Re: AW: Platform API: Context-sensitive keyboard accelerators
On 2018-03-06 1:22 PM, Neil C Smith wrote: Historically maybe, but that would appear to not be an issue, because as I said, it now conflicts with Profile, but that doesn't cause problems? True. This no longer appears to be a valid issue (if it ever was) - there are lots of context-sensitive mnemonics all over the place. Or do they not work reliably cross-platform? So, surely a PR to change the message for Replace All to move the ampersand back in front of the A would be all that's needed? Filed https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-448 Thanks, Gili - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: AW: Platform API: Context-sensitive keyboard accelerators
On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 at 17:58 cowwoc wrote: > The trigger used to be ALT+A. It was changed to ALT+P because of > conflict with the Refactor pulldown menu. > Historically maybe, but that would appear to not be an issue, because as I said, it now conflicts with Profile, but that doesn't cause problems? ... On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 14:11 cowwoc wrote: > Netbeans has an extremely long (and getting longer) list of keyboard > shortcuts. > But, we're talking mnemonics not shortcuts here. > The platform API does not > allow mapping the same keyboard accelerator to different UI actions > depending on the context. This no longer appears to be a valid issue (if it ever was) - there are lots of context-sensitive mnemonics all over the place. Or do they not work reliably cross-platform? So, surely a PR to change the message for Replace All to move the ampersand back in front of the A would be all that's needed? Of course, if Jaroslav let me get https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-427 in, you could write a plugin to customize them! ;-) Best wishes, Neil -- Neil C Smith Artist & Technologist www.neilcsmith.net Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
Re: AW: Platform API: Context-sensitive keyboard accelerators
The trigger used to be ALT+A. It was changed to ALT+P because of conflict with the Refactor pulldown menu. See https://netbeans.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=222400 for the historical discussion. Gili On 2018-03-06 6:46 AM, Neil C Smith wrote: On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 at 19:44 cowwoc wrote: Unfortunately, I'm not too familiar with the internals. I filed https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-432 I'm confused by that bug - why would Alt-A trigger replace all? The underline is on the p. And for me Alt-P works - it doesn't open the Profile menu. ... not sure why it's Alt-P mind you? Best wishes, Neil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
Re: AW: Platform API: Context-sensitive keyboard accelerators
On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 at 19:44 cowwoc wrote: > Unfortunately, I'm not too familiar with the internals. I filed > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-432 > I'm confused by that bug - why would Alt-A trigger replace all? The underline is on the p. And for me Alt-P works - it doesn't open the Profile menu. ... not sure why it's Alt-P mind you? Best wishes, Neil -- Neil C Smith Artist & Technologist www.neilcsmith.net Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
Re: AW: Platform API: Context-sensitive keyboard accelerators
Unfortunately, I'm not too familiar with the internals. I filed https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-432 with a high-level overview of what a user expects. Hopefully someone who is familiar with this codebase can flesh out what this entails. Thank you, Gili On 2018-02-27 12:49 PM, Tim Boudreau wrote: I'd say file an RFE, but best to get as specific as possible about what mechanism needs to be changed and how. I.e. Exactly the desired behavior, what blocks it, and where the change would need to be. -Tim On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 11:00 AM cowwoc wrote: Is it okay if I file a RFE for this, or do you feel it should stew a bit longer in the mailing list? Gili On 2018-02-26 3:47 PM, Christian Lenz wrote: I figured out that problem too, but I don’t know whether this is window specific or not. Sure I think you can add a shortcut to your Code, which is already taken. You got a warning after NetBeans started that says: „there is a duplicate“. Maybe it overrides it or not, I don’t know atm. But if not and you created an Action, where you can Change the shortcut via KeyMap Options, you sometimes overrides existing ones (Which Shows you a warning or error that another one has the same etc.), but yes they should work context sensitve, and some are still working context sensitive, afaik. I set ctrl + b to Show the git browser for branches etc. This shortcut only Woks, when I select a Project. If I’m in the Editor, it will set a bookmark or open the bookmark window. So there is smth like a context sensitive way to implement shortcuts but I don’t know the logic at all. My 2 cents Cheers Chris Von: Tim Boudreau Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2018 19:59 An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Betreff: Re: Platform API: Context-sensitive keyboard accelerators It's been a long time since I worked on the code involved, so my recollection may be a little fuzzy, but this may help point you in a direction or two: There is a general problem that NetBeans supports, or at least used to support, both single window pseudo-SDI mode and a multiple