Re: Changes proposal for the future AOO 5.0.0
Hi Arrigo, Am 25.04.23 um 12:26 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori: > Hello All, > > replying mid-thread. > > On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 04:41:37PM +0200, Corentin Verbrèghe wrote: > >> Hello, >> I think that making my proposal an extension of AOO is a bad idea, I rather >> thought that it should be part of the software because the problem of an >> extension is that it does not install automatically. Moreover, this could >> improve the gallery to make it much more interesting and complete, with an >> almost infinite choice of images, illustrations, icons and even audio files >> available for everyone. The fact that it is not an extension will make AOO >> more interesting and useful compared to before and other software such as >> LibreOffice. > Let's not forget that extensions could be embedded within the official > installer. > > Choosing between an extension and "something else" (a module?) is IMHO > a choice about how to _develop_ this. > > By keeping a separate code base from the AOO main trunk, we could have > more focused development. > > By using an extension, we would have the possibility to update that > ``part of AOO'' without recompiling the full AOO distribution, during > the development. > > I also expect that developing an extension will be easier than > learning how the AOO code is organized, what classes do what etc. And > maybe we may not even need C++, but rather Basic, Python or other more > accessible programming languages. I second this! The idea is not new, but unfortunately these extensions are not maintained atm: https://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/openclipart-gallery https://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/wikimedia-commons-gallery Regards, Matthias > > I hope this makes sense, and I encourage anyone interested to start > reading this: > https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions_development > > Best regards, smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Changes proposal for the future AOO 5.0.0
Hello All, replying mid-thread. On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 04:41:37PM +0200, Corentin Verbrèghe wrote: > Hello, > I think that making my proposal an extension of AOO is a bad idea, I rather > thought that it should be part of the software because the problem of an > extension is that it does not install automatically. Moreover, this could > improve the gallery to make it much more interesting and complete, with an > almost infinite choice of images, illustrations, icons and even audio files > available for everyone. The fact that it is not an extension will make AOO > more interesting and useful compared to before and other software such as > LibreOffice. Let's not forget that extensions could be embedded within the official installer. Choosing between an extension and "something else" (a module?) is IMHO a choice about how to _develop_ this. By keeping a separate code base from the AOO main trunk, we could have more focused development. By using an extension, we would have the possibility to update that ``part of AOO'' without recompiling the full AOO distribution, during the development. I also expect that developing an extension will be easier than learning how the AOO code is organized, what classes do what etc. And maybe we may not even need C++, but rather Basic, Python or other more accessible programming languages. I hope this makes sense, and I encourage anyone interested to start reading this: https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Extensions_development Best regards, -- Arrigo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Changes proposal for the future AOO 5.0.0
On 24/04/2023 00:42, Keith N. McKenna wrote: Corentin Verbrèghe wrote: on the version with Commons in the Gallery, to In my opinion your idea is better off as an extension that people can use if they have the need. +1 to that, because: It's not only Wikimedia Commons that has images usable as an alternative Gallery. There's openclipart.org, too. I'm believe there are others. And all those would have their differing interfaces, changing independently, too. And I believe in most cases there'll be no standard API at all. So is there anything in AOO that works as a web browser screen scraper? -Yury - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Changes proposal for the future AOO 5.0.0
Hello, it's bot false. What I'm not a big fan of is that an extension is complicated to install and it's not part of the software. I propose to add, on the AOO installation wizard, a button "Activate Wikimedia Commons to Apache OpenOffice". Regards Manjiro Le dim. 23 avr. 2023 à 23:42, Keith N. McKenna a écrit : > Corentin Verbrèghe wrote: > > Hello, > > It would potentially be possible to offer two versions of AOO, the > > Lite/Offline and a basic version with "Commons to AOO". And we may be > able, > > on the version with Commons in the Gallery, to put a message "Uh! You are > > not connected to Internet, please connect you to access to Commons to > AOO" > > when the user dont have any connection. > > What do you think? > > > > Regards, > > Manjiro > > > > I do not see making two versions as a viable alternative. It would be > double the work for those that build the releases, as well as double the > the work for QA, as both versions have to be checked separately. > > In my opinion your idea is better off as an extension that people can > use if they have the need. > > Regards > Keith > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >
Re: Changes proposal for the future AOO 5.0.0
Corentin Verbrèghe wrote: Hello, It would potentially be possible to offer two versions of AOO, the Lite/Offline and a basic version with "Commons to AOO". And we may be able, on the version with Commons in the Gallery, to put a message "Uh! You are not connected to Internet, please connect you to access to Commons to AOO" when the user dont have any connection. What do you think? Regards, Manjiro I do not see making two versions as a viable alternative. It would be double the work for those that build the releases, as well as double the the work for QA, as both versions have to be checked separately. In my opinion your idea is better off as an extension that people can use if they have the need. Regards Keith - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Changes proposal for the future AOO 5.0.0
