Re: Sourceforge project activity feedback

2021-05-04 Thread Matthias Seidel
Hi Pedro,

Am 04.05.21 um 16:51 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi all
>
> The Sourceforge activity is now up-to-date with version 4.1.10 ;)
> Small victories on May the Fourth!

Yes!

And thank you for using the 4th...

Matthias

>
> All the best,
> Pedro
>
>
>> On 03/30/2021 5:19 PM Marcus  wrote:
>>
>>  
>> Am 30.03.21 um 15:33 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>> Am 30.03.21 um 11:29 schrieb Pedro Lino:
 Following up on the issue I raised about the Project Activity at
 https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/
 (that shows version 4.1.4 from 3 years ago)

 the answer from the Sourceforge staff was

> On 03/24/2021 4:15 PM SourceForge.net Support & Ops 
>  wrote:
> Your activity feed has been fixed for any releases you make going 
> forward, but unfortunately, we're not able to backfill the previous 
> releases.
>>> Thanks for the heads up!
>> yes, thanks
>>
 This is not what I expected but hopefully it will be fixed with the next 
 release.
>>> I am OK with that, given that we are already planning on the next version.
>> If this will still not work like we would expect it, I suggest to delete 
>> it completely as IMHO the value add for the user is really low.
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
> On 03/02/2021 11:33 PM Matthias Seidel  wrote:
>
> Am 03.03.21 um 00:24 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>>> On 03/02/2021 11:05 PM Matthias Seidel  
>>> wrote:
>>> Am 14.02.21 um 17:35 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> On 02/14/2021 3:36 PM Marcus  wrote:
>> One question: does someone have the permissions to update the 
>> Sourceforge page?
> I don't know how to edit this. I don't find any hint for it - even as
> admin. Must be a thing of SF.net.
 Can we ask them? I volunteer to do that on behalf of AOO if you don't 
 have the time.
>>> Do you have a SourceForge account?
>> I have an old one but not associated to OpenOffice
> No problem, I only thought about giving you administrative rights.
>> In any case I wrote to support and they answered that they are 
>> investigating the issue. It has been a week since they answered. I will 
>> give them a few more days before asking for progress.
> Thanks, I did not find any possibility to change it.
>
> It seems to be a generated RSS feed that stopped working years ago...
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Re: Sourceforge project activity feedback

2021-05-04 Thread Pedro Lino
Hi all

The Sourceforge activity is now up-to-date with version 4.1.10 ;)
Small victories on May the Fourth!

All the best,
Pedro


> On 03/30/2021 5:19 PM Marcus  wrote:
> 
>  
> Am 30.03.21 um 15:33 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> > Am 30.03.21 um 11:29 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> >>
> >> Following up on the issue I raised about the Project Activity at
> >> https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/
> >> (that shows version 4.1.4 from 3 years ago)
> >>
> >> the answer from the Sourceforge staff was
> >>
> >>> On 03/24/2021 4:15 PM SourceForge.net Support & Ops 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> Your activity feed has been fixed for any releases you make going 
> >>> forward, but unfortunately, we're not able to backfill the previous 
> >>> releases.
> > Thanks for the heads up!
> 
> yes, thanks
> 
> >> This is not what I expected but hopefully it will be fixed with the next 
> >> release.
> > 
> > I am OK with that, given that we are already planning on the next version.
> 
> If this will still not work like we would expect it, I suggest to delete 
> it completely as IMHO the value add for the user is really low.
> 
> Marcus
> 
> 
> 
> >>> On 03/02/2021 11:33 PM Matthias Seidel  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Am 03.03.21 um 00:24 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> 
> > On 03/02/2021 11:05 PM Matthias Seidel  
> > wrote:
> > Am 14.02.21 um 17:35 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> >>
> >>> On 02/14/2021 3:36 PM Marcus  wrote:
>  One question: does someone have the permissions to update the 
>  Sourceforge page?
> >>> I don't know how to edit this. I don't find any hint for it - even as
> >>> admin. Must be a thing of SF.net.
> >> Can we ask them? I volunteer to do that on behalf of AOO if you don't 
> >> have the time.
> > Do you have a SourceForge account?
>  I have an old one but not associated to OpenOffice
> >>> No problem, I only thought about giving you administrative rights.
>  In any case I wrote to support and they answered that they are 
>  investigating the issue. It has been a week since they answered. I will 
>  give them a few more days before asking for progress.
> >>> Thanks, I did not find any possibility to change it.
> >>>
> >>> It seems to be a generated RSS feed that stopped working years ago...
> 
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Re: Sourceforge project activity feedback

2021-03-30 Thread Marcus

Am 30.03.21 um 15:33 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 30.03.21 um 11:29 schrieb Pedro Lino:


Following up on the issue I raised about the Project Activity at
https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/
(that shows version 4.1.4 from 3 years ago)

the answer from the Sourceforge staff was


On 03/24/2021 4:15 PM SourceForge.net Support & Ops 
 wrote:
Your activity feed has been fixed for any releases you make going forward, but 
unfortunately, we're not able to backfill the previous releases.

Thanks for the heads up!


yes, thanks


This is not what I expected but hopefully it will be fixed with the next 
release.


I am OK with that, given that we are already planning on the next version.


If this will still not work like we would expect it, I suggest to delete 
it completely as IMHO the value add for the user is really low.


Marcus




On 03/02/2021 11:33 PM Matthias Seidel  wrote:

Am 03.03.21 um 00:24 schrieb Pedro Lino:



On 03/02/2021 11:05 PM Matthias Seidel  wrote:
Am 14.02.21 um 17:35 schrieb Pedro Lino:



On 02/14/2021 3:36 PM Marcus  wrote:

One question: does someone have the permissions to update the Sourceforge page?

I don't know how to edit this. I don't find any hint for it - even as
admin. Must be a thing of SF.net.

Can we ask them? I volunteer to do that on behalf of AOO if you don't have the 
time.

Do you have a SourceForge account?

I have an old one but not associated to OpenOffice

No problem, I only thought about giving you administrative rights.

In any case I wrote to support and they answered that they are investigating 
the issue. It has been a week since they answered. I will give them a few more 
days before asking for progress.

Thanks, I did not find any possibility to change it.

It seems to be a generated RSS feed that stopped working years ago...



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Re: Sourceforge project activity feedback

2021-03-30 Thread Matthias Seidel
Hi Pedro,

Am 30.03.21 um 11:29 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi all
>
> Following up on the issue I raised about the Project Activity at
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/
> (that shows version 4.1.4 from 3 years ago)
>
> the answer from the Sourceforge staff was 
>
>> On 03/24/2021 4:15 PM SourceForge.net Support & Ops 
>>  wrote:
>> Your activity feed has been fixed for any releases you make going forward, 
>> but unfortunately, we're not able to backfill the previous releases.
Thanks for the heads up!
> This is not what I expected but hopefully it will be fixed with the next 
> release.

I am OK with that, given that we are already planning on the next version.

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> All the best,
> Pedro
>
>> On 03/02/2021 11:33 PM Matthias Seidel  wrote:
>>
>>  
>> Hi Pedro,
>>
>> Am 03.03.21 um 00:24 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>>> Hi Matthias
>>>
 On 03/02/2021 11:05 PM Matthias Seidel  wrote:
 Am 14.02.21 um 17:35 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Marcus
>
>> On 02/14/2021 3:36 PM Marcus  wrote:
>>> One question: does someone have the permissions to update the 
>>> Sourceforge page?
>> I don't know how to edit this. I don't find any hint for it - even as 
>> admin. Must be a thing of SF.net.
> Can we ask them? I volunteer to do that on behalf of AOO if you don't 
> have the time.
 Do you have a SourceForge account?
>>> I have an old one but not associated to OpenOffice
>> No problem, I only thought about giving you administrative rights.
>>> In any case I wrote to support and they answered that they are 
>>> investigating the issue. It has been a week since they answered. I will 
>>> give them a few more days before asking for progress.
>> Thanks, I did not find any possibility to change it.
>>
>> It seems to be a generated RSS feed that stopped working years ago...
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>    Matthias
>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Pedro
>>>
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Re: SourceForge (new look)

2018-01-17 Thread Matthias Seidel
Hi Dave,

Am 16.01.2018 um 17:39 schrieb Dave Brondsema:
> On 1/13/18 10:21 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Am 11.01.2018 um 20:11 schrieb Dave Brondsema:
>>> On 1/10/18 6:30 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
 Since yesterday (?) SourceForge has a complete new look:
 https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/

 While I have to get used to the colors, it feels like the AOO downloads
 are much more responsive now.

