Re: What is the "Apache OFBiz" product?
Just a caution about naming conventions. We should not use names that make internal sense while the user base (existing and potential) get confused about exactly what we mean. If its a spade, let's call it a spade. The terms which may cause confusion are "Enterprise" and "Automation" as used in for example the suggestions "Enterprise Automation Framework" and "Enterprise Automation Platform". 1. The term Enterprise (in a software context) is often used to refer to paid versions as opposed to community versions. eg MySQL Enterprise. I suggest that we only use it in conjunction with the word "Applications" or in the context of the classical ERP terminology. 2. "Automation" in this context is confusing as it has more relevance to technical processes rather than business processes. I suggest that we refrain from using it all together. 3. I also suggest that we drop the word "Software" complete from the naming as it is implied and using it would be redundant. In the light of the above I suggest the following: 1. Top level name : Apache OFBiz ERP 1.1 OFBiz Framework (Framework, Data Model And Service Library) 1.2 OFBiz Business Applications (Classic ERP applications - Accounting, etc) 1.3 OFBiz Verticals (Industry Special Applications - these could be plugins - eg. OFBiz Healthcare, OFBiz Ecommerce, OFBiz Hospitality, OFBiz Utilities) 1.4 OFBiz Plugins (Clientside plugins eg Mobile, POS etc, Javascript Frameworks) Regards Gavin On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Taher Alkhateebwrote: > Very nice Jacopo, I really like it. Each layer communicates its intent > clearly, and maps nicely to the name of the svn repository > (ofbiz-framework, ofbiz-core, ofbiz-erp, ofbiz-plugins) > > On Jan 14, 2017 1:37 PM, "Jacopo Cappellato" < > jacopo.cappell...@hotwaxsystems.com> wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Taher Alkhateeb < > > slidingfilame...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > [...] > > > > But if we break the code similar to the way it > > > was discussed in the above thread, then maybe we should have multiple > > > names: > > > > > > > I agree we should find a product name for each of our (future) products. > > > > > > > layer 1: The Apache OFBiz Enterprise Automation Framework > > > layer 2: The Apache OFBiz Data Model And Service Library > > > layer 3: The Apache OFBiz ERP Application > > > layer 4: The Apache OFBiz Plugins > > > > > > > Or we could separate the name from its description like: > > > > layer 1: The Apache OFBiz Enterprise Automation Framework is a > > platform... > > > > layer 2: The Apache OFBiz Coreprovides Data Model And Service > > Library... > > > > layer 3: The Apache OFBiz ERP Application is a suite of > > applications for enterprises... > > layer 4: The Apache OFBiz Plugins are extensions for > > enterprises. > > > > Jacopo > > >
Re: What is the "Apache OFBiz" product?
Very nice Jacopo, I really like it. Each layer communicates its intent clearly, and maps nicely to the name of the svn repository (ofbiz-framework, ofbiz-core, ofbiz-erp, ofbiz-plugins) On Jan 14, 2017 1:37 PM, "Jacopo Cappellato" < jacopo.cappell...@hotwaxsystems.com> wrote: > On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Taher Alkhateeb < > slidingfilame...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > [...] > > But if we break the code similar to the way it > > was discussed in the above thread, then maybe we should have multiple > > names: > > > > I agree we should find a product name for each of our (future) products. > > > > layer 1: The Apache OFBiz Enterprise Automation Framework > > layer 2: The Apache OFBiz Data Model And Service Library > > layer 3: The Apache OFBiz ERP Application > > layer 4: The Apache OFBiz Plugins > > > > Or we could separate the name from its description like: > > layer 1: The Apache OFBiz Enterprise Automation Framework is a > platform... > > layer 2: The Apache OFBiz Coreprovides Data Model And Service > Library... > > layer 3: The Apache OFBiz ERP Application is a suite of > applications for enterprises... > layer 4: The Apache OFBiz Plugins are extensions for > enterprises. > > Jacopo >
Re: What is the "Apache OFBiz" product?
