Re: [native-lang] es: Lista de Correo
I shall remove the page Monday. I would also question Alexandro's positioning of OOoES as at the beneficiary of such efforts, over OOo. Louis On 2010-11-07, at 18:01 , Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: Hello Louis, * On Tuesday 19 October 2010, 01:36, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: I just learned of this site on the ES project and would respectfully ask the lead of the project—Alexandro—to remove it, as it would seem to only instil confusion in the community, and to me is a transgressive use—a misuse—of OpenOffice.org resources. http://es.openoffice.org/comunidad/listas.html I see that now (Sun, 7 Nov., 20:00 hrs) this page promotes oooes.org mailing lists, instead of es.openoffice.org lists. It's not up to me to explain what this oooes.org is, and its relationship to OpenOffice.org, but it seems to me this is a misuse of OpenOffice.org resources (or I may have missed something, and OpenOffice.org dropped all it mailing list with @es.openoffice.org domain, and granted oooes.org to proceed as they did). Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] es: Lista de Correo
Hello Alexandro, Le Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:37:33 -0500, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.org a écrit : On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Charles-H. Schulz charles-h.sch...@laposte.net wrote: Hello everyone, I think this mail will prove that we can have sometimes no conflict of interest. Wearing my hat of the Document Foundation, I'd like to state the following things: - Everyone, yes, everyone is welcome to join the LibreOffice Project and the Document Foundation. - We, the Document Foundation, have not asked to Alexandro Colorado to put that message on any web page of the OOo ES project. - He and the ES community are welcome to join us, but it is by leaving contributors free to choose their own path and not by forcing them that we work. We believe in freedom, not constraint, and do not wish to see confusion taking place. Wearing my OOo NLC hat: - unilateral actions depriving contributors of the most elementary tools of communication are a very bad thing. While I'm sure some people may disagree, debates and discussions are good, not constraint, one cannot just shut up mailing lists out of the blue. I would like to ask Alexandro, if that's possible to reinstate the mailing lists and their archive. We are moving to our own mailing list, so for that, we are compiling a database of the members of the list, *we are still subscribing them to the list*. However through a database 'proxy' where we could retrieve the 'community' of contributors. We have held several meetings on the matter and agree the message was a bit missleading. But to say that we were shutting down the lists, well the lists are still running and can still be consulted openly. okay. But then it is not accurate to say that you are joining the Document Foundation. In fact you're not joining it. You are seceding from the OpenOffice.org community, that's accurate. Best, Charles. Thank you, Charles-H. Schulz. Le Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:57:53 -0300, Ariel Constenla-Haile ariel.constenla.ha...@googlemail.com a écrit : Hello Louis, On Tuesday 19 October 2010, 01:36, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: I just learned of this site on the ES project and would respectfully ask the lead of the project—Alexandro—to remove it, as it would seem to only instil confusion in the community, and to me is a transgressive use—a misuse—of OpenOffice.org resources. http://es.openoffice.org/comunidad/listas.html me and other members of the Spanish-speaking community have been asking him to remove this page, and put the link to the project lists http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList And this since the 4th October without any kind of answer from his side, see http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=usersmsgNo=9038 Notice that the original message on http://es.openoffice.org/comunidad/listas.html said Estamos trabajando en migrar a las nuevas listas de OpenOffice.org a DocumentFoundation y LibreOffice. Favor de registrarte aqu en: last time I checked this, on Sunday. Now the message has changed to Estamos trabajando en migrar a las nuevas listas de OOoES. Favor de registrarte aqu en: but anyway this is not like http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList and it seems he is still trying to collect OOo user's mails using OOo resources to migrate them when there is an ES LO mailing list, as said in his original message: facilitar la migracion a DocumentFoundation asociandote a nuestra newsletter para poder mantener tu correo y contactarte con el nuevo correo que posiblemente haya en DocumentFoundation en Espanol. Besides this, I find very un-ethical that * while he unilaterally took the decision to put the message on http://es.openoffice.org/comunidad/listas.html * he is still being Co-Lead of http://es.openoffice.org Co-Lead of http://education.openoffice.org Project Lead of http://certification.openoffice.org/ * he is evidently promoting LO/TDF, see http://www.slideshare.net/jza/10-aos-de-openofficeorg and his obvious invitation orignally on http://es.openoffice.org/comunidad/listas.html (not the one you can read today) I find very un-ethical that he sees no COI at all, and still tries to travel using OOo reources http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=devmsgNo=31039 But this discussion is for another thread... Regards - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail:
