Re: [VOTE] Apache 3.1.0-alpha-1 (Take 4)

2013-06-02 Thread Hervé BOUTEMY
+1 Regards, Hervé Le samedi 1 juin 2013 09:13:17 Jason van Zyl a écrit : Here are the release bits for 3.1.0-alpha-1: Release notes: https://jira.codehaus.org/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=10500version=18 967 Staging repository:

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-06-02 Thread Ralph Goers
-1 (binding) Ralph On May 29, 2013, at 3:01 AM, Stephen Connolly wrote: We have been using a policy of only making releases without skipping version numbers, e.g. 3.0.0, 3.0.1, 3.0.2, 3.0.3, 3.0.4, 3.0.5, etc Whereby if there is something wrong with the artifacts staged for release, we

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-06-02 Thread Benson Margulies
-1 binding to changing to burning versions. On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: -1 (binding) Ralph On May 29, 2013, at 3:01 AM, Stephen Connolly wrote: We have been using a policy of only making releases without skipping version numbers, e.g.

Re: [VOTE] Apache 3.1.0-alpha-1 (Take 4)

2013-06-02 Thread Arnaud Héritier
+1 Le dimanche 2 juin 2013, Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit : +1 Regards, Hervé Le samedi 1 juin 2013 09:13:17 Jason van Zyl a écrit : Here are the release bits for 3.1.0-alpha-1: Release notes: https://jira.codehaus.org/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=10500version=18 967 Staging

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-06-02 Thread Gary Gregory
-1 non-binding, this is confusing. That's what RC tags are for. Gary On Jun 2, 2013, at 11:54, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: -1 binding to changing to burning versions. On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: -1 (binding) Ralph On

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-06-02 Thread Fred Cooke
from my experience, even if this question is not absolutely scm-specific, git brings us a new problem we didn't have with svn: once a tag is set on the canonical repo and replicated on developers' repos, it is not automatically updated if updated in the canonical Git brings you no such

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-06-02 Thread Benson Margulies
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com wrote: from my experience, even if this question is not absolutely scm-specific, git brings us a new problem we didn't have with svn: once a tag is set on the canonical repo and replicated on developers' repos, it is not

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-06-02 Thread Fred Cooke
Benson, read the rules: http://httpd.apache.org/dev/voting.html *-1 *No, I *veto* this action. +1 + -1 != 0 On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com wrote: from my experience, even if this

Re: [VOTE] Apache 3.1.0-alpha-1 (Take 4)

2013-06-02 Thread Baptiste MATHUS
+1. 2013/6/2 Arnaud Héritier aherit...@gmail.com +1 Le dimanche 2 juin 2013, Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit : +1 Regards, Hervé Le samedi 1 juin 2013 09:13:17 Jason van Zyl a écrit : Here are the release bits for 3.1.0-alpha-1: Release notes:

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-06-02 Thread Baptiste MATHUS
That link is for HTTPd. For Apache general guidelines, read http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html -1 are only vetos for code modification, not procedural issues . Cheers 2013/6/2 Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com Benson, read the rules: http://httpd.apache.org/dev/voting.html *-1

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-06-02 Thread Benson Margulies
1. That page says 'obsolete' all over the top of it. 2. I can find you 27 email messages from board members and other crusty veterans to the contrary. Quoting from the replacement page: -1 No. On issues where consensus is required, this vote counts as a veto. All vetos must include an

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-06-02 Thread Benson Margulies
Thanks, Baptiste, that's the reference I was looking for. On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Baptiste MATHUS bmat...@batmat.net wrote: That link is for HTTPd. For Apache general guidelines, read http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html -1 are only vetos for code modification, not procedural

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-06-02 Thread Fred Cooke
I apologise. I had three tabs open from Apache, and grabbed the wrong one. According to the correct, page, though: -0.9: 'I *really* don't like this, but *I'm not going to stand in the way*if everyone else wants to go ahead with it.' There's an *implication* there that an extra -0.1 might

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-06-02 Thread Stephen Connolly
I will point out that for this specific vote I listed three options and a criteria. So this vote has no vetoes. Simple sum of all binding votes defines the result. If the sum is -3 then that says majority dont want to burn version numbers. If the sum +3 then that says the majority want to keep

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-06-02 Thread Kristian Rosenvold
I think it's time to step back a little. This whole vote was started without any proper initial discussion, so to the extent there will be any majority for a policy change, this will not be the vote where this happens. But these votes tend to be great kickstarters for good discussions, so instead

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-06-02 Thread Benson Margulies
I would consider it delux if the release plugin were enhanced to support a more sophisticated mapping between artifact versions and tags -- as per Kristian, wouldn't it be cool if it could iterate over tags while repeating itself on customer-visible release numbers? I'd help to code this is we had

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-06-02 Thread Chris Graham
Fred, We are talking more process here. Not the specifics of an individual SCM, not everything is in git. We are still talking about the abstraction api that the maven-scm handlers provide, of which git is but one. -Chris On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-06-02 Thread Fred Cooke
Although I prefer to use Git, it's totally irrelevant. I'm unsure how you came to the conclusion that I thought this was anything to do with Git. Subversion tags, though mutable, should not EVER be committed against or in any other way modified. Doing so is the behaviour of a (bad quality) grad

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-06-02 Thread Benson Margulies
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 8:44 PM, Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com wrote: Although I prefer to use Git, it's totally irrelevant. I'm unsure how you came to the conclusion that I thought this was anything to do with Git. Subversion tags, though mutable, should not EVER be committed against or in

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-06-02 Thread Chris Graham
Fred, you're the one who mentioned git in that post. Please remember what stephen pointed out (which I thought was rather nicely worded): [paraphrased] The real release is the source bundle, and the tags are merely a convienance to a developer. -Chris On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-06-02 Thread Chris Graham
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 8:44 PM, Fred Cooke fred.co...@gmail.com wrote: Although I prefer to use Git, it's totally irrelevant. I'm unsure how you came to the conclusion that I thought this was anything to do with

Re: [VOTE] Should we respin CANCELLED releases with the same version number?

2013-06-02 Thread Fred Cooke
Please stop addressing me. I'm done with this thread. The futility is killing me. I've *MUCH* better things to do with my time. I'm 110% certain that 101% of you will be pleased by this. Win win. Fred. On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:27 AM, Chris Graham chrisgw...@gmail.com wrote: Fred, you're the