I think it's indeed a better way to think about it, as Jacopo explained we can deliver several products Jacques Le 14/01/2017 à 11:21, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit : Very interesting, Michael's work actually made me realize that we should think about the name differently. Given our discussion in another thread about breaking down the repositories into multiple chunks (http://markmail.org/message/bjvqu23ofwzuk57y) I think we should consider multiple names for multiple purposes. Maybe this thread started a little bit early because we did not yet decide on how to break the code. But if we break the code similar to the way it was discussed in the above thread, then maybe we should have multiple names: layer 1: The Apache OFBiz Enterprise Automation Framework layer 2: The Apache OFBiz Data Model And Service Library layer 3: The Apache OFBiz ERP Application layer 4: The Apache OFBiz Plugins On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Gavin Mabiewrote: Thanks Michael. The list makes the differences stand out clearly. Gavin On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Michael Brohl wrote: addition: I took the freedom to adjust the uppercase/lowercase of the proposals. Am 14.01.17 um 10:53 schrieb Michael Brohl: Thanks for starting this initiative, Jacopo. I have started a compilation of the proposals and suggestions coming out of this discussion here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/IBUIB @Sharan: I thought it's agood place to put it under your drafts tree, please suggest another place if it does not fit. Regards, Michael PS: Searching for a good place, I found our Wiki layout is a mess... time to clean up and re-structure. But that's another discussion ;-) Am 11.01.17 um 14:51 schrieb Jacopo Cappellato: *Rationale* "Apache OFBiz" is one of our trademarks. And we apply it to our project and product; we say: 1) the "Apache OFBiz" project or the "Apache OFBiz" community 2) the "Apache OFBiz" product (i.e. the downloadable software package that we release) While #1 is pretty much a satisfactory definition, I find that "product" is a too generic term and that we could find and agree upon a more precise and "official" definition. It is worth noting that the trademark best practices says that you should never use the trademark on a product as a noun but rather as an adjective. So for example: - this is *not* correct (noun): "download Apache OFBiz from here" - this *is* correct (adjective): "download the Apache OFBiz product from here" *Discussion Item* Can we find a better definition for our product than... "product" or "software product"? For example we could consider (after reading this definition [*]): The "Apache OFBiz" software suite or The "Apache OFBiz" suite or The "Apache OFBiz" ERP software suite or The "Apache OFBiz" ERP suite etc... Any ideas? Please try to fill the placeholder below with the string that you find more suited: The "Apache OFBiz" If we agree upon an "official" definition then we could use it consistently in our website, announcements, social media etc... Regards, Jacopo [*] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_suite
Re: What is the "Apache OFBiz" product?
On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Taher Alkhateeb < slidingfilame...@gmail.com> wrote: > [...] But if we break the code similar to the way it > was discussed in the above thread, then maybe we should have multiple > names: > I agree we should find a product name for each of our (future) products. > layer 1: The Apache OFBiz Enterprise Automation Framework > layer 2: The Apache OFBiz Data Model And Service Library > layer 3: The Apache OFBiz ERP Application > layer 4: The Apache OFBiz Plugins > Or we could separate the name from its description like: layer 1: The Apache OFBiz Enterprise Automation Framework is a platform... layer 2: The Apache OFBiz Coreprovides Data Model And Service Library... layer 3: The Apache OFBiz ERP Application is a suite of applications for enterprises... layer 4: The Apache OFBiz Plugins are extensions for enterprises. Jacopo
Re: What is the "Apache OFBiz" product?
