Re: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-19 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hello; I don't know (or care) what donaldupre meant by that "holacracy" thing but the ASF does have clear governance structures. Concerning a Release Manager I found this: http://www.apache.org/dev/release-publishing.html#release_manager "The common practice at Apache is for a single

Re: Debug on Windows

2016-03-19 Thread Patricia Shanahan
On 3/16/2016 12:07 PM, Damjan Jovanovic wrote: On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: On 3/16/2016 11:24 AM, Damjan Jovanovic wrote: On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 8:18 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: On 3/14/2016 10:49 AM, Oliver Brinzing wrote:

Re: Debug on Windows

2016-03-19 Thread Damjan Jovanovic
On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 8:18 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: > On 3/14/2016 10:49 AM, Oliver Brinzing wrote: > >> Hi Patricia, >> >> Has anyone nailed getting e.g. windbg running with AOO on Windows? If so, >>> I have some questions. >>> >> >> better try with vs 2013 community edition

Re: New Committer: Don Lewis (truckman)

2016-03-19 Thread Don Lewis
On 13 Dec, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > [BCC AOO PMC] > > The Project Management Committee (PMC) for Apache OpenOffice is pleased to > announced that Don Lewis has accepted and taken the ID truckman. > > A warm welcome to Don Lewis. > > Regards, > > Dennis Hamilton, on behalf of the Apache

Re: Debug on Windows

2016-03-19 Thread Patricia Shanahan
On 3/16/2016 11:24 AM, Damjan Jovanovic wrote: On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 8:18 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: On 3/14/2016 10:49 AM, Oliver Brinzing wrote: Hi Patricia, Has anyone nailed getting e.g. windbg running with AOO on Windows? If so, I have some questions. better

RE: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-19 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
It seems we're having a nomenclature problem here. At the ASF "Release Manager" and "Release Management" are narrow, specific terms. AOO release management does not involve any abstraction that includes supervision of work and especially not supervision of workers. This may be more helpful

Re: Coding standards?

2016-03-19 Thread Marcus
Am 03/18/2016 09:37 AM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan: Consider the case of an if-statement with a single statement in the "true" branch only. For example: if( someCondition ) return; Should it be formatted on one line, as above, or on two lines: if( someCondition ) return; or on four lines:

Coding standards?

2016-03-19 Thread Patricia Shanahan
Consider the case of an if-statement with a single statement in the "true" branch only. For example: if( someCondition ) return; Should it be formatted on one line, as above, or on two lines: if( someCondition ) return; or on four lines: if( someCondition ) { return; } I dislike

Re: Debug on Windows

2016-03-19 Thread Patricia Shanahan
On 3/14/2016 10:49 AM, Oliver Brinzing wrote: Hi Patricia, Has anyone nailed getting e.g. windbg running with AOO on Windows? If so, I have some questions. better try with vs 2013 community edition  I remember I had a lot of trouble with windbg. Thanks for the tip - it does work better

Re: Next release and gbuild

2016-03-19 Thread Don Lewis
On 17 Mar, Damjan Jovanovic wrote: > On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 8:46 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: >> Hello; >> >> I have been noticing damjan's great advance in merging the gbuild stuff. >> >> IMO, this is a great thing that will likely be unnoticed by our users >> as it has no real

Re: Debug on Windows

2016-03-19 Thread Patricia Shanahan
On 3/16/2016 4:37 PM, Damjan Jovanovic wrote: On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: On 3/16/2016 12:07 PM, Damjan Jovanovic wrote: On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: On 3/16/2016 11:24 AM, Damjan Jovanovic

Re: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-19 Thread Patricia Shanahan
I am really, really curious. How would you recommend the hypothetical AOO management hierarchy go about compelling me to do anything? On 3/17/2016 10:41 AM, donaldupre . wrote: Not only it is possible to compel, it is imperative for a viable project. As Stalin once said, "When there's a