Re: [native-lang] es: Lista de Correo
Hello Louis, On Tuesday 19 October 2010, 01:36, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: I just learned of this site on the ES project and would respectfully ask the lead of the project—Alexandro—to remove it, as it would seem to only instil confusion in the community, and to me is a transgressive use—a misuse—of OpenOffice.org resources. http://es.openoffice.org/comunidad/listas.html me and other members of the Spanish-speaking community have been asking him to remove this page, and put the link to the project lists http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList And this since the 4th October without any kind of answer from his side, see http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=usersmsgNo=9038 Notice that the original message on http://es.openoffice.org/comunidad/listas.html said Estamos trabajando en migrar a las nuevas listas de OpenOffice.org a DocumentFoundation y LibreOffice. Favor de registrarte aqu en: last time I checked this, on Sunday. Now the message has changed to Estamos trabajando en migrar a las nuevas listas de OOoES. Favor de registrarte aqu en: but anyway this is not like http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList and it seems he is still trying to collect OOo user's mails using OOo resources to migrate them when there is an ES LO mailing list, as said in his original message: facilitar la migracion a DocumentFoundation asociandote a nuestra newsletter para poder mantener tu correo y contactarte con el nuevo correo que posiblemente haya en DocumentFoundation en Espanol. Besides this, I find very un-ethical that * while he unilaterally took the decision to put the message on http://es.openoffice.org/comunidad/listas.html * he is still being Co-Lead of http://es.openoffice.org Co-Lead of http://education.openoffice.org Project Lead of http://certification.openoffice.org/ * he is evidently promoting LO/TDF, see http://www.slideshare.net/jza/10-aos-de-openofficeorg and his obvious invitation orignally on http://es.openoffice.org/comunidad/listas.html (not the one you can read today) I find very un-ethical that he sees no COI at all, and still tries to travel using OOo reources http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=devmsgNo=31039 But this discussion is for another thread... Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [native-lang] es: Lista de Correo
Hello everyone, I think this mail will prove that we can have sometimes no conflict of interest. Wearing my hat of the Document Foundation, I'd like to state the following things: - Everyone, yes, everyone is welcome to join the LibreOffice Project and the Document Foundation. - We, the Document Foundation, have not asked to Alexandro Colorado to put that message on any web page of the OOo ES project. - He and the ES community are welcome to join us, but it is by leaving contributors free to choose their own path and not by forcing them that we work. We believe in freedom, not constraint, and do not wish to see confusion taking place. Wearing my OOo NLC hat: - unilateral actions depriving contributors of the most elementary tools of communication are a very bad thing. While I'm sure some people may disagree, debates and discussions are good, not constraint, one cannot just shut up mailing lists out of the blue. I would like to ask Alexandro, if that's possible to reinstate the mailing lists and their archive. Thank you, Charles-H. Schulz. Le Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:57:53 -0300, Ariel Constenla-Haile ariel.constenla.ha...@googlemail.com a écrit : Hello Louis, On Tuesday 19 October 2010, 01:36, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: I just learned of this site on the ES project and would respectfully ask the lead of the project—Alexandro—to remove it, as it would seem to only instil confusion in the community, and to me is a transgressive use—a misuse—of OpenOffice.org resources. http://es.openoffice.org/comunidad/listas.html me and other members of the Spanish-speaking community have been asking him to remove this page, and put the link to the project lists http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList And this since the 4th October without any kind of answer from his side, see http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=usersmsgNo=9038 Notice that the original message on http://es.openoffice.org/comunidad/listas.html said Estamos trabajando en migrar a las nuevas listas de OpenOffice.org a DocumentFoundation y LibreOffice. Favor