>>> Glad you like it.  You can get a lot more granularity (e.g. daily or 
>>> weekly) now
>>> too.  It used to force you to weekly or monthly stats when you do broad 
>>> dates.
>>> And the countries map doesn't use Flash to show those stats any more either 
>>> :)
>> Yes, I like the new download graphics, but I thought more of the
>> download process.
>> Before it gave me a lot of time outs and "re-captcha not found". This is
>> gone now... ;-)
>>
>> Any chance to get your new logo for our website?
>>
>> Regards, Matthias
>>
>
> Sure, you can use these, either directly or save and host on your site:
>
> SVG, can be any size (recommended):
> https://sourceforge.net/;> src="https://sourceforge.net/sflogo.php?type=17_id=639433; 
> width=200>
>
> Dark 150x40
> https://sourceforge.net/;> src="https://sourceforge.net/sflogo.php?type=14_id=639433; >
>
> Light 150x40
> https://sourceforge.net/;> src="https://sourceforge.net/sflogo.php?type=16_id=639433; >

Done!

It is now on our download page:
https://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html

Found a nice article about SourceForge:
http://www.itprotoday.com/software-development/github-alternative-sourceforge-vies-comeback-redesigned-site

Regards, Matthias

>
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Re: SourceForge (new look)

2018-01-13 Thread Matthias Seidel
Hi Dave,

Am 11.01.2018 um 20:11 schrieb Dave Brondsema:
> On 1/10/18 6:30 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>> Since yesterday (?) SourceForge has a complete new look:
>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/
>>
>> While I have to get used to the colors, it feels like the AOO downloads
>> are much more responsive now.
>>
> Glad you like it.  You can get a lot more granularity (e.g. daily or weekly) 
> now
> too.  It used to force you to weekly or monthly stats when you do broad dates.
> And the countries map doesn't use Flash to show those stats any more either :)

Yes, I like the new download graphics, but I thought more of the
download process.
Before it gave me a lot of time outs and "re-captcha not found". This is
gone now... ;-)

Any chance to get your new logo for our website?

Regards, Matthias

>
>
>




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Re: SourceForge (new look)

2018-01-11 Thread Marcus

Am 11.01.2018 um 20:11 schrieb Dave Brondsema:

On 1/10/18 6:30 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:

Since yesterday (?) SourceForge has a complete new look:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/

While I have to get used to the colors, it feels like the AOO downloads
are much more responsive now.


Glad you like it.  You can get a lot more granularity (e.g. daily or weekly) now
too.  It used to force you to weekly or monthly stats when you do broad dates.


thanks for the UI update. It's really great to see new things.


And the countries map doesn't use Flash to show those stats any more either :)


OK, *then* it is indeed faster. :-)

Marcus


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Re: SourceForge (new look)

2018-01-11 Thread Dave Brondsema
On 1/10/18 6:30 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
> Since yesterday (?) SourceForge has a complete new look:
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/
> 
> While I have to get used to the colors, it feels like the AOO downloads
> are much more responsive now.
> 

Glad you like it.  You can get a lot more granularity (e.g. daily or weekly) now
too.  It used to force you to weekly or monthly stats when you do broad dates.
And the countries map doesn't use Flash to show those stats any more either :)



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Re: Sourceforge and commercial ads

2015-12-10 Thread FR web forum
Sorry I miss it
http://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L=CHFRijTFpVuPUFM_ObYmRiZAKt_ufyAfXhoP4uALUytZ3EAEgjIHaF2D7gYCAsAqgAansitkDyAEB4AIAqAMByAObBKoEwQJP0OUDBsKK4Zd_3QwnmwjkD6NdgwmYodmRTD0Ai5eET9MgreTyW7LT8Mj6b_kUVMtCu_H1Rh2NzorWP33N-O981jE9AVGN71oF5v0bEEo-hyim7YO7GqlzzQH43A6JKp5U1ul72ghKOTYDzDGuYRzxtC55ppqdLy2rviXgys1xz-nEXGysUHzZq1T1zsDoGNt4RRAhg-Y2R1wzuttUplaCGriB8shCYugQ9nrOxszGA8vFlS4eZbKk7RF8IWbkVvfjFOV3w52zQta51Cp8ZqejLFx6u94Cbhxaw1DruwqigZfNUTmQwHV-nhKxM5-h2WU6wYt38k4aSW9gv1rfnZrRgWzUuhu9RcN6sqICu7Iy7FmGPOpQkdONiykv1nHjco6F6YY284LA-P4T0SfRUWO-QvE00u3Y9G1-hjkrJG8vmRXgBAGIBgGAB7-T9SaoB6a-G9gHAQ=1=5GhH8Rdu1BO77BxV8bSSq5kN=AOD64_0Nqs9KkWQKhlyBmFEGdPF8XM8fmQ=ca-pub-4006818487458500=11=197=210=2=http://opf2.fisseef.com/fr%3Futm_campaign%3Dopenoffice2%26utm_source%3Dgoogle

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À: "dev" <dev@openoffice.apache.org>, "Cyril Beaussier" <ooofo...@free.fr>
Envoyé: Mardi 10 Novembre 2015 10:35:16
Objet: Re: Sourceforge and commercial ads

Thanks for heads up, could you kindly pass me the exact link? Send me also
a direct message if you prefer.

Roberto

2015-11-10 10:23 GMT+01:00 FR web forum <ooofo...@free.fr>:

> Hello list,
>
> New ad to have a fake AOO:
> http://www.cjoint.com/c/EKkjxfqjgbA
> Jump to a para-site:
> h**p:/opf.goltus.com
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Re: Sourceforge and commercial ads

2015-12-10 Thread Roberto Galoppini
Thanks, I'll get it removed first thing this morning if it has not been
removed already.

Roberto

Il giovedì 10 dicembre 2015, FR web forum <ooofo...@free.fr> ha scritto:

> Sorry I miss it
>
> http://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L=CHFRijTFpVuPUFM_ObYmRiZAKt_ufyAfXhoP4uALUytZ3EAEgjIHaF2D7gYCAsAqgAansitkDyAEB4AIAqAMByAObBKoEwQJP0OUDBsKK4Zd_3QwnmwjkD6NdgwmYodmRTD0Ai5eET9MgreTyW7LT8Mj6b_kUVMtCu_H1Rh2NzorWP33N-O981jE9AVGN71oF5v0bEEo-hyim7YO7GqlzzQH43A6JKp5U1ul72ghKOTYDzDGuYRzxtC55ppqdLy2rviXgys1xz-nEXGysUHzZq1T1zsDoGNt4RRAhg-Y2R1wzuttUplaCGriB8shCYugQ9nrOxszGA8vFlS4eZbKk7RF8IWbkVvfjFOV3w52zQta51Cp8ZqejLFx6u94Cbhxaw1DruwqigZfNUTmQwHV-nhKxM5-h2WU6wYt38k4aSW9gv1rfnZrRgWzUuhu9RcN6sqICu7Iy7FmGPOpQkdONiykv1nHjco6F6YY284LA-P4T0SfRUWO-QvE00u3Y9G1-hjkrJG8vmRXgBAGIBgGAB7-T9SaoB6a-G9gHAQ=1=5GhH8Rdu1BO77BxV8bSSq5kN=AOD64_0Nqs9KkWQKhlyBmFEGdPF8XM8fmQ=ca-pub-4006818487458500=11=197=210=2=http://opf2.fisseef.com/fr%3Futm_campaign%3Dopenoffice2%26utm_source%3Dgoogle
>
> - Mail original -
> De: "Roberto Galoppini" <roberto.galopp...@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> À: "dev" <dev@openoffice.apache.org <javascript:;>>, "Cyril Beaussier" <
> ooofo...@free.fr <javascript:;>>
> Envoyé: Mardi 10 Novembre 2015 10:35:16
> Objet: Re: Sourceforge and commercial ads
>
> Thanks for heads up, could you kindly pass me the exact link? Send me also
> a direct message if you prefer.
>
> Roberto
>
> 2015-11-10 10:23 GMT+01:00 FR web forum <ooofo...@free.fr <javascript:;>>:
>
> > Hello list,
> >
> > New ad to have a fake AOO:
> > http://www.cjoint.com/c/EKkjxfqjgbA
> > Jump to a para-site:
> > h**p:/opf.goltus.com
> >
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RE: SOURCEFORGE [Was: téléchargement version 4.1.2]

