Re: [DISCUSS] Contributing Existing Works [Was: Re: Can somebody please commit the update of the de-websites]
-Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 8:01 PM To: dev@openoffice.apache.org Subject: [DISCUSS] Contributing Existing Works [Was: Re: Can somebody please commit the update of the de-websites] On Jun 21, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Peter Junge wrote: On 6/21/2013 9:59 PM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: Hello, From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] What is the problem? The CD is not from the Apache OpenOffice project. It was not reviewed and approved for release by the project. It is a 3rd party product. The website says it is from Verein Freies Office Deutschland e.V..: No, this is absolutely *not* true! The Verein Freies Office Deutschland e.V.. is NOT the creator of the PrOOo-box, but that's us (Detlef, Jan and I) three members of the AOO-Community in Germany. You can see my entry here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Directory +of+Volunteers and I can gladly Jan and Detlef ask to register there. The Verein Freies Office Deutschland e.V. is the *only* one who pays us the hosting of the Box (850 euros per year). *We would be pleased if the Apache paid. Apache wants to do that?* As far as I understand the Apache way: Apache products must be hosted by Apache infrastructure(*), but as the PrOOo-Box certainly contains also non-Apache products it cannot be hosted at Apache. Seems a Catch-22 to me. Does someone has any good idea how to fix this? It would certainly be a good thing to continue the PrOOo-Box within the AOO community. (*) Apache strictly requires to avoid community fragmentation like it had happened with OOo. I would like to continue this discussion with a different approach. Let's discuss the process for PrOOo-Box to become part of the Apache OpenOffice product. There are several steps and it is worth exploring. Of course I must preface this with I am not a lawyer. The following would need to be considered: (1) License / IP Clearance. A review of the non-Apache products included in PrOOo-Box is necessary. If these are compatible then it is possible to include them in a release. If not then they are other considerations which would depend on packaging and all kinds of legal and technical challenges. (2) Copyright. If the three of you own the unique aspects then you may need to re-license these to AL2.0 - the Apache LIcense. (3) Individual Contributor License Agreements (ICLA) help. If there is a large amount of unique IP then a Software Grant may be requested. (4) The AOO PMC would have to accept the donation through a VOTE or LAZY CONSENSUS. We can all learn something from the PrOOo-box team. We may like to discuss the necessary steps, but please understand that we (the PrOOo-Box-team) also need to advise us only if we want to do. When Rob, for example, of creative control speaks, which is also a point to be noted, too. Even if we say yes, it will take long until we can start, I think not before 2014. Please see the situation: PrOOo the box it was in OOo, many years. e.g. here is a picture of PrOOo-Box from 2004: http://www.openoffice.org/de/veranstaltungen/systems2004/uebergabe.jpg (Yes, the PrOOo box was once a real box with brochure and CD/DVD. We hope that this will be it in the future, but currently there is only an ISO and some of us have some private DVD-R burned.) But then most people involved have switched to LO and the PrOOo box would not update for 2 years. Since 1.5 years we have been back (with a new team) to work on it, but there is a lot of work, as many things are to be updated. Similarly, there was again a lot of work to revitalize the technical infrastructure and this process is not yet completed. Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[DISCUSS] Contributing Existing Works [Was: Re: Can somebody please commit the update of the de-websites]
On Jun 21, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Peter Junge wrote: On 6/21/2013 9:59 PM, Jörg Schmidt wrote: Hello, From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] What is the problem? The CD is not from the Apache OpenOffice project. It was not reviewed and approved for release by the project. It is a 3rd party product. The website says it is from Verein Freies Office Deutschland e.V..: No, this is absolutely *not* true! The Verein Freies Office Deutschland e.V.. is NOT the creator of the PrOOo-box, but that's us (Detlef, Jan and I) three members of the AOO-Community in Germany. You can see my entry here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Directory+of+Volunteers and I can gladly Jan and Detlef ask to register there. The Verein Freies Office Deutschland e.V. is the *only* one who pays us the hosting of the Box (850 euros per year). *We would be pleased if the Apache paid. Apache wants to do that?* As far as I understand the Apache way: Apache products must be hosted by Apache infrastructure(*), but as the PrOOo-Box certainly contains also non-Apache products it cannot be hosted at Apache. Seems a Catch-22 to me. Does someone has any good idea how to fix this? It would certainly be a good thing to continue the PrOOo-Box within the AOO community. (*) Apache strictly requires to avoid community fragmentation like it had happened with OOo. I would like to continue this discussion with a different approach. Let's discuss the process for PrOOo-Box to become part of the Apache OpenOffice product. There are several steps and it is worth exploring. Of course I must preface this with I am not a lawyer. The following would need to be considered: (1) License / IP Clearance. A review of the non-Apache products included in PrOOo-Box is necessary. If these are compatible then it is possible to include them in a release. If not then they are other considerations which would depend on packaging and all kinds of legal and technical challenges. (2) Copyright. If the three of you own the unique aspects then you may need to re-license these to AL2.0 - the Apache LIcense. (3) Individual Contributor License Agreements (ICLA) help. If there is a large amount of unique IP then a Software Grant may be requested. (4) The AOO PMC would have to accept the donation through a VOTE or LAZY CONSENSUS. We can all learn something from the PrOOo-box team. Regards, Dave Best regards Peter But these are still 3rd party distributions. No, this is the Box of german Members of the AOO-Community! But that is not the problem, because the question is a Others, namely how we can make local work on AOO when we can not even provide information users need? A notice in a news-teaser is anyway only a temporary entry. What is the problem? Rob, you have, tell me here on the list, the following: * it's okay to get involved locally for AOO and Apache welcomes such activities * I should self make a choice However, I live in Germany, and here I know the OpenOffice users for more than 8 years, and I know what users need for assistance. And we all have to do something otherwise AOO lost in Germany. Sorry, but that *is* the truth. So we are fair and we don't give special prominence to any single 3rd party distribution. But that is *not* what is needed. There shall be *no* permanent link, but only a *temporary* news-teaser. This teaser is automatically replaced by someone else, as soon as there are new news. What is the problem? Greetings, Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