Very interesting, Michael's work actually made me realize that we should think about the name differently. Given our discussion in another thread about breaking down the repositories into multiple chunks (http://markmail.org/message/bjvqu23ofwzuk57y) I think we should consider multiple names for multiple purposes. Maybe this thread started a little bit early because we did not yet decide on how to break the code. But if we break the code similar to the way it was discussed in the above thread, then maybe we should have multiple names: layer 1: The Apache OFBiz Enterprise Automation Framework layer 2: The Apache OFBiz Data Model And Service Library layer 3: The Apache OFBiz ERP Application layer 4: The Apache OFBiz Plugins On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Gavin Mabiewrote: > Thanks Michael. The list makes the differences stand out clearly. > > Gavin > > On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Michael Brohl > wrote: > > > addition: I took the freedom to adjust the uppercase/lowercase of the > > proposals. > > > > > > Am 14.01.17 um 10:53 schrieb Michael Brohl: > > > > Thanks for starting this initiative, Jacopo. > >> > >> I have started a compilation of the proposals and suggestions coming out > >> of this discussion here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/IBUIB > >> > >> @Sharan: I thought it's agood place to put it under your drafts tree, > >> please suggest another place if it does not fit. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Michael > >> > >> > >> PS: Searching for a good place, I found our Wiki layout is a mess... > time > >> to clean up and re-structure. But that's another discussion ;-) > >> > >> > >> Am 11.01.17 um 14:51 schrieb Jacopo Cappellato: > >> > >>> *Rationale* > >>> > >>> "Apache OFBiz" is one of our trademarks. And we apply it to our project > >>> and > >>> product; we say: > >>> 1) the "Apache OFBiz" project or the "Apache OFBiz" community > >>> 2) the "Apache OFBiz" product (i.e. the downloadable software package > >>> that > >>> we release) > >>> > >>> While #1 is pretty much a satisfactory definition, I find that > "product" > >>> is > >>> a too generic term and that we could find and agree upon a more precise > >>> and > >>> "official" definition. > >>> It is worth noting that the trademark best practices says that you > should > >>> never use the trademark on a product as a noun but rather as an > >>> adjective. > >>> So for example: > >>> - this is *not* correct (noun): "download Apache OFBiz from here" > >>> - this *is* correct (adjective): "download the Apache OFBiz product > from > >>> here" > >>> > >>> *Discussion Item* > >>> > >>> Can we find a better definition for our product than... "product" or > >>> "software product"? > >>> > >>> For example we could consider (after reading this definition [*]): > >>> The "Apache OFBiz" software suite or > >>> The "Apache OFBiz" suite or > >>> The "Apache OFBiz" ERP software suite or > >>> The "Apache OFBiz" ERP suite > >>> etc... > >>> > >>> Any ideas? Please try to fill the placeholder below with the string > >>> that you find more suited: > >>> > >>> The "Apache OFBiz" > >>> > >>> If we agree upon an "official" definition then we could use it > >>> consistently > >>> in our website, announcements, social media etc... > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Jacopo > >>> > >>> [*] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_suite > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >
Re: What is the "Apache OFBiz" product?
Thanks Michael. The list makes the differences stand out clearly. Gavin On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Michael Brohlwrote: > addition: I took the freedom to adjust the uppercase/lowercase of the > proposals. > > > Am 14.01.17 um 10:53 schrieb Michael Brohl: > > Thanks for starting this initiative, Jacopo. >> >> I have started a compilation of the proposals and suggestions coming out >> of this discussion here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/IBUIB >> >> @Sharan: I thought it's agood place to put it under your drafts tree, >> please suggest another place if it does not fit. >> >> Regards, >> >> Michael >> >> >> PS: Searching for a good place, I found our Wiki layout is a mess... time >> to clean up and re-structure. But that's another discussion ;-) >> >> >> Am 11.01.17 um 14:51 schrieb Jacopo Cappellato: >> >>> *Rationale* >>> >>> "Apache OFBiz" is one of our trademarks. And we apply it to our project >>> and >>> product; we say: >>> 1) the "Apache OFBiz" project or the "Apache OFBiz" community >>> 2) the "Apache OFBiz" product (i.e. the downloadable software package >>> that >>> we release) >>> >>> While #1 is pretty much a satisfactory definition, I find that "product" >>> is >>> a too generic term and that we could find and agree upon a more precise >>> and >>> "official" definition. >>> It is worth noting that the trademark best practices says that you should >>> never use the trademark on a product as a noun but rather as an >>> adjective. >>> So for example: >>> - this is *not* correct (noun): "download Apache OFBiz from here" >>> - this *is* correct (adjective): "download the Apache OFBiz product from >>> here" >>> >>> *Discussion Item* >>> >>> Can we find a better definition for our product than... "product" or >>> "software product"? >>> >>> For example we could consider (after reading this definition [*]): >>> The "Apache OFBiz" software suite or >>> The "Apache OFBiz" suite or >>> The "Apache OFBiz" ERP software suite or >>> The "Apache OFBiz" ERP suite >>> etc... >>> >>> Any ideas? Please try to fill the placeholder below with the string >>> that you find more suited: >>> >>> The "Apache OFBiz" >>> >>> If we agree upon an "official" definition then we could use it >>> consistently >>> in our website, announcements, social media etc... >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Jacopo >>> >>> [*] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_suite >>> >>> >> >> > >
Re: What is the "Apache OFBiz" product?
