Re: [OSM-dev] Changeset history - hide 'big' edits?

2009-09-28 Thread Shaun McDonald

On 27 Sep 2009, at 21:45, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:

 On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Valent Turkovic
 valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:14:31 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote:

 is a bit expensive to compute, and the bounding box offered by the  
 API
 is just meant to be a quick index that gives you an idea of which
 changesets could be relevant to the bbox you are looking at.

 I thought about one more thing, ok, so to check if somebody is  
 editing in
 my area it is expensive to check... so I had one other idea.

 Could you somehow add the size of the bounding box in RSS feed? And  
 also
 that I can choose only to see edits of certain size when looking at
 OSM.org site.

 The size of the bbox is already part of the Atom feeds via the GeoRSS
 extension. It'll look like this:

georss:box48.003869 7.8216504 48.0079714 7.8301403/georss:box


 From that you can calculate the big on your own client (e.g. Yahoo  
pipes):
http://trac.openstreetmap.org/browser/sites/rails_port/app/models/changeset.rb#L93
http://trac.openstreetmap.org/browser/sites/rails_port/app/views/changeset/_changeset.html.erb#L48

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Re: [OSM-dev] Changeset history - hide 'big' edits?

2009-09-27 Thread Pieren
On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Valent Turkovic
valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,
 there have been some talk about hiding big edits in changeset history,
 is there a plan to implement this feature soon?

 Thank you very much for your excellent work.

 Cheers from Croatia,
 Valent.

I don't think it is a good idea. If you do so, we will not see anymore
some potential issues like bots (see another thread) or vandalism.

Pieren

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Re: [OSM-dev] Changeset history - hide 'big' edits?

2009-09-27 Thread Shaun McDonald

On 27 Sep 2009, at 17:49, Pieren wrote:

 On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Valent Turkovic
 valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,
 there have been some talk about hiding big edits in changeset  
 history,
 is there a plan to implement this feature soon?

 Thank you very much for your excellent work.

 Cheers from Croatia,
 Valent.

 I don't think it is a good idea. If you do so, we will not see anymore
 some potential issues like bots (see another thread) or vandalism.

At some point, when there is time, it may be implemented as a toggle,  
i.e. you can hide the big routes as an option.

Shaun


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Re: [OSM-dev] Changeset history - hide 'big' edits?

2009-09-27 Thread Tom Hughes
On 27/09/09 17:37, Valent Turkovic wrote:

 there have been some talk about hiding big edits in changeset history,
 is there a plan to implement this feature soon?

People have suggested it but I'm not really sure about it - the problem 
is that it isn't really big changesets you want to hide, it is 
changesets which don't really change the area you're looking at.

The trouble is it is hard/expensive to work out whether a changeset 
changes a given area or not.

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Re: [OSM-dev] Changeset history - hide 'big' edits?

2009-09-27 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:49:26 +0200, Pieren wrote:

 I don't think it is a good idea. If you do so, we will not see anymore
 some potential issues like bots (see another thread) or vandalism.

The area size is irrelevant and should be completely ignored.

What I would like to know if anybody edited any node or way in area I'm 
watching, no matter how big the edited area is.

Currently I see edits in my city area [1] even if somebody adds a weather 
station in Antartica and his area is whole world. 
This is implemented completely wrong. I shouldn't see anything that is 
not edited in area I'm watching, no matter what is the size of area of 
other persons that edit.

And other issue is that RSS feed [2] has no Area (big) string. If it 
had I could as a temporary hack use Yahoo pipes to exclude big areas, 
but there are also some valid big areas that actually have edited points 
in area that I'm watching so that is not the real solution.

[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/history?bbox=18.5866%2C45.5177%2C18.7716%
2C45.5863

[2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/history/feed?bbox=18.5866%2C45.5177%
2C18.7716%2C45.5863

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Re: [OSM-dev] Changeset history - hide 'big' edits?

2009-09-27 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi,

Valent Turkovic wrote:
 What I would like to know if anybody edited any node or way in area I'm 
 watching, no matter how big the edited area is.

