> > Jincheng
> >
> > Twitter: https://twitter.com/sunjincheng121
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Enrich information of project committers in website

[Xiangdong Huang]

Hi,

Thanks for the suggestion.

> So, I proposal that enrich information of project committers as follows

I like the idea. More detailed info may encourage the committers (Give the
committers more chance to show themselves).

> But I don't know why this information was originally added, maybe
@Xiangdong know more about this. :)
> It can be for a number of reasons, some projects which were started by
one company may want to show how diverse they have become and highlight
that.

Yes, indeed actually we initially wanted to show the diversity of the
community. But unfortunately we forgot to maintain the list.
For example, some guys in the list have graduated and still contribute to
the project even they have worked for Microsoft, Ali and ByteDance etc..

If we can collect the info and keep update, it would be nice to show the
diversity. But if we do not maintain that, it is a negative way...

Best,
---
Xiangdong Huang
School of Software, Tsinghua University

 黄向东
清华大学 软件学院


jincheng sun  于2019年12月16日周一 下午9:40写道：

> Hi Justin，
>
> Thank you for your explanation，It makes more sense to me .
>
> +1 for remove the Organization information.
>
> Best，
> Jincheng
>
>
>
>
> Justin Mclean 于2019年12月16日 周一19:55写道：
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > > But I don't know why this information was originally added, maybe
> > > @Xiangdong know more about this. :)
> >
> > It can be for a number of reasons, some projects which were started by
> one
> > company may want to show how diverse they have become and highlight that.
> > In some cases some popular projects put IMO  too much emphasis on who
> their
> > committers/(P)PMC member work for. In most cases I think it just someone
> > has copied and pasting from another popular project without thinking why
> > that is there.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
>
> --
>
> Best,
> Jincheng
>
> Twitter: https://twitter.com/sunjincheng121
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Enrich information of project committers in website

[jincheng sun]

Hi Justin，

Thank you for your explanation，It makes more sense to me .

+1 for remove the Organization information.

Best，
Jincheng




Justin Mclean 于2019年12月16日 周一19:55写道：

> Hi,
>
> > But I don't know why this information was originally added, maybe
> > @Xiangdong know more about this. :)
>
> It can be for a number of reasons, some projects which were started by one
> company may want to show how diverse they have become and highlight that.
> In some cases some popular projects put IMO  too much emphasis on who their
> committers/(P)PMC member work for. In most cases I think it just someone
> has copied and pasting from another popular project without thinking why
> that is there.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin

-- 

Best,
Jincheng

Twitter: https://twitter.com/sunjincheng121

Re: [DISCUSS] Enrich information of project committers in website

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> But I don't know why this information was originally added, maybe
> @Xiangdong know more about this. :)

It can be for a number of reasons, some projects which were started by one 
company may want to show how diverse they have become and highlight that. In 
some cases some popular projects put IMO  too much emphasis on who their 
committers/(P)PMC member work for. In most cases I think it just someone has 
copied and pasting from another popular project without thinking why that is 
there.

Thanks,
Justin

Re: [DISCUSS] Enrich information of project committers in website

[jincheng sun]

Hi Justin,

Personally, for a open source project the `Organization` info is not
necessary.

But I don't know why this information was originally added, maybe
@Xiangdong know more about this. :)

Best,
Jincheng

Twitter: https://twitter.com/sunjincheng121


Justin Mclean  于2019年12月16日周一 下午4:56写道：

> HI,
>
> > - Organization - The organization(school, company)
>
> People contribute as individuals not who they work for so it may be best
> to leave that information out, even if some projects put it in.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin

Re: [DISCUSS] Enrich information of project committers in website

[Justin Mclean]

HI,

> - Organization - The organization(school, company)

People contribute as individuals not who they work for so it may be best to 
leave that information out, even if some projects put it in.

Thanks,
Justin