Re: AW: [news] NetCAT 9.0 proposal
I share the same opinion. For me personally quality is the most precious feature. I know that we all have been waiting for NetBeans 9.0 for more than a year now but good things need time. ;) Regarding release frequency, we should release only when it makes sense i.e. when a set of interesting new features is implemented together with a handful of critical bug fixes. Let's not follow the modern but insane corporate paranoia: "We must get it out quickly otherwise competition will be far ahead!" which only leads to frustration and disappointment both among development teams and end users. We are true open source project now! I don't want to go back to date driven release trains at all cost. -Jirka Dne 23.2.2018 v 17:03 cowwoc napsal(a): Same here. Stability first. Once we've got that down, then I'd favor a release schedule of 3-6 months. Gili On 2018-02-23 5:52 AM, Валера Солдатов wrote: My 2 cents. I wish to use stable and quick IDE. I don't want to update my working tool too often. 23.02.2018 13:01, Christian Lenz пишет: Really 10 Weeks? 2 more months? I mean I don’t know it really, because it is a huge Code base but im the future, my wish and I think from other People too, we want to have more release cycles and less time between Releases. My 2 cents. Von: Jan Lahoda Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Februar 2018 08:51 An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Cc: d...@netbeans.apache.org Betreff: Re: [news] NetCAT 9.0 proposal On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 11:06 PM, Sven Reimers wrote: +1.. Is this only on 10 or with 10 as Platform as well (thinking of var ...) My personal opinion: -NetBeans IDE should run on JDK 10 -ideally it should be possible to have a (J2SE/Maven) project using JDK 10 as well, including support for var (shouldn't be difficult, see the jdk18_3 branch in the official repository; depends on whether we can add a feature like this at this stage). -the NetBeans IDE itself can't use JDK 9/10 features, as it still should run on JDK 8. -for applications based on NetBeans platform, the build system currently does not (AFAIK) support JDK 9/10, but if someone wanted to work on that, I think it would be useful. Jan Looking forward to an awesine first Apache NetCat.. Sven P.S. Is Synergy already hosted on Apache infrastructure? Am 22.02.2018 22:59 schrieb "John Kostaras" : +1 On 22 February 2018 at 20:50, Jiří Kovalský wrote: Hello NetBeans community, now that we have Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta officially released to public we would like to start our traditional Beta testing program called NetCAT. We would like to send out the official invitation on Monday - February 26th but before we proceed Hermien and me would like to present our plan how NetCAT 9.0 will be organized and ask for constructive feedback. Please bear in mind to voice your concerns by the end of this week. We will attempt to address your questions or suggestions but we still hope you will simply like what we have prepared. :) Here we go: 1. NetCAT 9.0 will roughly take 10 weeks i.e. ~2 months. We allocated 2 weeks for review of test specifications, followed by 4 weeks of testing and bug fixing phase, at the end finished by 3 week long community acceptance survey. For more details see our projected schedule [1]. 2. The testing will be tracked in Synergy - NetBeans test specification and test run management system. NetCAT 9.0 participants will be divided into 9 tribes focusing on one of 9 crucial functionality areas each. 3. We have drafted quality criteria [2] which we would like to meet for the GA release. In short, we aim to fix all blocker issues, fix or waive all critical issues and fix all CA blockers. We would also like to take votes into account as you can read in the Bug Priority Guidelines [3]. 4. Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta will be primarily tested on latest JDK 8 and JDK 10. [1] https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.apache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_NetCAT-2B&d=DwIDaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=ujHcbmMkNwpWnKqCy-jXHGI0Kaxm4689-ErHws1DD-0&s=4rtnO7qW0bj_bQ0cQPFMK7IqFcvLoRBorPEbKjFmXRw&e= 9.0+Schedule [2] https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.apache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_NetBean&d=DwIDaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=ujHcbmMkNwpWnKqCy-jXHGI0Kaxm4689-ErHws1DD-0&s=vfwrsACQertGtA3IuRhOosO-QZeGSBzsO2IK7p-Dkps&e= s+9.0+Release+Criteria [3] https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cwiki.apache.org_confluence_display_NETBEANS_Bug-2B&d=DwIDaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=8_Pz0x0SKeT5e3IehhQKCbQ2xl3tz40jnCU133NrdP4&m=ujHcbmMkNwpWnKqCy-jXHGI0Kaxm4689-ErHws1DD-0&s=FrLMFtU24N51mae5kqwwV8FuzEoaw251EPrGApMDS_0&e= Priority+Guidelines Please let us know if we can fly with this plan. :) Thanks for your feedback! -- Best regards, Jirka & Hermie
Re: AW: [news] NetCAT 9.0 proposal
Same here. Stability first. Once we've got that down, then I'd favor a release schedule of 3-6 months. Gili On 2018-02-23 5:52 AM, Валера Солдатов wrote: My 2 cents. I wish to use stable and quick IDE. I don't want to update my working tool too often. 23.02.2018 13:01, Christian Lenz пишет: Really 10 Weeks? 2 more months? I mean I don’t know it really, because it is a huge Code base but im the future, my wish and I think from other People too, we want to have more release cycles and less time between Releases. My 2 cents. Von: Jan Lahoda Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Februar 2018 08:51 An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Cc: d...