Yes. This would be a good service for an *external* service to offer. It 
is a bit expensive to compute, and the bounding box offered by the API 
is just meant to be a quick index that gives you an idea of which 
changesets could be relevant to the bbox you are looking at.

Anyone who is interested could analyse the change feeds coming from the 
API and tell you exactly which changesets affect any area of interest, 
and could also handle e-mail notifications etc. - this is not something 
that needs to, or indeed should, be in the central database.

Bye
Frederik


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Re: [OSM-dev] Changeset history - hide 'big' edits?

2009-09-27 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:14:31 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote:

 Yes. This would be a good service for an *external* service to offer. It

Why only for external service? I believe that this is crucial for 
monitoring because of vandalism and for watching newbies that usually 
make lots of mistakes.

Is it possible at least add area (big) in RSS feeds of changesets so it 
is filterable via external services (yahoo pipes)?

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Re: [OSM-dev] Changeset history - hide 'big' edits?

2009-09-27 Thread Shaun McDonald

On 27 Sep 2009, at 20:10, Valent Turkovic wrote:

 On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:14:31 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote:

 Yes. This would be a good service for an *external* service to  
 offer. It

 Why only for external service? I believe that this is crucial for
 monitoring because of vandalism and for watching newbies that usually
 make lots of mistakes.

Have you tried the ITOWorld OSMapper service?

Shaun


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Re: [OSM-dev] Changeset history - hide 'big' edits?

2009-09-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/27 Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com:
 On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:14:31 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote:

 Yes. This would be a good service for an *external* service to offer. It

 Why only for external service? I believe that this is crucial for
 monitoring because of vandalism and for watching newbies that usually
 make lots of mistakes.

 Is it possible at least add area (big) in RSS feeds of changesets so it
 is filterable via external services (yahoo pipes)?

do you know ito? It is a proprietary service but subscribing is free
and it offers this feature you are requesting (see all changes in a
certain area).

cheers,
Martin

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Re: [OSM-dev] Changeset history - hide 'big' edits?

2009-09-27 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:14:31 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote:

 is a bit expensive to compute, and the bounding box offered by the API
 is just meant to be a quick index that gives you an idea of which
 changesets could be relevant to the bbox you are looking at.

I thought about one more thing, ok, so to check if somebody is editing in 
my area it is expensive to check... so I had one other idea.

Could you somehow add the size of the bounding box in RSS feed? And also 
that I can choose only to see edits of certain size when looking at 
OSM.org site.

I would like to see on OSM.org changeset page info how big bounding box 
is, and not only Area (big) if it is bigger that some arbitrary size.

Could there be some rough categories, like; under 100km2, under 500km2, 
under 1000km2, under 5000km2, under 1km2, etc...

And that this value is also visible in RSS freed so I can filter it via 
yahoo pipes.

That this suggestion makes sense or am I talking rubbish?



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Re: [OSM-dev] Changeset history - hide 'big' edits?

2009-09-27 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:39:35 +0100, Shaun McDonald wrote:

 Have you tried the ITOWorld OSMapper service?

Yes I have, the issue is that OSMapper has a delay of on week ;(
If that would be live data than it would be great!

As you can see here:
http://www.itoworld.com/product/osm/feed?
area=1291:1show=sessionstoken=35c4bfb22021f7d459c5c6f2aea021cduser=1291



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Re: [OSM-dev] Changeset history - hide 'big' edits?

2009-09-27 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Valent Turkovic
valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 20:14:31 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote:

 is a bit expensive to compute, and the bounding box offered by the API
 is just meant to be a quick index that gives you an idea of which
 changesets could be relevant to the bbox you are looking at.

 I thought about one more thing, ok, so to check if somebody is editing in
 my area it is expensive to check... so I had one other idea.

 Could you somehow add the size of the bounding box in RSS feed? And also
 that I can choose only to see edits of certain size when looking at
 OSM.org site.

The size of the bbox is already part of the Atom feeds via the GeoRSS
extension. It'll look like this:

georss:box48.003869 7.8216504 48.0079714 7.8301403/georss:box

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