de registrarte aqu en: last time I checked this, on Sunday. Now the message has changed to Estamos trabajando en migrar a las nuevas listas de OOoES. Favor de registrarte aqu en: but anyway this is not like http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList and it seems he is still trying to collect OOo user's mails using OOo resources to migrate them when there is an ES LO mailing list, as said in his original message: facilitar la migracion a DocumentFoundation asociandote a nuestra newsletter para poder mantener tu correo y contactarte con el nuevo correo que posiblemente haya en DocumentFoundation en Espanol. Besides this, I find very un-ethical that * while he unilaterally took the decision to put the message on http://es.openoffice.org/comunidad/listas.html * he is still being Co-Lead of http://es.openoffice.org Co-Lead of http://education.openoffice.org Project Lead of http://certification.openoffice.org/ * he is evidently promoting LO/TDF, see http://www.slideshare.net/jza/10-aos-de-openofficeorg and his obvious invitation orignally on http://es.openoffice.org/comunidad/listas.html (not the one you can read today) I find very un-ethical that he sees no COI at all, and still tries to travel using OOo reources http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=devmsgNo=31039 But this discussion is for another thread... Regards - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] es: Lista de Correo
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Charles-H. Schulz charles-h.sch...@laposte.net wrote: Hello everyone, I think this mail will prove that we can have sometimes no conflict of interest. Wearing my hat of the Document Foundation, I'd like to state the following things: - Everyone, yes, everyone is welcome to join the LibreOffice Project and the Document Foundation. - We, the Document Foundation, have not asked to Alexandro Colorado to put that message on any web page of the OOo ES project. - He and the ES community are welcome to join us, but it is by leaving contributors free to choose their own path and not by forcing them that we work. We believe in freedom, not constraint, and do not wish to see confusion taking place. Wearing my OOo NLC hat: - unilateral actions depriving contributors of the most elementary tools of communication are a very bad thing. While I'm sure some people may disagree, debates and discussions are good, not constraint, one cannot just shut up mailing lists out of the blue. I would like to ask Alexandro, if that's possible to reinstate the mailing lists and their archive. We are moving to our own mailing list, so for that, we are compiling a database of the members of the list, *we are still subscribing them to the list*. However through a database 'proxy' where we could retrieve the 'community' of contributors. We have held several meetings on the matter and agree the message was a bit missleading. But to say that we were shutting down the lists, well the lists are still running and can still be consulted openly. Thank you, Charles-H. Schulz. Le Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:57:53 -0300, Ariel Constenla-Haile ariel.constenla.ha...@googlemail.com a écrit : Hello Louis, On Tuesday 19 October 2010, 01:36, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: I just learned of this site on the ES project and would respectfully ask the lead of the project—Alexandro—to remove it, as it would seem to only instil confusion in the community, and to me is a transgressive use—a misuse—of OpenOffice.org resources. http://es.openoffice.org/comunidad/listas.html me and other members of the Spanish-speaking community have been asking him to remove this page, and put the link to the project lists http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList And this since the 4th October without any kind of answer from his side, see http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=usersmsgNo=9038 Notice that the original message on http://es.openoffice.org/comunidad/listas.html said Estamos trabajando en migrar a las nuevas listas de OpenOffice.org a DocumentFoundation y LibreOffice. Favor de registrarte aqu en: last time I checked this, on Sunday. Now the message has changed to Estamos trabajando en migrar a las nuevas listas de OOoES. Favor de registrarte aqu en: but anyway this is not like http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList and it seems he is still trying to collect OOo user's mails using OOo resources to migrate them when there is an ES LO mailing list, as said in his original message: facilitar la migracion a DocumentFoundation asociandote a nuestra newsletter para poder mantener tu correo y contactarte con el nuevo correo que posiblemente haya en DocumentFoundation en Espanol. Besides this, I find very un-ethical that * while he unilaterally took the decision to put the message on http://es.openoffice.org/comunidad/listas.html * he is still being Co-Lead of http://es.openoffice.org Co-Lead of http://education.openoffice.org Project Lead of http://certification.openoffice.org/ * he is evidently promoting LO/TDF, see http://www.slideshare.net/jza/10-aos-de-openofficeorg and his obvious invitation orignally on http://es.openoffice.org/comunidad/listas.html (not the one you can read today) I find very un-ethical that he sees no COI at all, and still tries to travel using OOo reources http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=devmsgNo=31039 But this discussion is for another thread... Regards - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] es: Lista de Correo