2015-11-22 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Roberto, thanks for this.  Comments in-line

> -Original Message-
> From: Roberto Galoppini [mailto:roberto.galopp...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 14:23
> To: dev <dev@openoffice.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: SOURCEFORGE [Was: téléchargement version 4.1.2]
> 
> 2015-11-21 19:28 GMT+01:00 Dennis E. Hamilton <orc...@apache.org>:
> 
> > [not cross-posting]
> >
> > SourceForge is valuable to the project for providing the mirror
> capacity
> > that AOO requires.  The penalty is in regard to user distrust and
> these
> > awful situations that the list and Forum folks have to contend with.
> As
> > far as our users are concerned, it is the AOO project that is
> unreliable
> > and has them need to be so cautious.
> >
> > Of course SourceForge relies on advertising revenue to offset their
> > costs.  That is to be expected.  The problem is the confusion, not the
> > advertising.  We must work with SourceForge to avoid the confusion
> with
> > regard to ad placement and prominence.
> >
> 
> With my SourceForge hat on, there are two ways we can jointly work on:
> 
> 1. Report misleading ads here, following our instructions, see
> https://goo.gl/LQFHmE

[orcmid] 

This puts us in the position of playing wack-a-moley and having to watch the 
download-started page by requesting downloads just to see what happens.  That 
we have to do that, and have no clue what another ad rotation will present, is 
not practicable.

The main way these come to our attention is when users stumbles into them.  By 
then, we may not be able to see the offender and users have been abused by the 
arrangement.  

We must also presume that a very large proportion of the AOO user community 
consists of causual, non-expert computer users.  I suspect that is an unusual 
demographic for SourceForge.  I am doubtful that the procedure at 
<http://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/Report%20a%20problem%20with%20Ad%20content/>
 is particularly comprehensible to the folks that are likely misled by one of 
those ads.  In particular, most of the complaints we receive are in the belief 
that it is AOO that they are dealing with.

We need SourceForge's assistance in finding a way to serve that community well. 

> 2. Supporting the Clean Software Alliance guidelines (misleading ads)
> https://goo.gl/69XhqW
[orcmid] 
I think the issue at hand is under Misleading ads, item 1.5, about calls to 
action not being clearly for the ad and not what the page is about -- an AOO 
download having been requested.  (I am not quoting because of the restrictions 
on the CSA document.)  

I believe this could be cured if (1) the "your download will begin... " 
material was more prominent and made the focal feature of the page and that (2) 
the ads were clearly separated by some sort of "you might also be interested in 
these ..." prominently labelled and separated by a clear and emphatic boundary 
from the non-advertising content of the page.
> 
> For #1 I do actively monitor our mailing-list and I make sure
> SourceForge
> removes promptly misleading or unwanted ads.
> #2 would actually help to push the whole advertising industry to agree
> on
> more strict guidelines.
> 
> It would probably help to contribute feedback to those guidelines, since
> those are in a commentary period till the end of the year.
> 
> Having been involved in the CSA works I'd be happy to draft a comment if
> we
> intend to do so.
[orcmid] 
I don't see a problem with those guidelines.  I think the issue of 
misunderstood ads can be handled on the page where the ads are accepted.  One 
rule of thumb for the page might be that the non-advertising content and text 
be larger than any "download" button and text in an adjoining ad, however that 
is assured [;<).

> 
> Roberto
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > Andrea has pointed out separately that the alternative mirror system
> may
> > not be workable if even available for the demands that AOO downloads
> > represent.
> >
> >  - Dennis
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Dave Barton [mailto:d...@tasit.net]
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 07:09
> > > To: Apache OpenOffice Users <us...@openoffice.apache.org>
> > > Cc: Apache OpenOffice Developer <dev@openoffice.apache.org>
> > > Subject: SOURCEFORGE [Was: téléchargement version 4.1.2]
> > [ ... ]
> > >
> > > Is it not time to _*SERIOUSLY*_ review the distribution of our
> binaries
> > > via SourceForge?
> > >
> > > Rory O'Farrell and others dutifully expend their valuable time
> advising
> > > "unaware" users NOT to click on download links and butt

Re: SOURCEFORGE [Was: téléchargement version 4.1.2]

2015-11-22 Thread Roberto Galoppini
2015-11-22 18:29 GMT+01:00 Dennis E. Hamilton <orc...@apache.org>:

> Roberto, thanks for this.  Comments in-line
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Roberto Galoppini [mailto:roberto.galopp...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 14:23
> > To: dev <dev@openoffice.apache.org>
> > Subject: Re: SOURCEFORGE [Was: téléchargement version 4.1.2]
> >
> > 2015-11-21 19:28 GMT+01:00 Dennis E. Hamilton <orc...@apache.org>:
> >
> > > [not cross-posting]
> > >
> > > SourceForge is valuable to the project for providing the mirror
> > capacity
> > > that AOO requires.  The penalty is in regard to user distrust and
> > these
> > > awful situations that the list and Forum folks have to contend with.
> > As
> > > far as our users are concerned, it is the AOO project that is
> > unreliable
> > > and has them need to be so cautious.
> > >
> > > Of course SourceForge relies on advertising revenue to offset their
> > > costs.  That is to be expected.  The problem is the confusion, not the
> > > advertising.  We must work with SourceForge to avoid the confusion
> > with
> > > regard to ad placement and prominence.
> > >
> >
> > With my SourceForge hat on, there are two ways we can jointly work on:
> >
> > 1. Report misleading ads here, following our instructions, see
> > https://goo.gl/LQFHmE
>
> [orcmid]
>
> This puts us in the position of playing wack-a-moley and having to watch
> the download-started page by requesting downloads just to see what
> happens.  That we have to do that, and have no clue what another ad
> rotation will present, is not practicable.
>

That is exactly why I've added #2: we need Advertising Network Providers
help. We need companies like Google to provide us with a better mouse trap,
until then the only option is the actual post mortem approach.


>
> The main way these come to our attention is when users stumbles into
> them.  By then, we may not be able to see the offender and users have been
> abused by the arrangement.
>
> We must also presume that a very large proportion of the AOO user
> community consists of causual, non-expert computer users.  I suspect that
> is an unusual demographic for SourceForge.  I am doubtful that the
> procedure at <
> http://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/Report%20a%20problem%20with%20Ad%20content/>
> is particularly comprehensible to the folks that are likely misled by one
> of those ads.  In particular, most of the complaints we receive are in the
> belief that it is AOO that they are dealing with.
>
> We need SourceForge's assistance in finding a way to serve that community
> well.
>

We actively take care of all complaints and issues raised here in a timely
manner, and usually computer literate friends living in the geographies
where issues are raised do help me to collect such information. For
everything else, see #2.



>
> > 2. Supporting the Clean Software Alliance guidelines (misleading ads)
> > https://goo.gl/69XhqW
> [orcmid]
> I think the issue at hand is under Misleading ads, item 1.5, about calls
> to action not being clearly for the ad and not what the page is about -- an
> AOO download having been requested.  (I am not quoting because of the
> restrictions on the CSA document.)
>
> I believe this could be cured if (1) the "your download will begin... "
> material was more prominent and made the focal feature of the page


This is a suggestion you can definitely bring on the table, the SourceForge
Community Panel seems to be the most appropriate place for raising that.




> and that (2) the ads were clearly separated by some sort of "you might
> also be interested in these ..." prominently labelled and separated by a
> clear and emphatic boundary from the non-advertising content of the page.
>

As above.