windows mode. And keyboard shortcuts propagate down to the InputMap/KeyMap of the window in question. My recollection is that this was originally handled with an AWTEventListener, because that was the one way to guarantee shortcuts worked globally, no matter the windowing layout. I *think* we migrated that to something using InputMap/KeyMap around 2003 or so, but there may still be workarounds to ensure things work globally. What I'd suggest to try is an experiment - create a dialog with the dialogs API and try binding a key you know is bound as a global shortcut. Use InputMap/KeyMap and attach it to, most likely, the root pane of the dialog. If it works, then it's just a matter of implementing shortcuts in the right places (make sure to call consume() on the event to stop it propagating further). If it doesn't, then some more fundamental work that's likely to touch how key bindings work globally may be needed. Also bear in mind that key bindings are different for different platforms - on Mac OS, the alt key is a compose key for international characters and cannot have shortcuts bound to it (ctrl is used instead), and some keybindings are mapped to different keys for consistency with other Mac OS apps (there's a syntax for defining keybindings in OS-neutral ways, for declarative bindings). HTH, Tim On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 9:11 AM, cowwoc wrote: Hi, Netbeans has an extremely long (and getting longer) list of keyboard shortcuts. Part of the problem is that (for the most part) keyboard shortcuts are not context-sensitive nor are they able to be context-sensitive. I'll give you a simple example I raised a few years back: When the editor Find & Replace dialog is focused, we have "Replace" and "Replace All" buttons. It would be nice if we could map ALT+A to "Replace All" as many other applications do. Unfortunately, ALT+A is already mapped to the Refactor pulldown menu. The platform API does not allow mapping the same keyboard accelerator to different UI actions depending on the context. As a result, we end up with akward combinations like ALT+P for Replace All. Please see https://netbeans.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=222843 for additional context. Is anyone else interested in this issue? Is anyone interested in working on it? Thank you, Gili - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information abo
Re: AW: Platform API: Context-sensitive keyboard accelerators
I'd say file an RFE, but best to get as specific as possible about what mechanism needs to be changed and how. I.e. Exactly the desired behavior, what blocks it, and where the change would need to be. -Tim On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 11:00 AM cowwoc wrote: > Is it okay if I file a RFE for this, or do you feel it should stew a bit > longer in the mailing list? > > Gili > > On 2018-02-26 3:47 PM, Christian Lenz wrote: > > I figured out that problem too, but I don’t know whether this is window > specific or not. > > Sure I think you can add a shortcut to your Code, which is already > taken. You got a warning after NetBeans started that says: „there is a > duplicate“. > > Maybe it overrides it or not, I don’t know atm. But if not and you > created an Action, where you can Change the shortcut via KeyMap Options, > you sometimes overrides existing ones (Which Shows you a warning or error > that another one has the same etc.), but yes they should work context > sensitve, and some are still working context sensitive, afaik. > > > > I set ctrl + b to Show the git browser for branches etc. This shortcut > only Woks, when I select a Project. If I’m in the Editor, it will set a > bookmark or open the bookmark window. So there is smth like a context > sensitive way to implement shortcuts but I don’t know the logic at all. > > > > My 2 cents > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Chris > > > > Von: Tim Boudreau > > Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2018 19:59 > > An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > Betreff: Re: Platform API: Context-sensitive keyboard accelerators > > > > It's been a long time since I worked on the code involved, so my > > recollection may be a little fuzzy, but this may help point you in a > > direction or two: > > > > There is a general problem that NetBeans supports, or at least used to > > support, both single window pseudo-SDI mode and a multiple windows mode. > > And keyboard shortcuts propagate down to the InputMap/KeyMap of the > window > > in question. My recollection is that this was originally handled with an > > AWTEventListener, because that was the one way to guarantee shortcuts > > worked globally, no matter the windowing layout. I *think* we migrated > > that to something using InputMap/KeyMap around 2003 or so, but there may > > still be workarounds to ensure things work globally. > > > > What I'd suggest to try is an experiment - create a dialog with the > dialogs > > API and try binding a key you know is bound as a global shortcut. Use > > InputMap/KeyMap and attach it to, most likely, the root pane of the > dialog. > > > > If it works, then it's just a matter of implementing shortcuts in the > right > > places (make sure to call consume() on the event to stop it propagating > > further). If it doesn't, then some more fundamental work that's likely > to > > touch how key bindings work globally may be needed. > > > > Also bear in mind that key bindings are different for different > platforms - > > on Mac OS, the alt key is a compose key for international characters