Hello * On Tuesday 19 October 2010, 13:37, Alexandro Colorado wrote: We are moving to our own mailing list, so for that, we are compiling a database of the members of the list, *we are still subscribing them to the list*. However through a database 'proxy' where we could retrieve the 'community' of contributors. We have held several meetings on the matter and agree the message was a bit missleading. misleading? Estamos trabajando en migrar a las nuevas listas de OpenOffice.org a DocumentFoundation y LibreOffice. Favor de registrarte aqu[í] en: the message is very clear: you are working to migrate the OpenOffice.org ES mailing list to the new Document Foundation and LibreOffice mailing lists Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [native-lang] es: Lista de Correo
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile ariel.constenla.ha...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello * On Tuesday 19 October 2010, 13:37, Alexandro Colorado wrote: We are moving to our own mailing list, so for that, we are compiling a database of the members of the list, *we are still subscribing them to the list*. However through a database 'proxy' where we could retrieve the 'community' of contributors. We have held several meetings on the matter and agree the message was a bit missleading. misleading? Estamos trabajando en migrar a las nuevas listas de OpenOffice.org a DocumentFoundation y LibreOffice. Favor de registrarte aqu[í] en: the message is very clear: you are working to migrate the OpenOffice.org ES mailing list to the new Document Foundation and LibreOffice mailing lists Yes, I agree that the message is very clear and not misleading. We should let people take their own decisions. Thanks, Ariel, for pointing this. -- Jesús Corrius je...@softcatala.org Document Foundation founding member Skype: jcorrius | Twitter: @jcorrius - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org
Re: [native-lang] es: Lista de Correo
Hello Jesús, On Tuesday 19 October 2010, 15:06, Jesús Corrius wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile ariel.constenla.ha...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello * On Tuesday 19 October 2010, 13:37, Alexandro Colorado wrote: We are moving to our own mailing list, so for that, we are compiling a database of the members of the list, *we are still subscribing them to the list*. However through a database 'proxy' where we could retrieve the 'community' of contributors. We have held several meetings on the matter and agree the message was a bit missleading. misleading? Estamos trabajando en migrar a las nuevas listas de OpenOffice.org a DocumentFoundation y LibreOffice. Favor de registrarte aqu[í] en: the message is very clear: you are working to migrate the OpenOffice.org ES mailing list to the new Document Foundation and LibreOffice mailing lists Yes, I agree that the message is very clear and not misleading. We should let people take their own decisions. Thanks, Ariel, for pointing this. well, I just pointed this that was very obvious for us who speak Spanish. Please notice (before I'll be flamed in the OOo ES mailing list by telling me I have something personal against Alexandro), that it wasn't me who told Louis about this problem: IMO this should have been discussed in our ES community. Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [native-lang] es: Lista de Correo
2010/10/19 Jesús Corrius je...@softcatala.org On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile ariel.constenla.ha...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello * On Tuesday 19 October 2010, 13:37, Alexandro Colorado wrote: We are moving to our own mailing list, so for that, we are compiling a database of the members of the list, *we are still subscribing them to the list*. However through a database 'proxy' where we could retrieve the 'community' of contributors. We have held several meetings on the matter and agree the message was a bit missleading. misleading? Estamos trabajando en migrar a las nuevas listas de OpenOffice.org a DocumentFoundation y LibreOffice. Favor de registrarte aqu[í] en: the message is very clear: you are working to migrate the OpenOffice.org ES mailing list to the new Document Foundation and LibreOffice mailing lists Yes, I agree that the message is very clear and not misleading. We should let people take their own decisions. That is not the message anymore thought. Thanks, Ariel, for pointing this. -- Jesús Corrius je...@softcatala.org Document Foundation founding member Skype: jcorrius | Twitter: @jcorrius - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