addition: I took the freedom to adjust the uppercase/lowercase of the proposals. Am 14.01.17 um 10:53 schrieb Michael Brohl: Thanks for starting this initiative, Jacopo. I have started a compilation of the proposals and suggestions coming out of this discussion here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/IBUIB @Sharan: I thought it's agood place to put it under your drafts tree, please suggest another place if it does not fit. Regards, Michael PS: Searching for a good place, I found our Wiki layout is a mess... time to clean up and re-structure. But that's another discussion ;-) Am 11.01.17 um 14:51 schrieb Jacopo Cappellato: *Rationale* "Apache OFBiz" is one of our trademarks. And we apply it to our project and product; we say: 1) the "Apache OFBiz" project or the "Apache OFBiz" community 2) the "Apache OFBiz" product (i.e. the downloadable software package that we release) While #1 is pretty much a satisfactory definition, I find that "product" is a too generic term and that we could find and agree upon a more precise and "official" definition. It is worth noting that the trademark best practices says that you should never use the trademark on a product as a noun but rather as an adjective. So for example: - this is *not* correct (noun): "download Apache OFBiz from here" - this *is* correct (adjective): "download the Apache OFBiz product from here" *Discussion Item* Can we find a better definition for our product than... "product" or "software product"? For example we could consider (after reading this definition [*]): The "Apache OFBiz" software suite or The "Apache OFBiz" suite or The "Apache OFBiz" ERP software suite or The "Apache OFBiz" ERP suite etc... Any ideas? Please try to fill the placeholder below with the string that you find more suited: The "Apache OFBiz" If we agree upon an "official" definition then we could use it consistently in our website, announcements, social media etc... Regards, Jacopo [*] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_suite smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: What is the "Apache OFBiz" product?
Thanks for starting this initiative, Jacopo. I have started a compilation of the proposals and suggestions coming out of this discussion here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/IBUIB @Sharan: I thought it's agood place to put it under your drafts tree, please suggest another place if it does not fit. Regards, Michael PS: Searching for a good place, I found our Wiki layout is a mess... time to clean up and re-structure. But that's another discussion ;-) Am 11.01.17 um 14:51 schrieb Jacopo Cappellato: *Rationale* "Apache OFBiz" is one of our trademarks. And we apply it to our project and product; we say: 1) the "Apache OFBiz" project or the "Apache OFBiz" community 2) the "Apache OFBiz" product (i.e. the downloadable software package that we release) While #1 is pretty much a satisfactory definition, I find that "product" is a too generic term and that we could find and agree upon a more precise and "official" definition. It is worth noting that the trademark best practices says that you should never use the trademark on a product as a noun but rather as an adjective. So for example: - this is *not* correct (noun): "download Apache OFBiz from here" - this *is* correct (adjective): "download the Apache OFBiz product from here" *Discussion Item* Can we find a better definition for our product than... "product" or "software product"? For example we could consider (after reading this definition [*]): The "Apache OFBiz" software suite or The "Apache OFBiz" suite or The "Apache OFBiz" ERP software suite or The "Apache OFBiz" ERP suite etc... Any ideas? Please try to fill the placeholder below with the string that you find more suited: The "Apache OFBiz" If we agree upon an "official" definition then we could use it consistently in our website, announcements, social media etc... Regards, Jacopo [*] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_suite smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: What is the "Apache OFBiz" product?