> >
> > For #1 I do actively monitor our mailing-list and I make sure
> > SourceForge
> > removes promptly misleading or unwanted ads.
> > #2 would actually help to push the whole advertising industry to agree
> > on
> > more strict guidelines.
> >
> > It would probably help to contribute feedback to those guidelines, since
> > those are in a commentary period till the end of the year.
> >
> > Having been involved in the CSA works I'd be happy to draft a comment if
> > we
> > intend to do so.
> [orcmid]
> I don't see a problem with those guidelines.  I think the issue of
> misunderstood ads can be handled on the page where the ads are accepted.
> One rule of thumb for the page might be that the non-advertising content
> and te

RE: SOURCEFORGE [Was: téléchargement version 4.1.2]

2015-11-21 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
[not cross-posting]

SourceForge is valuable to the project for providing the mirror capacity that 
AOO requires.  The penalty is in regard to user distrust and these awful 
situations that the list and Forum folks have to contend with.  As far as our 
users are concerned, it is the AOO project that is unreliable and has them need 
to be so cautious.

Of course SourceForge relies on advertising revenue to offset their costs.  
That is to be expected.  The problem is the confusion, not the advertising.  We 
must work with SourceForge to avoid the confusion with regard to ad placement 
and prominence. 

Andrea has pointed out separately that the alternative mirror system may not be 
workable if even available for the demands that AOO downloads represent.

 - Dennis

> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Barton [mailto:d...@tasit.net]
> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 07:09
> To: Apache OpenOffice Users 
> Cc: Apache OpenOffice Developer 
> Subject: SOURCEFORGE [Was: téléchargement version 4.1.2]
[ ... ]
> 
> Is it not time to _*SERIOUSLY*_ review the distribution of our binaries
> via SourceForge?
> 
> Rory O'Farrell and others dutifully expend their valuable time advising
> "unaware" users NOT to click on download links and buttons after they
> are redirected to the SourceForge mirror page. While commendable, this
> is a "shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted" approach.
> 
> No matter what efforts SourceForge make to "weed out" fraudulent and
> malware links, our mailing lists and forums continue to receive a steady
> stream of download problem messages from "unaware" users.
> 
> There is no way to prove this discourages individuals and organizations
> from using AOO software, but continuously published reports of AOO
> distributing "unwanted" and/or "malware" programs reflects badly on us
> and by association the ASF.
> 
> I have no personal "gripe" against SourceForge and Roberto Galoppini's
> support in this area is invaluable. However, I do not understand, or
> find any reasonable explanation, why our download page does not redirect
> to the ASF's own mirror network:
> https://www.apache.org/mirrors/
> where our binaries are already being served by 200+ mirrors around the
> world.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: SOURCEFORGE [Was: téléchargement version 4.1.2]

2015-11-21 Thread Andrea Pescetti

Dave Barton wrote:

I do not understand, or
find any reasonable explanation, why our download page does not redirect
to the ASF's own mirror network:
https://www.apache.org/mirrors/
where our binaries are already being served by 200+ mirrors around the
world.


Leaving all the SourceForge discussion aside, one reasonable explanation 
for this last question is that the vast majority of Apache mirrors do 
NOT mirror OpenOffice: those who do are a minority. I've just tried with 
the Italian mirrors and only 2 out of 7 offer OpenOffice. Load balancers 
are broken by this incomplete mirroring: even if you try to download the 
source package http://openoffice.apache.org/downloads.html you often 
have to try multiple mirrors before getting one that works.


In short, the ASF mirror network is not nearly as complete and reliable 
as it seems at a first look (besides having other issues such as lack of 
stats and lack of unique download URLs).


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: SOURCEFORGE [Was: téléchargement version 4.1.2]

2015-11-21 Thread Roberto Galoppini
2015-11-21 19:28 GMT+01:00 Dennis E. Hamilton :

> [not cross-posting]
>
> SourceForge is valuable to the project for providing the mirror capacity
> that AOO requires.  The penalty is in regard to user distrust and these
> awful situations that the list and Forum folks have to contend with.  As
> far as our users are concerned, it is the AOO project that is unreliable
> and has them need to be so cautious.
>
> Of course SourceForge relies on advertising revenue to offset their
> costs.  That is to be expected.  The problem is the confusion, not the
> advertising.  We must work with SourceForge to avoid the confusion with
> regard to ad placement and prominence.
>

With my SourceForge hat on, there are two ways we can jointly work on:

1. Report misleading ads here, following our instructions, see
https://goo.gl/LQFHmE
2. Supporting the Clean Software Alliance guidelines (misleading ads)
https://goo.gl/69XhqW

For #1 I do actively monitor our mailing-list and I make sure SourceForge
removes promptly misleading or unwanted ads.
#2 would actually help to push the whole advertising industry to agree on
more strict guidelines.

It would probably help to contribute feedback to those guidelines, since
those are in a commentary period till the end of the year.

Having been involved in the CSA works I'd be happy to draft a comment if we
intend to do so.

Roberto



>
> Andrea has pointed out separately that the alternative mirror system may
> not be workable if even available for the demands that AOO downloads
> represent.
>
>  - Dennis
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dave Barton [mailto:d...@tasit.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 07:09
> > To: Apache OpenOffice Users 
> > Cc: Apache OpenOffice Developer 
> > Subject: SOURCEFORGE [Was: téléchargement version 4.1.2]
> [ ... ]
> >
> > Is it not time to _*SERIOUSLY*_ review the distribution of our binaries
> > via SourceForge?
> >
> > Rory O'Farrell and others dutifully expend their valuable time advising
> > "unaware" users NOT to click on download links and buttons after they
> > are redirected to the SourceForge mirror page. While commendable, this
> > is a "shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted" approach.
> >
> > No matter what efforts SourceForge make to "weed out" fraudulent and
> > malware links, our mailing lists and forums continue to receive a steady
> > stream of download problem messages from "unaware" users.
> >
> > There is no way to prove this discourages individuals and organizations
> > from using AOO software, but continuously published reports of AOO
> > distributing "unwanted" and/or "malware" programs reflects badly on us
> > and by association the ASF.
> >
> > I have no personal "gripe" against SourceForge and Roberto Galoppini's
> > support in this area is invaluable. However, I do not understand, or
> > find any reasonable explanation, why our download page does not redirect
> > to the ASF's own mirror network:
> > https://www.apache.org/mirrors/
> > where our binaries are already being served by 200+ mirrors around the
> > world.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Sourceforge and commercial ads

2015-11-10 Thread Roberto Galoppini
Thanks for heads up, could you kindly pass me the exact link? Send me also
a direct message if you prefer.

Roberto

2015-11-10 10:23 GMT+01:00 FR web forum :

> Hello list,
>
> New ad to have a fake AOO:
> http://www.cjoint.com/c/EKkjxfqjgbA
> Jump to a para-site:
> h**p:/opf.goltus.com
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Re: Sourceforge and commercial ads

2015-11-10 Thread FR web forum
Hello list,

New ad to have a fake AOO:
http://www.cjoint.com/c/EKkjxfqjgbA
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Re: Sourceforge

2015-06-05 Thread imacat
(I did not see any reason this discussion should go private, so I
moved it to public.)

As far as I read, the GIMP team had never opt-in distributing
adwares/malwares.  They did agree to share SF.net's ad profit, but not
bundling adwares/malwares with their installers.  And SF.net did
hijacked GIMP for Windows without authors' consent.

Goodbye, SourceForge.
https://helb.github.io/goodbye-sourceforge/

Anatomy of SourceForge/GIMP controversy (from GIMP team)
http://libregraphicsworld.org/blog/entry/anatomy-of-sourceforge-gimp-controversy

What happened to Sourceforge? (from VLC developer)
https://blog.l0cal.com/2015/06/02/what-happened-to-sourceforge/

I looked into which projects SF.net hijacked, and surprisingly found
Apache HTTPD, Apache Derby, Apache Directory Studio, Firefox, MySQL,
PostgreSQL, Nmap, The R-project.