Hello, It would potentially be possible to offer two versions of AOO, the Lite/Offline and a basic version with "Commons to AOO". And we may be able, on the version with Commons in the Gallery, to put a message "Uh! You are not connected to Internet, please connect you to access to Commons to AOO" when the user dont have any connection. What do you think? Regards, Manjiro Le dim. 23 avr. 2023 à 10:38, Peter Kovacs a écrit : > > Am 22.04.23 um 16:41 schrieb Corentin Verbrèghe: > > Hello, > > I think that making my proposal an extension of AOO is a bad idea, I > rather > > thought that it should be part of the software because the problem of an > > extension is that it does not install automatically. > > This is a question of distribution. Languages are an extension too. We > offer preinstalled versions. > > So why remove this ability from your suggestion? > > How do we handle installations that are disconnected or have a slow > connection? > > And How can we Change Extensions that they are more accessible to users? > > > Moreover, this could > > improve the gallery to make it much more interesting and complete, with > an > > almost infinite choice of images, illustrations, icons and even audio > files > > available for everyone. The fact that it is not an extension will make > AOO > > more interesting and useful compared to before and other software such as > > LibreOffice. > I agree the feature will improve the gallery. > > Regards > > Manjiro5 > > > > Le sam. 22 avr. 2023 à 12:52, Matthias Seidel < > matthias.sei...@hamburg.de> > > a écrit : > > > >> Hi Peter, Xavier, > >> > >> Am 22.04.23 um 09:03 schrieb Peter Kovacs: > >>> Hi Xavier, > >>> > >>> I like the idea! But I would like this to be an extension. > >> Yes, an extension would be the better way. > >> > >> It could be released independent from any AOO version. Honestly, we are > >> struggling for years to get 4.2.0 out. :-( > >> > >>> And we need to think about how we enable users to use extensions and > >>> fix some bugs around the issue. > >> There are issues for AOO41X on macOS, I think. Personally I cannot even > >> install a new dictionary... > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Matthias > >> > >>> > >>> all the best > >>> > >>> peter > >>> > >>> Am 21.04.23 um 10:24 schrieb Xavier Verbrèghe: > Hello, I wanted to share with you my idea that I just had for the next > major version of AOO (which will also have new icons ;-) ). I propose > to > modify the OpenOffice Gallery in order to add a tab titled "Import > from > Wikimedia Commons", this would make it possible to use images from > Wikimedia Commons while still being on AOO, so there will be no need > to > download the image for it to be imported into the document. This could > improve the interest of AOO compared to other office suites such as > LO. > What do you think ? I'm aware that it's not going to be super simple > but if > you're ok, I'll try to contact Wikimedia Commons developers. And for > the > problem of copyvios, it would be possible to add a banner where it is > written to have to put the name of the author, the license (CC or > other), > and the source and where it is proposed to copy the sitography. > > Regards. > Manjiro5 > > >>> - > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >>> > >> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >
Re: Changes proposal for the future AOO 5.0.0
Am 22.04.23 um 16:41 schrieb Corentin Verbrèghe: Hello, I think that making my proposal an extension of AOO is a bad idea, I rather thought that it should be part of the software because the problem of an extension is that it does not install automatically. This is a question of distribution. Languages are an extension too. We offer preinstalled versions. So why remove this ability from your suggestion? How do we handle installations that are disconnected or have a slow connection? And How can we Change Extensions that they are more accessible to users? Moreover, this could improve the gallery to make it much more interesting and complete, with an almost infinite choice of images, illustrations, icons and even audio files available for everyone. The fact that it is not an extension will make AOO more interesting and useful compared to before and other software such as LibreOffice. I agree the feature will improve the gallery. Regards Manjiro5 Le sam. 22 avr. 2023 à 12:52, Matthias Seidel a écrit : Hi Peter, Xavier, Am 22.04.23 um 09:03 schrieb Peter Kovacs: Hi Xavier, I like the idea! But I would like this to be an extension. Yes, an extension would be the better way. It could be released independent from any AOO version. Honestly, we are struggling for years to get 4.2.0 out. :-( And we need to think about how we enable users to use extensions and fix some bugs around the issue. There are issues for AOO41X on macOS, I think. Personally I cannot even install a new dictionary... Regards, Matthias all the best peter Am 21.04.23 um 10:24 schrieb Xavier Verbrèghe: Hello, I wanted to share with you my idea that I just had for the next major version of AOO (which will also have new icons ;-) ). I propose to modify the OpenOffice Gallery in order to add a tab titled "Import from Wikimedia Commons", this would make it possible to use images from Wikimedia Commons while still being on AOO, so there will be no need to download the image for it to be imported into the document. This could improve the interest of AOO compared to other office suites such as LO. What do you think ? I'm aware that it's not going to be super simple but if you're ok, I'll try to contact Wikimedia Commons developers. And for the problem of copyvios, it would be possible to add a banner where it is written to have to put the name of the author, the license (CC or other), and the source and where it is proposed to copy the sitography. Regards. Manjiro5 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Changes proposal for the future AOO 5.0.0