+1 to "Apache OFBiz Enterprise automation Platform" but +1 too to "Apache OFBiz enterprise automation framework" +1 on idea that ERP, CRM, eCommerce, ... will be the futurs products (base on "Apache OFBiz Enterprise automation PLatform" of course) from Apache Ofbiz community or Companies Le 12/01/2017 à 23:48, Scott Gray a écrit : > I prefer "Business" to "ERP" or "Enterprise" but I'm not sure about the > repeating syllables involved in saying "Apache OFBiz Business {thing}". > The biz biz doesn't flow well so I'm inclined to fall back to "Enterprise". > > Another adjective to consider over "framework" might be "platform". > > The framework could be marketed as: > The Apache OFBiz Enterprise Platform > with the "core" applications being: > The Apache OFBiz Core Application Suite > > Regards > Scott > > > On 12 January 2017 at 19:26, Jacopo Cappellato < > jacopo.cappell...@hotwaxsystems.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 6:44 PM, Nicolas Malin>> wrote: >> >>> I don't like the term ERP because is so reduced term for OFBiz dans all >>> product that can register a task for a party and a product is an ERP >>> >>> I prefer "Apache OFBiz enterprise automation framework" >>> >>> The term ERP or Business suite will come with the plugin addition to the >>> OFBiz core. >>> >>> Nicolas >> >> >> I also like the shorter ones: >> >> The "Apache OFBiz" enterprise framework >> The "Apache OFBiz" enterprise suite (which is similar to the one proposed >> by Gavin, that I also like, that has the word "business" instead on >> "enterprise") >> My concern with the word ERP is that it is an acronym and ends up being too >> close to the word OFBiz, which is also some sort of acronym, and the >> concatenated string may look confusing: "Apache OFBiz ERP". >> Another concern with the name "enterprise framework" is that, when/if we >> will release a separate product containing only the OFBiz framework, this >> name would be confusing: in fact my preference is to allocate "framework" >> for that product (if we will ever release it). >> >> Anyway, great proposals so far... I hope the brainstorming will continue! >> Any volunteer to list *all* the ideas to a Confluence page (maybe even with >> relevant comments from this thread behind each proposal)? >> >> Jacopo >> >
Re: What is the "Apache OFBiz" product?
The "Apache OFBiz" ERP suite I prefer ERP because this is what most people are familiar with. Enterprise automation framework might be a better description, but in the end, it's about selling... Christian Am 11.01.2017 14:51, schrieb Jacopo Cappellato: > *Rationale* > > "Apache OFBiz" is one of our trademarks. And we apply it to our project and > product; we say: > 1) the "Apache OFBiz" project or the "Apache OFBiz" community > 2) the "Apache OFBiz" product (i.e. the downloadable software package that > we release) > > While #1 is pretty much a satisfactory definition, I find that "product" is > a too generic term and that we could find and agree upon a more precise and > "official" definition. > It is worth noting that the trademark best practices says that you should > never use the trademark on a product as a noun but rather as an adjective. > So for example: > - this is *not* correct (noun): "download Apache OFBiz from here" > - this *is* correct (adjective): "download the Apache OFBiz product from > here" > > *Discussion Item* > > Can we find a better definition for our product than... "product" or > "software product"? > > For example we could consider (after reading this definition [*]): > The "Apache OFBiz" software suite or > The "Apache OFBiz" suite or > The "Apache OFBiz" ERP software suite or > The "Apache OFBiz" ERP suite > etc... > > Any ideas? Please try to fill the placeholder below with the string > that you find more suited: > > The "Apache OFBiz" > > If we agree upon an "official" definition then we could use it consistently > in our website, announcements, social media etc... > > Regards, > > Jacopo > > [*] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_suite > -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Christian Geisert ISU GmbH * Bussardweg 4 * 76356 Weingarten * Germany Tel. 07243/7189838 * Fax 07243/7189839 www.isu-gmbh.de * christian.geis...@isu-gmbh.de Geschäftsführerin: Renate Glasenapp Amtsgericht Mannheim HRB 106505 USt.-Id Nr. DE 158792445 St.-Nr. 34 413 82630
Re: What is the "Apache OFBiz" product?