Apache HTTPD, Apache Derby, Apache Directory Studio, Nmap, R
http://sourceforge.net/u/sf-editor3/profile/

GIMP, VLC
http://sourceforge.net/u/sf-editor1/profile/

Firefox, MySQL, PostgreSQL
http://sourceforge.net/u/sf-editor/profile/

So who's next?  Apache OpenOffice?  When will there be a new
malware/adware-enabled Apache OpenOfffice installer?  I suppose we
should move from SF.net to a trustworthy mirror solution.

Roberto Galoppini on 2015/06/02 04:50 said:
 Hi again Louis,
 
 2015-06-01 21:47 GMT+02:00 Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com:
 
 Hi Roberto,
 See these:


 http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/

 
 It's not up-to-date, GIMP (and every other mirror project) has been
 unbundled few days ago. Just as I stated above. Also if you follow dev@ you
 know that by the facts we remove unwanted or misleading ads in hours.
 
 
 

 http://danluu.com/slashdot-sourceforge/

 
 It seems like this is not up-to-date too, as far as I know Slashdot editor
 after the week-end catched up with everything, included this. Of course
 there is as usual space for conspirancy theories, but you understand I
 can't help with that.
 
 Unless you have something else I think I've covered everything, if you or
 someone else has more questions I'll be happy to answer.
 
 Roberto
 
 

 I don’t think that seeing this as a fuss and deprecating it as
 unimportant or trivial (in some way) either because it’s a storm in a
 teacup or old news or misinterpreted news is useful to us or to SF.

 louis


 On 01 Jun 2015, at 15:31, Roberto Galoppini roberto.galopp...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Louis,

  I'm pretty sure I've read most of it, not sure to which one you're
 referring to.
  But yes, I'm pretty sure that was done with only (very) few SourceForge
 abandoned project for just some days.

  Roberto

 2015-06-01 21:25 GMT+02:00 Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com:
 Roberto,


 Surely you have also gone over the US press and now also reddit
 discussions? In which it seems as if SF is not always waiting for
 abandonment?

 louis
 On 01 Jun 2015, at 15:23, Roberto Galoppini 
 roberto.galopp...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just a quick clarification on the topic. Not long time ago Simon
 himself wrote an article saying good things of the DevShare program, see
 http://www.infoworld.com/article/2610419/open-source-software/retro-repo-sourceforge-learns-new-tricks.html

 Having said that, recently SourceForge tested the program on few
 SourceForge projects that were abandoned by the original developers and
 kept updated by our editorial team or bots. Given the community reactions
 the company decided to quit such tests for good.

 A company statement clarifying it further will be made public soon,
 beyond the fuss nothing has really changed as of now.

 Roberto

 2015-06-01 20:40 GMT+02:00 Rob Weir r...@robweir.com:

 On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
 Just a FYI:

 https://twitter.com/webmink/status/605422600970510338

 I fully expect that somehow this will be used as ammunition
 against AOO, due to our reliance on them as a major download
 partner.



 It sounds like they are recycling old news or something.  The whole
 opt-in advertising brouhaha occurred a few years ago,   We did not opt-in,
 so it was not an issue for us.  Sounds like GIMP first opted-in, then
 opted-out, but it is not clear whether as a community they spoke with one
 voice and whether it was clear to SF whose voice represented the
 community.   Apache projects have a governance model and a decision making
 process that makes that kind of misunderstanding less likely.

 -Rob







 

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Re: Sourceforge

2015-06-05 Thread Rory O'Farrell
On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 22:41:19 +0800
imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw wrote:

 (I did not see any reason this discussion should go private, so I
 moved it to public.)

There is some additional information in this thread on the en-Forum
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49t=77517

Rory O'Farrell

 
 As far as I read, the GIMP team had never opt-in distributing
 adwares/malwares.  They did agree to share SF.net's ad profit, but not
 bundling adwares/malwares with their installers.  And SF.net did
 hijacked GIMP for Windows without authors' consent.
 
 Goodbye, SourceForge.
 https://helb.github.io/goodbye-sourceforge/
 
 Anatomy of SourceForge/GIMP controversy (from GIMP team)
 http://libregraphicsworld.org/blog/entry/anatomy-of-sourceforge-gimp-controversy
 
 What happened to Sourceforge? (from VLC developer)
 https://blog.l0cal.com/2015/06/02/what-happened-to-sourceforge/
 
 I looked into which projects SF.net hijacked, and surprisingly found
 Apache HTTPD, Apache Derby, Apache Directory Studio, Firefox, MySQL,
 PostgreSQL, Nmap, The R-project.
 
 Apache HTTPD, Apache Derby, Apache Directory Studio, Nmap, R
 http://sourceforge.net/u/sf-editor3/profile/
 
 GIMP, VLC
 http://sourceforge.net/u/sf-editor1/profile/
 
 Firefox, MySQL, PostgreSQL
 http://sourceforge.net/u/sf-editor/profile/
 
 So who's next?  Apache OpenOffice?  When will there be a new
 malware/adware-enabled Apache OpenOfffice installer?  I suppose we
 should move from SF.net to a trustworthy mirror solution.
 
 Roberto Galoppini on 2015/06/02 04:50 said:
  Hi again Louis,
  
  2015-06-01 21:47 GMT+02:00 Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com:
  
  Hi Roberto,
  See these:
 
 
  http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/
 
  
  It's not up-to-date, GIMP (and every other mirror project) has been
  unbundled few days ago. Just as I stated above. Also if you follow dev@ you
  know that by the facts we remove unwanted or misleading ads in hours.
  
  
  
 
  http://danluu.com/slashdot-sourceforge/
 
  
  It seems like this is not up-to-date too, as far as I know Slashdot editor
  after the week-end catched up with everything, included this. Of course
  there is as usual space for conspirancy theories, but you understand I
  can't help with that.
  
  Unless you have something else I think I've covered everything, if you or
  someone else has more questions I'll be happy to answer.
  
  Roberto
  
  
 
  I don’t think that seeing this as a fuss and deprecating it as
  unimportant or trivial (in some way) either because it’s a storm in a
  teacup or old news or misinterpreted news is useful to us or to SF.
 
  louis
 
 
  On 01 Jun 2015, at 15:31, Roberto Galoppini roberto.galopp...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Louis,
 
   I'm pretty sure I've read most of it, not sure to which one you're
  referring to.
   But yes, I'm pretty sure that was done with only (very) few SourceForge
  abandoned project for just some days.
 
   Roberto
 
  2015-06-01 21:25 GMT+02:00 Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com:
  Roberto,
 
 
  Surely you have also gone over the US press and now also reddit
  discussions? In which it seems as if SF is not always waiting for
  abandonment?
 
  louis
  On 01 Jun 2015, at 15:23, Roberto Galoppini 
  roberto.galopp...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Just a quick clarification on the topic. Not long time ago Simon
  himself wrote an article saying good things of the DevShare program, see
  http://www.infoworld.com/article/2610419/open-source-software/retro-repo-sourceforge-learns-new-tricks.html
 
  Having said that, recently SourceForge tested the program on few
  SourceForge projects that were abandoned by the original developers and
  kept updated by our editorial team or bots. Given the community reactions
  the company decided to quit such tests for good.
 
  A company statement clarifying it further will be made public soon,
  beyond the fuss nothing has really changed as of now.
 
  Roberto
 
  2015-06-01 20:40 GMT+02:00 Rob Weir r...@robweir.com:
 
  On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
  Just a FYI:
 
  https://twitter.com/webmink/status/605422600970510338
 
  I fully expect that somehow this will be used as ammunition
  against AOO, due to our reliance on them as a major download
  partner.
 
 
 
  It sounds like they are recycling old news or something.  The whole
  opt-in advertising brouhaha occurred a few years ago,   We did not opt-in,
  so it was not an issue for us.  Sounds like GIMP first opted-in, then
  opted-out, but it is not clear whether as a community they spoke with one
  voice and whether it was clear to SF whose voice represented the
  community.   Apache projects have a governance model and a decision making
  process that makes that kind of misunderstanding less likely.
 
  -Rob
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
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 Best regards,
 imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw
 

Re: Sourceforge and commercial ads

2015-05-27 Thread Roberto Galoppini
Hi,

 I need the original link, and possibly a screenshot, thanks.