@netbeans.apache.org Betreff: Re: [news] NetCAT 9.0 proposal On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 11:06 PM, Sven Reimers wrote: +1.. Is this only on 10 or with 10 as Platform as well (thinking of var ...) My personal opinion: -NetBeans IDE should run on JDK 10 -ideally it should be possible to have a (J2SE/Maven) project using JDK 10 as well, including support for var (shouldn't be difficult, see the jdk18_3 branch in the official repository; depends on whether we can add a feature like this at this stage). -the NetBeans IDE itself can't use JDK 9/10 features, as it still should run on JDK 8. -for applications based on NetBeans platform, the build system currently does not (AFAIK) support JDK 9/10, but if someone wanted to work on that, I think it would be useful. Jan Looking forward to an awesine first Apache NetCat.. Sven P.S. Is Synergy already hosted on Apache infrastructure? Am 22.02.2018 22:59 schrieb "John Kostaras" : +1 On 22 February 2018 at 20:50, Jiří Kovalský wrote: Hello NetBeans community, now that we have Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta officially released to public we would like to start our traditional Beta testing program called NetCAT. We would like to send out the official invitation on Monday - February 26th but before we proceed Hermien and me would like to present our plan how NetCAT 9.0 will be organized and ask for constructive feedback. Please bear in mind to voice your concerns by the end of this week. We will attempt to address your questions or suggestions but we still hope you will simply like what we have prepared. :) Here we go: 1. NetCAT 9.0 will roughly take 10 weeks i.e. ~2 months. We allocated 2 weeks for review of test specifications, followed by 4 weeks of testing and bug fixing phase, at the end finished by 3 week long community acceptance survey. For more details see our projected schedule [1]. 2. The testing will be tracked in Synergy - NetBeans test specification and test run management system. NetCAT 9.0 participants will be divided into 9 tribes focusing on one of 9 crucial functionality areas each. 3. We have drafted quality criteria [2] which we would like to meet for the GA release. In short, we aim to fix all blocker issues, fix or waive all critical issues and fix all CA blockers. We would also like to take votes into account as you can read in the Bug Priority Guidelines [3]. 4. Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta will be primarily tested on latest JDK 8 and JDK 10. [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+ 9.0+Schedule [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBean s+9.0+Release+Criteria [3] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Bug+ Priority+Guidelines Please let us know if we can fly with this plan. :) Thanks for your feedback! -- Best regards, Jirka & Hermien - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.incubator. apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: AW: [news] NetCAT 9.0 proposal
My 2 cents. I wish to use stable and quick IDE. I don't want to update my working tool too often. 23.02.2018 13:01, Christian Lenz пишет: Really 10 Weeks? 2 more months? I mean I don’t know it really, because it is a huge Code base but im the future, my wish and I think from other People too, we want to have more release cycles and less time between Releases. My 2 cents. Von: Jan Lahoda Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Februar 2018 08:51 An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Cc: d...@netbeans.apache.org Betreff: Re: [news] NetCAT 9.0 proposal On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 11:06 PM, Sven Reimers wrote: +1.. Is this only on 10 or with 10 as Platform as well (thinking of var ...) My personal opinion: -NetBeans IDE should run on JDK 10 -ideally it should be possible to have a (J2SE/Maven) project using JDK 10 as well, including support for var (shouldn't be difficult, see the jdk18_3 branch in the official repository; depends on whether we can add a feature like this at this stage). -the NetBeans IDE itself can't use JDK 9/10 features, as it still should run on JDK 8. -for applications based on NetBeans platform, the build system currently does not (AFAIK) support JDK 9/10, but if someone wanted to work on that, I think it would be useful. Jan Looking forward to an awesine first Apache NetCat.. Sven P.S. Is Synergy already hosted on Apache infrastructure? Am 22.02.2018 22:59 schrieb "John Kostaras" : +1 On 22 February 2018 at 20:50, Jiří Kovalský wrote: Hello NetBeans community, now that we have Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta officially released to public we would like to start our traditional Beta testing program called NetCAT. We would like to send out the official invitation on Monday - February 26th but before we proceed Hermien and me would like to present our plan how NetCAT 9.0 will be organized and ask for constructive feedback. Please bear in mind to voice your concerns by the end of this week. We will attempt to address your questions or suggestions but we still hope you will simply like what we have prepared. :) Here we go: 1. NetCAT 9.0 will roughly take 10 weeks i.e. ~2 months. We allocated 2 weeks for review of test specifications, followed by 4 weeks of testing and bug fixing phase, at the end finished by 3 week long community acceptance survey. For more details see our projected schedule [1]. 2. The testing will be tracked in Synergy - NetBeans test specification and test run management system. NetCAT 9.0 participants will be divided into 9 tribes focusing on one of 9 crucial functionality areas each. 3. We have drafted quality criteria [2] which we would like to meet for the GA release. In short, we aim to fix all blocker issues, fix or waive all critical issues and fix all CA blockers. We would also like to take votes into account as you can read in the Bug Priority Guidelines [3]. 4. Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta will be primarily tested on latest JDK 8 and JDK 10. [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+ 9.0+Schedule [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetBean s+9.0+Release+Criteria [3] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Bug+ Priority+Guidelines Please let us know if we can fly with this plan. :) Thanks for your feedback! -- Best regards, Jirka & Hermien - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@netbeans.incubator. apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
