Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

[Philippe Chiasson]

I am also still around and keeping an eye on things, maybe from afar a little, 
but still here and invested.

For myself, I find that one of the challenges in filing board reports is having 
to effectively report more or less nothing of value, on a schedule that’s just 
long and infrequent enough to keep overlooking it, basically.

Sent from the depths of my mind on an iPhone

> On Mar 17, 2021, at 15:40, Sander Striker  wrote:
> 

> 
> Dear community members,
> 
> As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity reduces 
> to a level such that the project is no longer sustainable.  At Apache, 
> projects reach this stage when there are not at least 3 active PMC members 
> providing oversight. Projects that reach this stage are usually placed in the 
> Attic [1] or absorbed by another Apache project willing to manage its 
> releases.
> 
> If you are interested in seeing mod_perl remain an active project, and are 
> able to help maintain and provide oversight, please respond in this thread 
> indicating that you are interested in performing the duties of a PMC 
> member[2].
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Sander Striker
> Director, The Apache Software Foundation
> 
> [1] https://attic.apache.org/
> [2] https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html
> 

Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

[Adam Prime]

The projects current state is that no new development happening. This 
isn't to say that new development shouldn't happen, but it isn't. Apache 
and Perl both continue to move forward, and we are pretty lucky that the 
design that Stas, Phillipe, Geoff, etc built mod_perl 2 under is 
resilient enough to continue to despite the changes that both of these 
projects have made.


So, if the goal of the PMC is to maintain the status quo, then there is 
essentially no time required, aside from someone needing to file a 
report every few months saying that nothing has happened, and there were 
no releases. Things can only remain that way as long as there are no 
security problems that affect mod_perl, and neither Apache or Perl do 
anything that really breaks mod_perl.


Adam

On 3/17/2021 6:10 PM, Geoff Mottram wrote:

All,

I would certainly hate to see mod_perl no longer being maintained. I use 
it as a front-end for a library cataloging system that is very much 
alive, in-use and updated with recent HTML, CSS and JavaScript features. 
Rewriting this front-end in some other language would be a huge 
undertaking and would not provide much benefit because Apache + Perl + 
mod_perl not only do the job but do it extremely well.


While I don't understand what type of time commitment would be required, 
I would be happy to add my name to the bottom of any list should others 
have a strong desire to hold such a position.


Best,

Geoff Mottram

On 3/17/2021 3:40 PM, Sander Striker wrote:

Dear community members,

As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity 
reduces to a level such that the project is no longer sustainable.  At 
Apache, projects reach this stage when there are not at least 3 active 
PMC members providing oversight. Projects that reach this stage are 
usually placed in the Attic [1] or absorbed by another Apache project 
willing to manage its releases.


If you are interested in seeing mod_perl remain an active project, and 
are able to help maintain and provide oversight, please respond in 
this thread indicating that you are interested in performing the 
duties of a PMC member[2].


Cheers,

Sander Striker
Director, The Apache Software Foundation

[1] https://attic.apache.org/ 
[2] https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html 





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Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

[Adam Prime]

The projects current state is that no new development happening. This 
isn't to say that new development shouldn't happen, but it isn't. Apache 
and Perl both continue to move forward, and we are pretty lucky that the 
design that Stas, Phillipe, Geoff, etc built mod_perl 2 under is 
resilient enough to continue to despite the changes that both of these 
projects have made.


So, if the goal of the PMC is to maintain the status quo, then there is 
essentially no time required, aside from someone needing to file a 
report every few months saying that nothing has happened, and there were 
no releases. Things can only remain that way as long as there are no 
security problems that affect mod_perl, and neither Apache or Perl do 
anything that really breaks mod_perl.


Adam

On 3/17/2021 6:10 PM, Geoff Mottram wrote:

All,

I would certainly hate to see mod_perl no longer being maintained. I use 
it as a front-end for a library cataloging system that is very much 
alive, in-use and updated with recent HTML, CSS and JavaScript features. 
Rewriting this front-end in some other language would be a huge 
undertaking and would not provide much benefit because Apache + Perl + 
mod_perl not only do the job but do it extremely well.


While I don't understand what type of time commitment would be required, 
I would be happy to add my name to the bottom of any list should others 
have a strong desire to hold such a position.


Best,

Geoff Mottram

On 3/17/2021 3:40 PM, Sander Striker wrote:

Dear community members,

As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity 
reduces to a level such that the project is no longer sustainable.  At 
Apache, projects reach this stage when there are not at least 3 active 
PMC members providing oversight. Projects that reach this stage are 
usually placed in the Attic [1] or absorbed by another Apache project 
willing to manage its releases.


If you are interested in seeing mod_perl remain an active project, and 
are able to help maintain and provide oversight, please respond in 
this thread indicating that you are interested in performing the 
duties of a PMC member[2].


Cheers,

Sander Striker
Director, The Apache Software Foundation

[1] https://attic.apache.org/ 
[2] https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html 





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Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

[Steve Hay]

On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 at 19:40, Sander Striker  wrote:
>
> Dear community members,
>
> As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity reduces 
> to a level such that the project is no longer sustainable.  At Apache, 
> projects reach this stage when there are not at least 3 active PMC members 
> providing oversight. Projects that reach this stage are usually placed in the 
> Attic [1] or absorbed by another Apache project willing to manage its 
> releases.
>
> If you are interested in seeing mod_perl remain an active project, and are 
> able to help maintain and provide oversight, please respond in this thread 
> indicating that you are interested in performing the duties of a PMC 
> member[2].
>

I confirm again that I am still here and willing to participate and
sustain oversight of mod_perl as required.

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Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

[Geoff Mottram]

All,

I would certainly hate to see mod_perl no longer being maintained. I use 
it as a front-end for a library cataloging system that is very much 
alive, in-use and updated with recent HTML, CSS and JavaScript features. 
Rewriting this front-end in some other language would be a huge 
undertaking and would not provide much benefit because Apache + Perl + 
mod_perl not only do the job but do it extremely well.


While I don't understand what type of time commitment would be required, 
I would be happy to add my name to the bottom of any list should others 
have a strong desire to hold such a position.


Best,

Geoff Mottram

On 3/17/2021 3:40 PM, Sander Striker wrote:

Dear community members,

As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity 
reduces to a level such that the project is no longer sustainable.  At 
Apache, projects reach this stage when there are not at least 3 active 
PMC members providing oversight. Projects that reach this stage are 
usually placed in the Attic [1] or absorbed by another Apache project 
willing to manage its releases.


If you are interested in seeing mod_perl remain an active project, and 
are able to help maintain and provide oversight, please respond in this 
thread indicating that you are interested in performing the duties of a 
PMC member[2].


Cheers,

Sander Striker
Director, The Apache Software Foundation

[1] https://attic.apache.org/ 
[2] https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html 





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Re: [DISCUSS] The future of mod_perl

[Edward J. Sabol]

On Mar 17, 2021, at 3:40 PM, Sander Striker  wrote:
> If you are interested in seeing mod_perl remain an active project, and are 
> able to help maintain and provide oversight, please respond in this thread 
> indicating that you are interested in performing the duties of a PMC 
> member[2].

I am, but I'm not currently a committer, fwiw.

https://github.com/esabol

Regards,
Ed


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