 Roberto

2015-05-27 10:51 GMT+02:00 FR web forum ooofo...@free.fr:

 Hello list,

 New ad to have a fake AOO.
 Jump to a para-site:
 h**p://www.sutuul.com

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Re: Sourceforge and commercial ads

2015-05-27 Thread Roberto Galoppini
It has been removed, thanks for heads up.

2015-05-27 11:10 GMT+02:00 Roberto Galoppini roberto.galopp...@gmail.com:

 Hi,

  I need the original link, and possibly a screenshot, thanks.

  Roberto

 2015-05-27 10:51 GMT+02:00 FR web forum ooofo...@free.fr:

 Hello list,

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Re: Sourceforge and commercial ads

2015-02-13 Thread Roberto Galoppini
Thanks for heads up, I've just passed this onto our AdOps team, it will be
removed shortly.

roberto

2015-02-13 17:09 GMT+01:00 FR web forum ooofo...@free.fr:

 Hello list,

 New ad to have a fake AOO.
 See: http://hpics.li/73a635e

 This ad jump to a para-site:
 h**p://www.maribiz.net



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Re: Sourceforge and commercial ads

2015-02-13 Thread Roberto Galoppini
Just confirming it has been blocked 5 mins ago.

Thanks again,

Roberto

2015-02-13 17:29 GMT+01:00 Roberto Galoppini roberto.galopp...@gmail.com:

 Thanks for heads up, I've just passed this onto our AdOps team, it will be
 removed shortly.

 roberto

 2015-02-13 17:09 GMT+01:00 FR web forum ooofo...@free.fr:

 Hello list,

 New ad to have a fake AOO.
 See: http://hpics.li/73a635e

 This ad jump to a para-site:
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Re: SourceForge and commercial ads - continued

2014-12-11 Thread Roberto Galoppini
Just realised I forgot to mention we have removed that in the very same
day. Thanks for heads up.

Roberto

2014-12-09 15:44 GMT+01:00 FR web forum ooofo...@free.fr:

 See today: http://hpics.li/5e52083
 This ad go to h**p://maribiz.net

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Re: SourceForge and commercial ads - continued

2014-12-09 Thread FR web forum
See today: http://hpics.li/5e52083
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Re: SourceForge and commercial ads - continued

2014-11-21 Thread Roberto Galoppini
2014-11-21 7:55 GMT+01:00 Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com:

 On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 5:04 AM, Roberto Galoppini 
 roberto.galopp...@gmail.com wrote:

  Actually none of our direct advertisers ask us to deliver similar ads,
 nor
  we would allow them to do that.
  Unfortunately advertising networks like Google allow that to happen, and
  that's where the problem comes from.
 

 Thanks for the info. At least we know who to blame.
 I wrote the above under the assumption that Sourceforge ran its own online
 adverts network.


I was just providing some context, we are responsible for what is displayed
on our site, no matter how ads get there.

I'm happy to tell you that our AdOps have been doing a great job over the
last days, identifying new approaches that so far are working fine. We're
reviewing daily what is displayed on openoffice pages and we'll keep a
close eye on this matter.

Thanks,

Roberto





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Re: SourceForge and commercial ads - continued

2014-11-20 Thread Roberto Galoppini
2014-11-19 19:00 GMT+01:00 Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com:

 On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Bernard Marcelly 
 marce...@club-internet.fr
  wrote:

  I see a blue square indicated : updatechecker.
  When I click it I get another panel from http://www.marbiz.net saying
 (in
  french) :
Searching for OpenOffice latest version
Download button
  And then the Conditions :
  chapter 0. Objet: services offered by FULLTIME NETWORKS LIMITED., adresse
  2 Martin House, 179-181 North End Road, Londres W14 9NL, Reino Unido


This has been removed yesterday, couple of hours after I've read this.




 IMHO this needs to stop. It should be something as simple as a section in
 the SourceForge terms of service for its advertisers banning adverts that
 impersonate or mention FOSS projects hosted on sourceforge.net, maybe
 adding something about deceptive advertising or deceptive clicking.



Actually none of our direct advertisers ask us to deliver similar ads, nor
we would allow them to do that.
Unfortunately advertising networks like Google allow that to happen, and
that's where the problem comes from.
This week we removed three deceptive ads coming that way, but since those
advertising networks do not provide much control over the type/content of
displayed ads. We're now talking to their accounts to identify a better
approach.





 I mean it´s one thing to offer an OpenOffice add-on and another entirely
 to offer an AOO download from an external site.

 If SourceForge doesn´t put an end to this, they´re willing accomplices and
 are hurting AOO with full knowledge.


I can tell that from our GM down fixing this is a top priority, as usual
I'll let facts talk.

Roberto





 Just my $0.02
 FC


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 During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary
 act
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 Revolucionario
 - George Orwell



Re: SourceForge and commercial ads - continued

2014-11-20 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 5:04 AM, Roberto Galoppini 
roberto.galopp...@gmail.com wrote:

 Actually none of our direct advertisers ask us to deliver similar ads, nor
 we would allow them to do that.
 Unfortunately advertising networks like Google allow that to happen, and
 that's where the problem comes from.


Thanks for the info. At least we know who to blame.
I wrote the above under the assumption that Sourceforge ran its own online
adverts network.

FC


Re: SourceForge and commercial ads - continued

2014-11-19 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Bernard Marcelly marce...@club-internet.fr
 wrote:

 I see a blue square indicated : updatechecker.
 When I click it I get another panel from http://www.marbiz.net saying (in
 french) :
   Searching for OpenOffice latest version
   Download button
 And then the Conditions :
 chapter 0. Objet: services offered by FULLTIME NETWORKS LIMITED., adresse
 2 Martin House, 179-181 North End Road, Londres W14 9NL, Reino Unido


IMHO this needs to stop. It should be something as simple as a section in
the SourceForge terms of service for its advertisers banning adverts that
impersonate or mention FOSS projects hosted on sourceforge.net, maybe
adding something about deceptive advertising or deceptive clicking.

I mean it´s one thing to offer an OpenOffice add-on and another entirely
to offer an AOO download from an external site.

If SourceForge doesn´t put an end to this, they´re willing accomplices and
are hurting AOO with full knowledge.

Just my $0.02
FC


-- 
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary
act
Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto
Revolucionario
- George Orwell


Re: Sourceforge and commercial ads

2014-11-17 Thread FR web forum
Thanks for heads up, I've passed this onto our AdOps team, will get that 
removed in few hours. 
Seems to be continue
A bug report has been created:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125872

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Re: Sourceforge and commercial ads

2014-11-17 Thread Roberto Galoppini
The above mentioned ads has been removed from the catalog, it will
disappear in the next hour.
Sorry for the inconvenience, I've asked our AdOps team to put a tighter
control on ads.

Roberto

2014-11-17 16:01 GMT+01:00 FR web forum ooofo...@free.fr:

 Thanks for heads up, I've passed this onto our AdOps team, will get that
 removed in few hours.
 Seems to be continue
 A bug report has been created:
 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125872



Re: Sourceforge and commercial ads

2014-09-03 Thread FR web forum
Hello list,

New ad to have a fake AOO.
See: http://hpics.li/c0340e7

This ad jump to a para-site:
h**p://openoffice.updateavenue.com


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Re: Sourceforge and commercial ads

2014-09-03 Thread Roberto Galoppini
Thanks for heads up, I've passed it over to our AdOps to remove it.

Roberto

Il mercoledì 3 settembre 2014, FR web forum ooofo...@free.fr ha scritto:

 Hello list,

 New ad to have a fake AOO.
 See: http://hpics.li/c0340e7

 This ad jump to a para-site:
 h**p://openoffice.updateavenue.com


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Re: Sourceforge and commercial ads

2014-07-16 Thread Roberto Galoppini
Please provide me the exact link and I'll make sure to remove that from the
OpenOffice download page.

thanks for heads up.

Roberto


2014-07-16 9:35 GMT+02:00 FR web forum ooofo...@free.fr:

 Hello list,

 Since a couple of weeks, french users encounter problems to download AOO.
 SF.net shows commercial ads that jump to para-site and fraudulous builds.