I prefer "Business" to "ERP" or "Enterprise" but I'm not sure about the repeating syllables involved in saying "Apache OFBiz Business {thing}". The biz biz doesn't flow well so I'm inclined to fall back to "Enterprise". Another adjective to consider over "framework" might be "platform". The framework could be marketed as: The Apache OFBiz Enterprise Platform with the "core" applications being: The Apache OFBiz Core Application Suite Regards Scott On 12 January 2017 at 19:26, Jacopo Cappellato < jacopo.cappell...@hotwaxsystems.com> wrote: > On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 6:44 PM, Nicolas Malin> wrote: > > > I don't like the term ERP because is so reduced term for OFBiz dans all > > product that can register a task for a party and a product is an ERP > > > > I prefer "Apache OFBiz enterprise automation framework" > > > > The term ERP or Business suite will come with the plugin addition to the > > OFBiz core. > > > > Nicolas > > > I also like the shorter ones: > > The "Apache OFBiz" enterprise framework > The "Apache OFBiz" enterprise suite (which is similar to the one proposed > by Gavin, that I also like, that has the word "business" instead on > "enterprise") > My concern with the word ERP is that it is an acronym and ends up being too > close to the word OFBiz, which is also some sort of acronym, and the > concatenated string may look confusing: "Apache OFBiz ERP". > Another concern with the name "enterprise framework" is that, when/if we > will release a separate product containing only the OFBiz framework, this > name would be confusing: in fact my preference is to allocate "framework" > for that product (if we will ever release it). > > Anyway, great proposals so far... I hope the brainstorming will continue! > Any volunteer to list *all* the ideas to a Confluence page (maybe even with > relevant comments from this thread behind each proposal)? > > Jacopo >
RE: What is the "Apache OFBiz" product?
My two cents: "Apache OFbiz enterprise solution suite" Thanks & Regards, Swapnil -Original Message- From: Jacopo Cappellato [mailto:jacopo.cappell...@hotwaxsystems.com] Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 11:57 AM To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org Subject: Re: What is the "Apache OFBiz" product? On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 6:44 PM, Nicolas Malin <nicolas.ma...@nereide.fr> wrote: > I don't like the term ERP because is so reduced term for OFBiz dans > all product that can register a task for a party and a product is an > ERP > > I prefer "Apache OFBiz enterprise automation framework" > > The term ERP or Business suite will come with the plugin addition to > the OFBiz core. > > Nicolas I also like the shorter ones: The "Apache OFBiz" enterprise framework The "Apache OFBiz" enterprise suite (which is similar to the one proposed by Gavin, that I also like, that has the word "business" instead on "enterprise") My concern with the word ERP is that it is an acronym and ends up being too close to the word OFBiz, which is also some sort of acronym, and the concatenated string may look confusing: "Apache OFBiz ERP". Another concern with the name "enterprise framework" is that, when/if we will release a separate product containing only the OFBiz framework, this name would be confusing: in fact my preference is to allocate "framework" for that product (if we will ever release it). Anyway, great proposals so far... I hope the brainstorming will continue! Any volunteer to list *all* the ideas to a Confluence page (maybe even with relevant comments from this thread behind each proposal)? Jacopo
Re: What is the "Apache OFBiz" product?
+1 for "Apache OFBiz enterprise automation framework" also. On 12 January 2017 at 02:06, Hans Bakkerwrote: > +1 for "Apache OFBiz enterprise automation framework" > > and perhaps later create a new product "OFBiz Business suite" based on the > framework which is ready for direct use. > > However currently leave the immediate consumption for the systems like > Hotwax e-commerce, Ilscipio ERP and GrowERP and others > > Regards, > Hans > > On 12/01/17 00:44, Nicolas Malin wrote: > >> I don't like the term ERP because is so reduced term for OFBiz dans all >> product that can register a task for a party and a product is an ERP >> >> I prefer "Apache OFBiz enterprise automation framework" >> >> The term ERP or Business suite will come with the plugin addition to the >> OFBiz core. >> >> Nicolas >> >> Le 11/01/2017 à 17:15, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit : >> >>> Agreed Jacopo, >>> >>> My preference would be The "Apache OFBiz" ERP suite. The reason is >>> that the >>> term ERP is very popular and understandable to business folks. It also >>> conveys the heart of what this product is all about. Yes it is not yet >>> refined for immediate consumption by end users, but that does not prevent >>> usage of the term. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 11, 2017 6:19 PM, "Jacopo Cappellato" >> hotwaxsystems.com> wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Julien NICOLAS >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> [...] This is why I prefer the actual sentence "Apache OFBiz® is an open source product for the automation of enterprise processes that includes framework components and business applications" >From a trademark best practice perspective the above is incorrect >>> (yeah... >>> it is in our website) and should be changed to its equivalent: >>> >>> "The Apache OFBiz® open source product for the automation of enterprise >>> processes" >>> >>> and its longer (descriptive) version would be: >>> >>> "The Apache OFBiz® open source product for the automation of enterprise >>> processes includes framework components and business applications" >>> >>> A bit ugly. >>> >>> Jacopo >>> >>> >> > -- > > Regards, > > Hans Bakker > CEO, http://antwebsystems.com > -- Rupert Howell Provolve Ltd Front Office, Deale House, 16 Lavant Street, Petersfield, GU32 3EW, UK t: 01730 267868 / m: 079 0968 5308 e: ruperthow...@provolve.com w: http://www.provolve.com
Re: What is the "Apache OFBiz" product?
