Re: Question around release plans for Apache Kafka 2.3.2 and 2.4.2
Thanks Gwen and Ismael. On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 6:52 PM Gwen Shapira wrote: > Kafka follows a "fully compatible model" and new features are always > optional. We have extensive compatibility testing to make sure rolling > upgrades are safe and painless. > This investment in compatibility allows us to reduce the effort needed in > maintaining old versions (Security CVE is the obvious exception, as well as > data-loss bugs). > > Not every OSS project has the same model, but it has worked for Kafka for > years now (since the awful upgrade from 0.7 to 0.8 in 2014). > > Gwen > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:40 AM Gokul Ramanan Subramanian < > gokul24...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I agree that is an option, but is there any reason to not have a 2.3.2 > and > > 2.4.2 released? If so, it would be nice to know about these reasons. > > Appreciate your time on this. > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 6:35 PM Ismael Juma wrote: > > > > > I think there's some confusion here. You can upgrade to AK 2.5.0 and > > > completely ignore ZK and TLS. It's completely optional. > > > > > > Ismael > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:20 AM Gokul Ramanan Subramanian < > > > gokul24...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Any updates on Kafka 2.3.2 and 2.4.2? Given the complexity of > migrating > > > > from non-encrypted TLS to encrypted TLS connection for ZooKeeper, it > > > would > > > > be nice to have a bug-free version of 2.3 and 2.4. > > > > > > > > Is there a technical reason why we hesitate to get these versions > out? > > Or > > > > is it that no one has got around to it? > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 3:19 PM Sankalp Bhatia < > > > sankalpbhati...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thanks Ismael for the response. > > > > > > > > > > For our clusters running 2.3.1 and 2.4.1, we saw some issues which > > had > > > > > 2.3.2 and 2.4.2 as the fix versions. I looked at 2.5.0 but since it > > > > > introduces some major changes like support for ZK encryption and a > > few > > > > > others, I was wondering if we should choose a smaller upgrade in > such > > > > cases > > > > > as we don't really require the new features in 2.5 and above right > > now. > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Sankalp > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 at 14:23, Ismael Juma > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sankalp, > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a reason why you cannot upgrade to Apache Kafka 2.5.0 > > > instead? > > > > > We > > > > > > are working on the 2.5.1 release, which would be the recommended > > > > release. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ismael > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 6:18 AM Sankalp Bhatia < > > > > > sankalpbhati...@gmail.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to know if there are any plans to release a 2.3.2 > > and > > > > > 2.4.2 > > > > > > > versions for Apache Kafka in the near future. I see there are > > some > > > > > issues > > > > > > > marked as fixed in these two versions > > > > > > > (https://tinyurl.com/ycdpz5cb). > > > > > > > However, I could not find a branch/tag corresponding to these > > > > versions > > > > > in > > > > > > > the github repository (https://github.com/apache/kafka). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, It would be great if someone can help me understand or > > share > > > > any > > > > > > > documentation around the release processes (specifically on > when > > we > > > > > > decide > > > > > > > to release a new bug fix version like the ones mentioned > above.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Sankalp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Gwen Shapira > Engineering Manager | Confluent > 650.450.2760 | @gwenshap > Follow us: Twitter | blog >
Re: Question around release plans for Apache Kafka 2.3.2 and 2.4.2
Kafka follows a "fully compatible model" and new features are always optional. We have extensive compatibility testing to make sure rolling upgrades are safe and painless. This investment in compatibility allows us to reduce the effort needed in maintaining old versions (Security CVE is the obvious exception, as well as data-loss bugs). Not every OSS project has the same model, but it has worked for Kafka for years now (since the awful upgrade from 0.7 to 0.8 in 2014). Gwen On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:40 AM Gokul Ramanan Subramanian < gokul24...@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree that is an option, but is there any reason to not have a 2.3.2 and > 2.4.2 released? If so, it would be nice to know about these reasons. > Appreciate your time on this. > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 6:35 PM Ismael Juma wrote: > > > I think there's some confusion here. You can upgrade to AK 2.5.0 and > > completely ignore ZK and TLS. It's completely optional. > > > > Ismael > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:20 AM Gokul Ramanan Subramanian < > > gokul24...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Any updates on Kafka 2.3.2 and 2.4.2? Given the complexity of migrating > > > from non-encrypted TLS to encrypted TLS connection for ZooKeeper, it > > would > > > be nice to have a bug-free version of 2.3 and 2.4. > > > > > > Is there a technical reason why we hesitate to get these versions out? > Or > > > is it that no one has got around to it? > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 3:19 PM Sankalp Bhatia < > > sankalpbhati...