Hello, I think that making my proposal an extension of AOO is a bad idea, I rather thought that it should be part of the software because the problem of an extension is that it does not install automatically. Moreover, this could improve the gallery to make it much more interesting and complete, with an almost infinite choice of images, illustrations, icons and even audio files available for everyone. The fact that it is not an extension will make AOO more interesting and useful compared to before and other software such as LibreOffice. Regards Manjiro5 Le sam. 22 avr. 2023 à 12:52, Matthias Seidel a écrit : > Hi Peter, Xavier, > > Am 22.04.23 um 09:03 schrieb Peter Kovacs: > > Hi Xavier, > > > > I like the idea! But I would like this to be an extension. > > Yes, an extension would be the better way. > > It could be released independent from any AOO version. Honestly, we are > struggling for years to get 4.2.0 out. :-( > > > > > And we need to think about how we enable users to use extensions and > > fix some bugs around the issue. > > There are issues for AOO41X on macOS, I think. Personally I cannot even > install a new dictionary... > > Regards, > >Matthias > > > > > > > all the best > > > > peter > > > > Am 21.04.23 um 10:24 schrieb Xavier Verbrèghe: > >> Hello, I wanted to share with you my idea that I just had for the next > >> major version of AOO (which will also have new icons ;-) ). I propose to > >> modify the OpenOffice Gallery in order to add a tab titled "Import from > >> Wikimedia Commons", this would make it possible to use images from > >> Wikimedia Commons while still being on AOO, so there will be no need to > >> download the image for it to be imported into the document. This could > >> improve the interest of AOO compared to other office suites such as LO. > >> What do you think ? I'm aware that it's not going to be super simple > >> but if > >> you're ok, I'll try to contact Wikimedia Commons developers. And for the > >> problem of copyvios, it would be possible to add a banner where it is > >> written to have to put the name of the author, the license (CC or > >> other), > >> and the source and where it is proposed to copy the sitography. > >> > >> Regards. > >> Manjiro5 > >> > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > >
Re: Changes proposal for the future AOO 5.0.0
Hi Peter, Xavier, Am 22.04.23 um 09:03 schrieb Peter Kovacs: > Hi Xavier, > > I like the idea! But I would like this to be an extension. Yes, an extension would be the better way. It could be released independent from any AOO version. Honestly, we are struggling for years to get 4.2.0 out. :-( > > And we need to think about how we enable users to use extensions and > fix some bugs around the issue. There are issues for AOO41X on macOS, I think. Personally I cannot even install a new dictionary... Regards, Matthias > > > all the best > > peter > > Am 21.04.23 um 10:24 schrieb Xavier Verbrèghe: >> Hello, I wanted to share with you my idea that I just had for the next >> major version of AOO (which will also have new icons ;-) ). I propose to >> modify the OpenOffice Gallery in order to add a tab titled "Import from >> Wikimedia Commons", this would make it possible to use images from >> Wikimedia Commons while still being on AOO, so there will be no need to >> download the image for it to be imported into the document. This could >> improve the interest of AOO compared to other office suites such as LO. >> What do you think ? I'm aware that it's not going to be super simple >> but if >> you're ok, I'll try to contact Wikimedia Commons developers. And for the >> problem of copyvios, it would be possible to add a banner where it is >> written to have to put the name of the author, the license (CC or >> other), >> and the source and where it is proposed to copy the sitography. >> >> Regards. >> Manjiro5 >> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Changes proposal for the future AOO 5.0.0
Hi Xavier, I like the idea! But I would like this to be an extension. And we need to think about how we enable users to use extensions and fix some bugs around the issue. all the best peter Am 21.04.23 um 10:24 schrieb Xavier Verbrèghe: Hello, I wanted to share with you my idea that I just had for the next major version of AOO (which will also have new icons ;-) ). I propose to modify the OpenOffice Gallery in order to add a tab titled "Import from Wikimedia Commons", this would make it possible to use images from Wikimedia Commons while still being on AOO, so there will be no need to download the image for it to be imported into the document. This could improve the interest of AOO compared to other office suites such as LO. What do you think ? I'm aware that it's not going to be super simple but if you're ok, I'll try to contact Wikimedia Commons developers. And for the problem of copyvios, it would be possible to add a banner where it is written to have to put the name of the author, the license (CC or other), and the source and where it is proposed to copy the sitography. Regards. Manjiro5 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Changes proposal for the future AOO 5.0.0
Hello, I wanted to share with you my idea that I just had for the next major version of AOO (which will also have new icons ;-) ). I propose to modify the OpenOffice Gallery in order to add a tab titled "Import from Wikimedia Commons", this would make it possible to use images from Wikimedia Commons while still being on AOO, so there will be no need to download the image for it to be imported into the document. This could improve the interest of AOO compared to other office suites such as LO. What do you think ? I'm aware that it's not going to be super simple but if you're ok, I'll try to contact Wikimedia Commons developers. And for the problem of copyvios, it would be possible to add a banner where it is written to have to put the name of the author, the license (CC or other), and the source and where it is proposed to copy the sitography. Regards. Manjiro5