On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 6:44 PM, Nicolas Malinwrote: > I don't like the term ERP because is so reduced term for OFBiz dans all > product that can register a task for a party and a product is an ERP > > I prefer "Apache OFBiz enterprise automation framework" > > The term ERP or Business suite will come with the plugin addition to the > OFBiz core. > > Nicolas I also like the shorter ones: The "Apache OFBiz" enterprise framework The "Apache OFBiz" enterprise suite (which is similar to the one proposed by Gavin, that I also like, that has the word "business" instead on "enterprise") My concern with the word ERP is that it is an acronym and ends up being too close to the word OFBiz, which is also some sort of acronym, and the concatenated string may look confusing: "Apache OFBiz ERP". Another concern with the name "enterprise framework" is that, when/if we will release a separate product containing only the OFBiz framework, this name would be confusing: in fact my preference is to allocate "framework" for that product (if we will ever release it). Anyway, great proposals so far... I hope the brainstorming will continue! Any volunteer to list *all* the ideas to a Confluence page (maybe even with relevant comments from this thread behind each proposal)? Jacopo
Re: What is the "Apache OFBiz" product?
+1 for "Apache OFBiz enterprise automation framework" and perhaps later create a new product "OFBiz Business suite" based on the framework which is ready for direct use. However currently leave the immediate consumption for the systems like Hotwax e-commerce, Ilscipio ERP and GrowERP and others Regards, Hans On 12/01/17 00:44, Nicolas Malin wrote: I don't like the term ERP because is so reduced term for OFBiz dans all product that can register a task for a party and a product is an ERP I prefer "Apache OFBiz enterprise automation framework" The term ERP or Business suite will come with the plugin addition to the OFBiz core. Nicolas Le 11/01/2017 à 17:15, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit : Agreed Jacopo, My preference would be The "Apache OFBiz" ERP suite. The reason is that the term ERP is very popular and understandable to business folks. It also conveys the heart of what this product is all about. Yes it is not yet refined for immediate consumption by end users, but that does not prevent usage of the term. On Jan 11, 2017 6:19 PM, "Jacopo Cappellato"wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Julien NICOLAS wrote: [...] This is why I prefer the actual sentence "Apache OFBiz® is an open source product for the automation of enterprise processes that includes framework components and business applications" >From a trademark best practice perspective the above is incorrect (yeah... it is in our website) and should be changed to its equivalent: "The Apache OFBiz® open source product for the automation of enterprise processes" and its longer (descriptive) version would be: "The Apache OFBiz® open source product for the automation of enterprise processes includes framework components and business applications" A bit ugly. Jacopo -- Regards, Hans Bakker CEO, http://antwebsystems.com
Re: What is the "Apache OFBiz" product?
I don't like the term ERP because is so reduced term for OFBiz dans all product that can register a task for a party and a product is an ERP I prefer "Apache OFBiz enterprise automation framework" The term ERP or Business suite will come with the plugin addition to the OFBiz core. Nicolas Le 11/01/2017 à 17:15, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit : Agreed Jacopo, My preference would be The "Apache OFBiz" ERP suite. The reason is that the term ERP is very popular and understandable to business folks. It also conveys the heart of what this product is all about. Yes it is not yet refined for immediate consumption by end users, but that does not prevent usage of the term. On Jan 11, 2017 6:19 PM, "Jacopo Cappellato"wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Julien NICOLAS wrote: [...] This is why I prefer the actual sentence "Apache OFBiz® is an open source product for the automation of enterprise processes that includes framework components and business applications" >From a trademark best practice perspective the above is incorrect (yeah... it is in our website) and should be changed to its equivalent: "The Apache OFBiz® open source product for the automation of enterprise processes" and its longer (descriptive) version would be: "The Apache OFBiz® open source product for the automation of enterprise processes includes framework components and business applications" A bit ugly. Jacopo
Re: What is the "Apache OFBiz" product?