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks Ismael for the response. > > > > > > > > For our clusters running 2.3.1 and 2.4.1, we saw some issues which > had > > > > 2.3.2 and 2.4.2 as the fix versions. I looked at 2.5.0 but since it > > > > introduces some major changes like support for ZK encryption and a > few > > > > others, I was wondering if we should choose a smaller upgrade in such > > > cases > > > > as we don't really require the new features in 2.5 and above right > now. > > > > > > > > - > > > > Sankalp > > > > > > > > On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 at 14:23, Ismael Juma wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Sankalp, > > > > > > > > > > Is there a reason why you cannot upgrade to Apache Kafka 2.5.0 > > instead? > > > > We > > > > > are working on the 2.5.1 release, which would be the recommended > > > release. > > > > > > > > > > Ismael > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 6:18 AM Sankalp Bhatia < > > > > sankalpbhati...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to know if there are any plans to release a 2.3.2 > and > > > > 2.4.2 > > > > > > versions for Apache Kafka in the near future. I see there are > some > > > > issues > > > > > > marked as fixed in these two versions > > > > > > (https://tinyurl.com/ycdpz5cb). > > > > > > However, I could not find a branch/tag corresponding to these > > > versions > > > > in > > > > > > the github repository (https://github.com/apache/kafka). > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, It would be great if someone can help me understand or > share > > > any > > > > > > documentation around the release processes (specifically on when > we > > > > > decide > > > > > > to release a new bug fix version like the ones mentioned above.) > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Sankalp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Gwen Shapira Engineering Manager | Confluent 650.450.2760 | @gwenshap Follow us: Twitter | blog
Re: Question around release plans for Apache Kafka 2.3.2 and 2.4.2
I agree that is an option, but is there any reason to not have a 2.3.2 and 2.4.2 released? If so, it would be nice to know about these reasons. Appreciate your time on this. On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 6:35 PM Ismael Juma wrote: > I think there's some confusion here. You can upgrade to AK 2.5.0 and > completely ignore ZK and TLS. It's completely optional. > > Ismael > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:20 AM Gokul Ramanan Subramanian < > gokul24...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Any updates on Kafka 2.3.2 and 2.4.2? Given the complexity of migrating > > from non-encrypted TLS to encrypted TLS connection for ZooKeeper, it > would > > be nice to have a bug-free version of 2.3 and 2.4. > > > > Is there a technical reason why we hesitate to get these versions out? Or > > is it that no one has got around to it? > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 3:19 PM Sankalp Bhatia < > sankalpbhati...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Thanks Ismael for the response. > > > > > > For our clusters running 2.3.1 and 2.4.1, we saw some issues which had > > > 2.3.2 and 2.4.2 as the fix versions. I looked at 2.5.0 but since it > > > introduces some major changes like support for ZK encryption and a few > > > others, I was wondering if we should choose a smaller upgrade in such > > cases > > > as we don't really require the new features in 2.5 and above right now. > > > > > > - > > > Sankalp > > > > > > On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 at 14:23, Ismael Juma wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Sankalp, > > > > > > > > Is there a reason why you cannot upgrade to Apache Kafka 2.5.0 > instead? > > > We > > > > are working on the 2.5.1 release, which would be the recommended > > release. > > > > > > > > Ismael > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 6:18 AM Sankalp Bhatia < > > > sankalpbhati...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > I would like to know if there are any plans to release a 2.3.2 and > > > 2.4.2 > > > > > versions for Apache Kafka in the near future. I see there are some > > > issues > > > > > marked as fixed in these two versions > > > > > (https://tinyurl.com/ycdpz5cb). > > > > > However, I could not find a branch/tag corresponding to these > > versions > > > in > > > > > the github repository (https://github.com/apache/kafka). > > > > > > > > > > Also, It would be great if someone can help me understand or share > > any > > > > > documentation around the release processes (specifically on when we > > > > decide > > > > > to release a new bug fix version like the ones mentioned above.) > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Sankalp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: Question around release plans for Apache Kafka 2.3.2 and 2.4.2
I think there's some confusion here. You can upgrade to AK 2.5.0 and completely ignore ZK and TLS. It's completely optional. Ismael On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:20 AM Gokul Ramanan Subramanian < gokul24...@gmail.com> wrote: > Any updates on Kafka 2.3.2 and 2.4.2? Given the complexity of migrating > from non-encrypted TLS to encrypted TLS connection for ZooKeeper, it would > be nice to have a bug-free version of 2.3 and 2.4. > > Is there a technical reason why we hesitate to get these versions out? Or > is it that no one has got around to it? > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 3:19 PM Sankalp Bhatia > wrote: > > > Thanks Ismael for the response. > > > > For our clusters running 2.3.1 and 2.4.1, we saw some issues which had > > 2.3.2 and 2.4.2 as the fix versions. I looked at 2.5.0 but since it > > introduces some major changes like support for ZK encryption and a few > > others, I was wondering if we should choose a smaller upgrade in such > cases > > as we don't really require the new features in 2.5 and above right now. > > > > - > > Sankalp > > > > On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 at 14:23, Ismael Juma wrote: > > > > > Hi Sankalp, > > > > > > Is there a reason why you cannot upgrade to Apache Kafka 2.5.0 instead? > > We > > > are working on the 2.5.1 release, which would be the recommended > release. > > > > > > Ismael > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 6:18 AM Sankalp Bhatia < > > sankalpbhati...