 Example: http://hpics.li/99fceea

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Re: Sourceforge video saying 3.4.1

2013-07-27 Thread Roberto Galoppini
2013/7/26 Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de

 Am 07/26/2013 03:59 PM, schrieb Roberto Galoppini:

 2013/7/25 Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de

  Am 07/25/2013 08:38 PM, schrieb Roberto Galoppini:

  2013/7/24 Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de

   Am 07/24/2013 01:08 AM, schrieb Shari Smith:


Just though someone might want to either pull the video or update
 it :)

  
 http://sourceforge.net/**projects/openofficeorg.mirror/http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/**
 **?source=dlphttp://**sourceforge.net/**projects/**
 openofficeorg.mirror/**?**source=dlphttp://sourceforge.net/**projects/openofficeorg.mirror/**?source=dlp
 
 http://**sourceforge.net/**projects/**openofficeorg.**
 mirror/?source=**dlphttp://sourceforge.net/projects/**openofficeorg.mirror/?source=**dlp
 http://**sourceforge.net/projects/**openofficeorg.mirror/?source=**
 dlphttp://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/?source=dlp
 




  @Roberto:
 What do you think, can you update the video? Drew has posted here a
 version and link to his new brilliant artwork for AOO 4.0.0:

 http://mail-archives.apache.**org/mod_mbox/openoffice-dev/**
 201307.mbox/%*
 *3CCABoexJ3VoPdd2nm1xe4TM2q2wid**JRurmEt8n6Cn-jTh_toAULA%**
 40mail.gmail.com%3Ehttp://**m**ail-archives.apache.org/mod_**http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_**
 mbox/openoffice-dev/201307.mbox/%
 3CCABoexJ3VoPdd2nm1xe4TM2q2wid
 JRurmEt8n6Cn-jTh_toAULA%**40ma**il.gmail.com http://40mail.gmail.com
 %3Ehttp://mail-**archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/**
 openoffice-dev/201307.mbox/%**3CCABoexJ3VoPdd2nm1xe4TM2q2wid**
 JRurmEt8n6Cn-jTh_toAULA%**40mail.gmail.com%3Ehttp://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-dev/201307.mbox/%3CCABoexJ3VoPdd2nm1xe4TM2q2widJRurmEt8n6Cn-jTh_toAULA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
 




  Here we go: 
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/http://sourceforge.net/**projects/openofficeorg.mirror/
 **http://sourceforge.net/**projects/openofficeorg.mirror/http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/
 **


 \o/

 Drew will be happy.



 Indeed, and if he has any update I'll make sure to upload a new version.





   Marcus what about updating the feature section?



 You means this text?

 Features
  Cross platform (Windows, Linux, Mac OS X)
  170+ Languages
  Extensions available
  Commercial support available

 I would also add a line with Templates available as it is linked on the
 bottom of the webpage.


 What about a short summary of all the new features enlisted in the release
 notes?


 Good idea. However, it's difficult to select the best choices. The
 following is my suggestion. If anyone has another, feel free to add or
 correct:

 New Features and Enhancements
 - New Sidebar
 - Interoperability Improvements for Text Documents, Spreadhseet Documents,
 Presentation Documents and OOXML file format in general
 - DrawObject Improvements/Enhancements
   - New Color Palette
   - New Gradients
   - New Gallery Themes and Gallery enhancements
   - Refined the Selection Handles User Interface
   - Refined Selection Visualization
   - Better Print Preview
   - Enhanced conversion to Bitmap Graphics
   - Enhanced FillType 'Bitmap'
   - Enhanced Copy/Paste
   - Enhanced DragDrop
   - Adapt LineStart/End to LineWidth
   - SVG Export enhancements
   - SVG/Metafile Break improvements
   - SVG Import improvements
   - Picture Crop mode offers preview
   - Unified visualization of ColorPalette popups
   - Transparency support for pixel formats (PNG)
   - Connectors support rotation
   - Corrected Hatch fill style visualization
   - Better gradient support in metafiles
 - Calc and Chart Improvements/Enhancements
   - Support relative Pie Chart Height:
   - New Functions
 - AVERAGEIFS, COUNTIFS, SUMIFS, XOR, LEFTB, RIGHTB, LENB, MIDB and
 RAND (reimplemented to use the Mersenne-Twister algorithm)
 - Extensions Improvements/Enhancements
   - New Toolbar management
   - Unified menu API
 - Performance Improvements/Enhancements
   - Many resource leaks were fixed.
   - Speedup of Graphic Rendering
 - Additional Language Support
 - Changes that Impact Backwards Compatibility
   - Module binfilter removed (legacy StarOffice file formats (.sdw, .sdc,
 .sdd, etc.)
   - Python support updated
   - Support for system C++ STL


Ok, added them all, maybe we do want to order them a bit (for example
setting the New Toolbar management in an higher position)?



 If possible from the webpage frontend point-of-view add a possibility to
 expand and collapse this area, e.g., with + and - signs - like it is done
 with the Additional details text.


Actually all features are shown.



 And a link to the release notes at the end like Click here to get the
 complete text would be great.


Maybe we could use the External link tool?
https://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/External%20Link/




  Also at least a new screenshot with the sidebar would be great.


 Sure, let me know if you need any help 

Re: Sourceforge video saying 3.4.1

2013-07-26 Thread Roberto Galoppini
2013/7/25 Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de

 Am 07/25/2013 08:38 PM, schrieb Roberto Galoppini:

 2013/7/24 Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de

  Am 07/24/2013 01:08 AM, schrieb Shari Smith:

   Just though someone might want to either pull the video or update it :)

 http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/**
 **?source=dlphttp://sourceforge.net/**projects/openofficeorg.mirror/**?source=dlp
 http://**sourceforge.net/projects/**openofficeorg.mirror/?source=**dlphttp://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/?source=dlp
 


 @Roberto:
 What do you think, can you update the video? Drew has posted here a
 version and link to his new brilliant artwork for AOO 4.0.0:

 http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-dev/
 201307.mbox/%*
 ***3CCABoexJ3VoPdd2nm1xe4TM2q2widJRurmEt8n6Cn-jTh_toAULA%**
 40mail.gmail.com%3Ehttp://**mail-archives.apache.org/mod_**
 mbox/openoffice-dev/201307.**mbox/%**3CCABoexJ3VoPdd2nm1xe4TM2q2wid**
 JRurmEt8n6Cn-jTh_toAULA%**40mail.gmail.com%3Ehttp://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-dev/201307.mbox/%3CCABoexJ3VoPdd2nm1xe4TM2q2widJRurmEt8n6Cn-jTh_toAULA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
 


 Here we go: 
 http://sourceforge.net/**projects/openofficeorg.mirror/http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/


 \o/

 Drew will be happy.


Indeed, and if he has any update I'll make sure to upload a new version.





  Marcus what about updating the feature section?


 You means this text?

 Features
 Cross platform (Windows, Linux, Mac OS X)
 170+ Languages
 Extensions available
 Commercial support available

 I would also add a line with Templates available as it is linked on the
 bottom of the webpage.


What about a short summary of all the new features enlisted in the release
notes?




 Also at least a new screenshot with the sidebar would be great.


Sure, let me know if you need any help to get things done.

Roberto




 Marcus




Re: Sourceforge video saying 3.4.1

2013-07-26 Thread Marcus (OOo)

Am 07/26/2013 03:59 PM, schrieb Roberto Galoppini:

2013/7/25 Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de


Am 07/25/2013 08:38 PM, schrieb Roberto Galoppini:


2013/7/24 Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de

  Am 07/24/2013 01:08 AM, schrieb Shari Smith:


   Just though someone might want to either pull the video or update it :)


http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/**
**?source=dlphttp://sourceforge.net/**projects/openofficeorg.mirror/**?source=dlp
http://**sourceforge.net/projects/**openofficeorg.mirror/?source=**dlphttp://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/?source=dlp






@Roberto:
What do you think, can you update the video? Drew has posted here a
version and link to his new brilliant artwork for AOO 4.0.0:

http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-dev/
201307.mbox/%*
***3CCABoexJ3VoPdd2nm1xe4TM2q2widJRurmEt8n6Cn-jTh_toAULA%**
40mail.gmail.com%3Ehttp://**mail-archives.apache.org/mod_**
mbox/openoffice-dev/201307.**mbox/%**3CCABoexJ3VoPdd2nm1xe4TM2q2wid**
JRurmEt8n6Cn-jTh_toAULA%**40mail.gmail.com%3Ehttp://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-dev/201307.mbox/%3CCABoexJ3VoPdd2nm1xe4TM2q2widJRurmEt8n6Cn-jTh_toAULA%40mail.gmail.com%3E






Here we go: 
http://sourceforge.net/**projects/openofficeorg.mirror/http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/



\o/

Drew will be happy.