Agreed Jacopo, My preference would be The "Apache OFBiz" ERP suite. The reason is that the term ERP is very popular and understandable to business folks. It also conveys the heart of what this product is all about. Yes it is not yet refined for immediate consumption by end users, but that does not prevent usage of the term. On Jan 11, 2017 6:19 PM, "Jacopo Cappellato"wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Julien NICOLAS wrote: > [...] > This is why I prefer the actual sentence "Apache OFBiz® is an open source > product for the automation of enterprise processes that includes framework > components and business applications" > >From a trademark best practice perspective the above is incorrect (yeah... it is in our website) and should be changed to its equivalent: "The Apache OFBiz® open source product for the automation of enterprise processes" and its longer (descriptive) version would be: "The Apache OFBiz® open source product for the automation of enterprise processes includes framework components and business applications" A bit ugly. Jacopo
Re: What is the "Apache OFBiz" product?
On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Julien NICOLASwrote: > [...] > This is why I prefer the actual sentence "Apache OFBiz® is an open source > product for the automation of enterprise processes that includes framework > components and business applications" > >From a trademark best practice perspective the above is incorrect (yeah... it is in our website) and should be changed to its equivalent: "The Apache OFBiz® open source product for the automation of enterprise processes" and its longer (descriptive) version would be: "The Apache OFBiz® open source product for the automation of enterprise processes includes framework components and business applications" A bit ugly. Jacopo
Re: What is the "Apache OFBiz" product?
Hi Jacopo, I'm not sure that ofbiz is an ERP. I mean I'm not sure that ofbiz is a turnkey solution. You can't just install the software and say "Let use it, it's ready!". We get our hands dirty before the final customer can use it serenely. This is why I prefer the actual sentence "Apache OFBiz® is an open source product for the automation of enterprise processes that includes framework components and business applications" I understand that is too long, this is why I suggest : The "Apache OFBiz" framework The "Apache OFBiz" web based application framework Julien. On 11/01/2017 14:51, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: Any ideas? Please try to fill the placeholder below with the string that you find more suited: The "Apache OFBiz"
Re: What is the "Apache OFBiz" product?
The Apache OFBiz "Business Suite"? Similar software solutions use this terminology. eg ADempiere Business Suite, OpenBravo Business Suite. Gavin On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Jacopo Cappellato < jacopo.cappell...@hotwaxsystems.com> wrote: > *Rationale* > > "Apache OFBiz" is one of our trademarks. And we apply it to our project and > product; we say: > 1) the "Apache OFBiz" project or the "Apache OFBiz" community > 2) the "Apache OFBiz" product (i.e. the downloadable software package that > we release) > > While #1 is pretty much a satisfactory definition, I find that "product" is > a too generic term and that we could find and agree upon a more precise and > "official" definition. > It is worth noting that the trademark best practices says that you should > never use the trademark on a product as a noun but rather as an adjective. > So for example: > - this is *not* correct (noun): "download Apache OFBiz from here" > - this *is* correct (adjective): "download the Apache OFBiz product from > here" > > *Discussion Item* > > Can we find a better definition for our product than... "product" or > "software product"? > > For example we could consider (after reading this definition [*]): > The "Apache OFBiz" software suite or > The "Apache OFBiz" suite or > The "Apache OFBiz" ERP software suite or > The "Apache OFBiz" ERP suite > etc... > > Any ideas? Please try to fill the placeholder below with the string > that you find more suited: > > The "Apache OFBiz" > > If we agree upon an "official" definition then we could use it consistently > in our website, announcements, social media etc... > > Regards, > > Jacopo > > [*] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_suite >