and > > cannot have shortcuts bound to it (ctrl is used instead), and some > > keybindings are mapped to different keys for consistency with other Mac > OS > > apps (there's a syntax for defining keybindings in OS-neutral ways, for > > declarative bindings). > > > > HTH, > > > > Tim > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 9:11 AM, cowwoc wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> Netbeans has an extremely long (and getting longer) list of keyboard > >> shortcuts. Part of the problem is that (for the most part) keyboard > >> shortcuts are not context-sensitive nor are they able to be > >> context-sensitive. I'll give you a simple example I raised a few years > back: > >> > >> When the editor Find & Replace dialog is focused, we have "Replace" and > >> "Replace All" buttons. It would be nice if we could map ALT+A to > "Replace > >> All" as many other applications do. Unfortunately, ALT+A is already > mapped > >> to the Refactor pulldown menu. The platform API does not allow mapping > the > >> same keyboard accelerator to different UI actions depending on the > context. > >> As a result, we end up with akward combinations like ALT+P for Replace > All. > >> > >> Please see https://netbeans.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=222843 for > >> additional context. > >> > >> Is anyone else interested in this issue? Is anyone interested in working > >> on it? > >> > >> Thank you, > >> Gili > >> > >> > >> - > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > >> > >> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > For additional commands,
Re: AW: Platform API: Context-sensitive keyboard accelerators
Is it okay if I file a RFE for this, or do you feel it should stew a bit longer in the mailing list? Gili On 2018-02-26 3:47 PM, Christian Lenz wrote: I figured out that problem too, but I don’t know whether this is window specific or not. Sure I think you can add a shortcut to your Code, which is already taken. You got a warning after NetBeans started that says: „there is a duplicate“. Maybe it overrides it or not, I don’t know atm. But if not and you created an Action, where you can Change the shortcut via KeyMap Options, you sometimes overrides existing ones (Which Shows you a warning or error that another one has the same etc.), but yes they should work context sensitve, and some are still working context sensitive, afaik. I set ctrl + b to Show the git browser for branches etc. This shortcut only Woks, when I select a Project. If I’m in the Editor, it will set a bookmark or open the bookmark window. So there is smth like a context sensitive way to implement shortcuts but I don’t know the logic at all. My 2 cents Cheers Chris Von: Tim Boudreau Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2018 19:59 An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Betreff: Re: Platform API: Context-sensitive keyboard accelerators It's been a long time since I worked on the code involved, so my recollection may be a little fuzzy, but this may help point you in a direction or two: There is a general problem that NetBeans supports, or at least used to support, both single window pseudo-SDI mode and a multiple windows mode. And keyboard shortcuts propagate down to the InputMap/KeyMap of the window in question. My recollection is that this was originally handled with an AWTEventListener, because that was the one way to guarantee shortcuts worked globally, no matter the windowing layout. I *think* we migrated that to something using InputMap/KeyMap around 2003 or so, but there may still be workarounds to ensure things work globally. What I'd suggest to try is an experiment - create a dialog with the dialogs API and try binding a key you know is bound as a global shortcut. Use InputMap/KeyMap and attach it to, most likely, the root pane of the dialog. If it works, then it's just a matter of implementing shortcuts in the right places (make sure to call consume() on the event to stop it propagating further). If it doesn't, then some more fundamental work that's likely to touch how key bindings work globally may be needed. Also bear in mind that key bindings are different for different platforms - on Mac OS, the alt key is a compose key for international characters and cannot have shortcuts bound to it (ctrl is used instead), and some keybindings are mapped to different keys for consistency with other Mac OS apps (there's a syntax for defining keybindings in OS-neutral ways, for declarative bindings). HTH, Tim On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 9:11 AM, cowwoc wrote: Hi, Netbeans has an extremely long (and getting longer) list of keyboard shortcuts. Part of the problem is that (for the most part) keyboard shortcuts are not context-sensitive nor are they able to be context-sensitive. I'll give you a simple example I raised a few years back: When the editor Find & Replace dialog is focused, we have "Replace" and "Replace All" buttons. It would be nice if we could map ALT+A to "Replace All" as many other applications do. Unfortunately, ALT+A is already mapped to the Refactor pulldown menu. The platform API does not allow mapping the same keyboard accelerator to different UI actions depending on the context. As a result, we end up with akward combinations like ALT+P for Replace All. Please see https://netbeans.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=222843 for additional context. Is anyone else interested in this issue? Is anyone interested in working on it? Thank you, Gili - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