Indeed, and if he has any update I'll make sure to upload a new version.






  Marcus what about updating the feature section?




You means this text?

Features
 Cross platform (Windows, Linux, Mac OS X)
 170+ Languages
 Extensions available
 Commercial support available

I would also add a line with Templates available as it is linked on the
bottom of the webpage.



What about a short summary of all the new features enlisted in the release
notes?


Good idea. However, it's difficult to select the best choices. The 
following is my suggestion. If anyone has another, feel free to add or 
correct:


New Features and Enhancements
- New Sidebar
- Interoperability Improvements for Text Documents, Spreadhseet 
Documents, Presentation Documents and OOXML file format in general

- DrawObject Improvements/Enhancements
  - New Color Palette
  - New Gradients
  - New Gallery Themes and Gallery enhancements
  - Refined the Selection Handles User Interface
  - Refined Selection Visualization
  - Better Print Preview
  - Enhanced conversion to Bitmap Graphics
  - Enhanced FillType 'Bitmap'
  - Enhanced Copy/Paste
  - Enhanced DragDrop
  - Adapt LineStart/End to LineWidth
  - SVG Export enhancements
  - SVG/Metafile Break improvements
  - SVG Import improvements
  - Picture Crop mode offers preview
  - Unified visualization of ColorPalette popups
  - Transparency support for pixel formats (PNG)
  - Connectors support rotation
  - Corrected Hatch fill style visualization
  - Better gradient support in metafiles
- Calc and Chart Improvements/Enhancements
  - Support relative Pie Chart Height:
  - New Functions
- AVERAGEIFS, COUNTIFS, SUMIFS, XOR, LEFTB, RIGHTB, LENB, MIDB and 
RAND (reimplemented to use the Mersenne-Twister algorithm)

- Extensions Improvements/Enhancements
  - New Toolbar management
  - Unified menu API
- Performance Improvements/Enhancements
  - Many resource leaks were fixed.
  - Speedup of Graphic Rendering
- Additional Language Support
- Changes that Impact Backwards Compatibility
  - Module binfilter removed (legacy StarOffice file formats (.sdw, 
.sdc, .sdd, etc.)

  - Python support updated
  - Support for system C++ STL

If possible from the webpage frontend point-of-view add a possibility to 
expand and collapse this area, e.g., with + and - signs - like it is 
done with the Additional details text.


And a link to the release notes at the end like Click here to get the 
complete text would be great.



Also at least a new screenshot with the sidebar would be great.



Sure, let me know if you need any help to get things done.


Keep it simply. So, why not take these both ones from the release notes:

To see it in action:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/30746475/screenshot-writer-context-shape.png

To see the possibilities:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/30746475/sidebar-panels.png

Marcus


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Re: Sourceforge video saying 3.4.1

2013-07-25 Thread Roberto Galoppini
2013/7/24 Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de

 Am 07/24/2013 01:08 AM, schrieb Shari Smith:

  Just though someone might want to either pull the video or update it :)
 http://sourceforge.net/**projects/openofficeorg.mirror/**?source=dlphttp://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/?source=dlp


 @Roberto:
 What do you think, can you update the video? Drew has posted here a
 version and link to his new brilliant artwork for AOO 4.0.0:

 http://mail-archives.apache.**org/mod_mbox/openoffice-dev/**201307.mbox/%*
 *3CCABoexJ3VoPdd2nm1xe4TM2q2wid**JRurmEt8n6Cn-jTh_toAULA%**
 40mail.gmail.com%3Ehttp://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-dev/201307.mbox/%3CCABoexJ3VoPdd2nm1xe4TM2q2widJRurmEt8n6Cn-jTh_toAULA%40mail.gmail.com%3E


Here we go: http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/

Marcus what about updating the feature section?

Roberto


  WTG  Thanks for this wonderful new version!
 Shari


 @Shari:
 Thank you very much. We wish you much fun and success with the new release.

 Marcus




Re: Sourceforge video saying 3.4.1

2013-07-25 Thread Kay Schenk
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Roberto Galoppini 
roberto.galopp...@gmail.com wrote:

 2013/7/24 Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de

  Am 07/24/2013 01:08 AM, schrieb Shari Smith:
 
   Just though someone might want to either pull the video or update it :)
  http://sourceforge.net/**projects/openofficeorg.mirror/**?source=dlp
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/?source=dlp
 
 
  @Roberto:
  What do you think, can you update the video? Drew has posted here a
  version and link to his new brilliant artwork for AOO 4.0.0:
 
  http://mail-archives.apache.
 **org/mod_mbox/openoffice-dev/**201307.mbox/%*
  *3CCABoexJ3VoPdd2nm1xe4TM2q2wid**JRurmEt8n6Cn-jTh_toAULA%**
  40mail.gmail.com%3E
 http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-dev/201307.mbox/%3CCABoexJ3VoPdd2nm1xe4TM2q2widJRurmEt8n6Cn-jTh_toAULA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
 
 

 Here we go: http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/


good!  :)



 Marcus what about updating the feature section?

 Roberto


   WTG  Thanks for this wonderful new version!
  Shari
 
 
  @Shari:
  Thank you very much. We wish you much fun and success with the new
 release.
 
  Marcus
 
 




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Re: Sourceforge video saying 3.4.1

2013-07-25 Thread Marcus (OOo)

Am 07/25/2013 08:38 PM, schrieb Roberto Galoppini:

2013/7/24 Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de


Am 07/24/2013 01:08 AM, schrieb Shari Smith:

  Just though someone might want to either pull the video or update it :)

http://sourceforge.net/**projects/openofficeorg.mirror/**?source=dlphttp://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/?source=dlp



@Roberto:
What do you think, can you update the video? Drew has posted here a
version and link to his new brilliant artwork for AOO 4.0.0:

http://mail-archives.apache.**org/mod_mbox/openoffice-dev/**201307.mbox/%*
*3CCABoexJ3VoPdd2nm1xe4TM2q2wid**JRurmEt8n6Cn-jTh_toAULA%**
40mail.gmail.com%3Ehttp://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-dev/201307.mbox/%3CCABoexJ3VoPdd2nm1xe4TM2q2widJRurmEt8n6Cn-jTh_toAULA%40mail.gmail.com%3E



Here we go: http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/


\o/

Drew will be happy.


Marcus what about updating the feature section?


You means this text?

Features
Cross platform (Windows, Linux, Mac OS X)
170+ Languages
Extensions available
Commercial support available

I would also add a line with Templates available as it is linked on 
the bottom of the webpage.


Also at least a new screenshot with the sidebar would be great.

Marcus


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Re: [SourceForge] New defaults for AOO 4.0.0 release

2013-07-23 Thread Marcus (OOo)

Done



Am 07/22/2013 09:23 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):

https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/

SourceForge has a nice feature that the green download button provides
you with the respective build for your (or better: recognized) OS.

Up to now it's AOO 3.4.1.

I'll update this for AOO 4.0.0.

Marcus


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Re: Sourceforge video saying 3.4.1

2013-07-23 Thread Marcus (OOo)

Am 07/24/2013 01:08 AM, schrieb Shari Smith:

Just though someone might want to either pull the video or update it :)
http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/?source=dlp


@Roberto:
What do you think, can you update the video? Drew has posted here a 
version and link to his new brilliant artwork for AOO 4.0.0:


http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-dev/201307.mbox/%3CCABoexJ3VoPdd2nm1xe4TM2q2widJRurmEt8n6Cn-jTh_toAULA%40mail.gmail.com%3E


WTG  Thanks for this wonderful new version!
Shari


@Shari:
Thank you very much. We wish you much fun and success with the new release.

Marcus


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