Re: [OT] ApacheCon

2016-03-19 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hi Patricia; I understand OpenOffice.org started it's life in Germany, and for some posibly related reason AOO usually has more presence at ApacheConEU than in the NA event. Cheers, Pedro. - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-19 Thread Marcus
Am 03/17/2016 09:00 PM, schrieb Pedro Giffuni: Hello; I don't know (or care) what donaldupre meant by that "holacracy" thing but the ASF does have clear governance structures. Concerning a Release Manager I found this: http://www.apache.org/dev/release-publishing.html#release_manager "The

Re: Debug on Windows

2016-03-19 Thread Damjan Jovanovic
On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 1:43 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: > > > On 3/16/2016 4:37 PM, Damjan Jovanovic wrote: > >> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: >> >> >>> >>> On 3/16/2016 12:07 PM, Damjan Jovanovic wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at

Re: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-19 Thread donaldupre .
In the same way management in your professional experience handled disagreement, disrespect, waste, inefficiency etc. that sometimes happen when people work together. You did offer to learn to be a release manager, it means that some sort of "management" is needed? How someone here suggested

Re: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-19 Thread Patricia Shanahan
I have offered, on the PMC mailing list, to learn to be a release manager if necessary or desirable. The more people we have who can do a role, the better the chances of someone being available when needed. However, I would have to function as keeper-of-the-checklist, and depend on everyone

Re: Next release and gbuild

2016-03-19 Thread donaldupre .
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 8:46 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: > Either someone steps in or we just have a team of people do things. > Holacracy is not a good idea.

AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-19 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Technically, we do not have a management hierarchy on Apache projects, although there are some rather limited governance roles. There can be self-organizing *informal* teams that are basically people working together for some common within-project purpose and those are fluid and definitely

[OT] ApacheCon

2016-03-19 Thread Patricia Shanahan
Are any of you planning to attend the North America ApacheCon? I have not yet decided whether to go. Patricia - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail:

Orientation Level Completed

2016-03-19 Thread Candaises Williams
Good Morning, My names is Candaises Williams, and I am emailing you to inform you that I have completed the Orientation Level of ASF. -- *Warmest Regards,* *Ms. Candaises C. Williams* *“There are two ways of spreading light: * *To be the candle or the mirror that reflects it.” ― **Edith

[CWiki] Account Whitelisting

2016-03-19 Thread Candaises Williams
Username: Candaises C. Williams Real Name: Candaises C. WIlliams -- *Warmest Regards,* *Ms. Candaises C. Williams* *“There are two ways of spreading light: * *To be the candle or the mirror that reflects it.” ― **Edith Wharton* *“An

Infrastructure Level Completed

2016-03-19 Thread Candaises Williams
FYI, I have just completed the above level. -- *Warmest Regards,* *Ms. Candaises C. Williams* *“There are two ways of spreading light: * *To be the candle or the mirror that reflects it.” ― **Edith Wharton* *“An attitude of positive

Re: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-19 Thread Marcus
Am 03/18/2016 03:18 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan: When I was working I gave up some of my freedom to do what I wanted in exchange for being paid to do what other people told me. I retired when I had accumulated enough investments that the financial improvement from the money Sun was paying me

RE: [OT] ApacheCon

2016-03-19 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I thought about it, since the travel part is easy. I decided to avoid the expense of the conference and accomodations and stay home though. - Dennis > -Original Message- > From: Patricia Shanahan [mailto:p...@acm.org] > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 17:24 > To:

Re: AOO Governance (was RE: Next release and gbuild)

2016-03-19 Thread Patricia Shanahan
When I was working I gave up some of my freedom to do what I wanted in exchange for being paid to do what other people told me. I retired when I had accumulated enough investments that the financial improvement from the money Sun was paying me no longer outweighed the benefit of being able to

Re: Next release and gbuild

2016-03-19 Thread Damjan Jovanovic
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 8:46 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: > Hello; > > I have been noticing damjan's great advance in merging the gbuild stuff. > > IMO, this is a great thing that will likely be unnoticed by our users > as it has no real effect on the binaries but it is significant