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > I would like to know if there are any plans to release a 2.3.2 and > > 2.4.2 > > > > versions for Apache Kafka in the near future. I see there are some > > issues > > > > marked as fixed in these two versions > > > > (https://tinyurl.com/ycdpz5cb). > > > > However, I could not find a branch/tag corresponding to these > versions > > in > > > > the github repository (https://github.com/apache/kafka). > > > > > > > > Also, It would be great if someone can help me understand or share > any > > > > documentation around the release processes (specifically on when we > > > decide > > > > to release a new bug fix version like the ones mentioned above.) > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sankalp > > > > > > > > > >
Re: Question around release plans for Apache Kafka 2.3.2 and 2.4.2
Any updates on Kafka 2.3.2 and 2.4.2? Given the complexity of migrating from non-encrypted TLS to encrypted TLS connection for ZooKeeper, it would be nice to have a bug-free version of 2.3 and 2.4. Is there a technical reason why we hesitate to get these versions out? Or is it that no one has got around to it? On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 3:19 PM Sankalp Bhatia wrote: > Thanks Ismael for the response. > > For our clusters running 2.3.1 and 2.4.1, we saw some issues which had > 2.3.2 and 2.4.2 as the fix versions. I looked at 2.5.0 but since it > introduces some major changes like support for ZK encryption and a few > others, I was wondering if we should choose a smaller upgrade in such cases > as we don't really require the new features in 2.5 and above right now. > > - > Sankalp > > On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 at 14:23, Ismael Juma wrote: > > > Hi Sankalp, > > > > Is there a reason why you cannot upgrade to Apache Kafka 2.5.0 instead? > We > > are working on the 2.5.1 release, which would be the recommended release. > > > > Ismael > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 6:18 AM Sankalp Bhatia < > sankalpbhati...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I would like to know if there are any plans to release a 2.3.2 and > 2.4.2 > > > versions for Apache Kafka in the near future. I see there are some > issues > > > marked as fixed in these two versions > > > (https://tinyurl.com/ycdpz5cb). > > > However, I could not find a branch/tag corresponding to these versions > in > > > the github repository (https://github.com/apache/kafka). > > > > > > Also, It would be great if someone can help me understand or share any > > > documentation around the release processes (specifically on when we > > decide > > > to release a new bug fix version like the ones mentioned above.) > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Sankalp > > > > > >
Re: Question around release plans for Apache Kafka 2.3.2 and 2.4.2
Thanks Ismael for the response. For our clusters running 2.3.1 and 2.4.1, we saw some issues which had 2.3.2 and 2.4.2 as the fix versions. I looked at 2.5.0 but since it introduces some major changes like support for ZK encryption and a few others, I was wondering if we should choose a smaller upgrade in such cases as we don't really require the new features in 2.5 and above right now. - Sankalp On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 at 14:23, Ismael Juma wrote: > Hi Sankalp, > > Is there a reason why you cannot upgrade to Apache Kafka 2.5.0 instead? We > are working on the 2.5.1 release, which would be the recommended release. > > Ismael > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 6:18 AM Sankalp Bhatia > wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > I would like to know if there are any plans to release a 2.3.2 and 2.4.2 > > versions for Apache Kafka in the near future. I see there are some issues > > marked as fixed in these two versions > > (https://tinyurl.com/ycdpz5cb). > > However, I could not find a branch/tag corresponding to these versions in > > the github repository (https://github.com/apache/kafka). > > > > Also, It would be great if someone can help me understand or share any > > documentation around the release processes (specifically on when we > decide > > to release a new bug fix version like the ones mentioned above.) > > > > Thanks, > > Sankalp > > >
Re: Question around release plans for Apache Kafka 2.3.2 and 2.4.2
Hi Sankalp, Is there a reason why you cannot upgrade to Apache Kafka 2.5.0 instead? We are working on the 2.5.1 release, which would be the recommended release. Ismael On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 6:18 AM Sankalp Bhatia wrote: > Hi All, > > I would like to know if there are any plans to release a 2.3.2 and 2.4.2 > versions for Apache Kafka in the near future. I see there are some issues > marked as fixed in these two versions > (https://tinyurl.com/ycdpz5cb). > However, I could not find a branch/tag corresponding to these versions in > the github repository (https://github.com/apache/kafka). > > Also, It would be great if someone can help me understand or share any > documentation around the release processes (specifically on when we decide > to release a new bug fix version like the ones mentioned above.) > > Thanks, > Sankalp >
Question around release plans for Apache Kafka 2.3.2 and 2.4.2
Hi All, I would like to know if there are any plans to release a 2.3.2 and 2.4.2 versions for Apache Kafka in the near future. I see there are some issues marked as fixed in these two versions (https://tinyurl.com/ycdpz5cb). However, I could not find a branch/tag corresponding to these versions in the github repository (https://github.com/apache/kafka). Also, It would be great if someone can help me understand or share any documentation around the release processes (specifically on when we decide to release a new bug fix version like the ones mentioned above.) Thanks, Sankalp
