Re: [racket-dev] Release Announcement for v5.3, third draft
I think the below should be somewhat reordered, as follows: On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Ryan Culpepper r...@cs.utah.edu wrote: * Most error messages use a new multi-line format * The new `racket/generic' library * The contract library comes with support for * The futures visualizer * Optimization Coach * Typed Racket supports function definitions with keyword arguments * A new `json' library * The `class' form supports declaring a method abstract. * The new `images/flomap' library * `racket/string' is extended -- sam th sa...@ccs.neu.edu _ Racket Developers list: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev
Re: [racket-dev] Release Announcement for v5.3, third draft
On 08/02/2012 11:16 AM, Ryan Culpepper wrote: [...] * There is now a very complete completion code for zsh. It is not included in the distribution though, get it at: http://goo.gl/DU8JK (This script and the bash completions will be included in the standard installers in future versions.) Should we leave this item out and include it in the future, once the scripts are actually included in the distribution? Ryan _ Racket Developers list: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev
Re: [racket-dev] Release Announcement for v5.3, third draft
At Thu, 02 Aug 2012 11:28:56 -0400, Ryan Culpepper wrote: On 08/02/2012 11:16 AM, Ryan Culpepper wrote: [...] * There is now a very complete completion code for zsh. It is not included in the distribution though, get it at: http://goo.gl/DU8JK (This script and the bash completions will be included in the standard installers in future versions.) Should we leave this item out and include it in the future, once the scripts are actually included in the distribution? I'd leave it out. This is unrelated to the release. Vincent _ Racket Developers list: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev
Re: [racket-dev] Release Announcement for v5.3, third draft
+1 On Aug 2, 2012, at 11:33 AM, Vincent St-Amour wrote: At Thu, 02 Aug 2012 11:28:56 -0400, Ryan Culpepper wrote: On 08/02/2012 11:16 AM, Ryan Culpepper wrote: [...] * There is now a very complete completion code for zsh. It is not included in the distribution though, get it at: http://goo.gl/DU8JK (This script and the bash completions will be included in the standard installers in future versions.) Should we leave this item out and include it in the future, once the scripts are actually included in the distribution? I'd leave it out. This is unrelated to the release. Vincent _ Racket Developers list: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature _ Racket Developers list: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev
Re: [racket-dev] Release Announcement for v5.3, third draft
Why? They are currently grouped according to features, e.g., class contracts and class abstract, and placed into adjacent groups, e.g., classes next to generics. On Aug 2, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: I think the below should be somewhat reordered, as follows: On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Ryan Culpepper r...@cs.utah.edu wrote: * Most error messages use a new multi-line format * The new `racket/generic' library * The contract library comes with support for * The futures visualizer * Optimization Coach * Typed Racket supports function definitions with keyword arguments * A new `json' library * The `class' form supports declaring a method abstract. * The new `images/flomap' library * `racket/string' is extended -- sam th sa...@ccs.neu.edu _ Racket Developers list: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature _ Racket Developers list: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev
Re: [racket-dev] Release Announcement for v5.3, third draft
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Matthias Felleisen matth...@ccs.neu.edu wrote: Why? They are currently grouped according to features, e.g., class contracts and class abstract, and placed into adjacent groups, e.g., classes next to generics. I attempted to order them by (my impression of) importance to Racket programmers. For example, the new error messages are likely to be the first thing people notice about v5.3. On Aug 2, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: I think the below should be somewhat reordered, as follows: On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Ryan Culpepper r...@cs.utah.edu wrote: * Most error messages use a new multi-line format * The new `racket/generic' library * The contract library comes with support for * The futures visualizer * Optimization Coach * Typed Racket supports function definitions with keyword arguments * A new `json' library * The `class' form supports declaring a method abstract. * The new `images/flomap' library * `racket/string' is extended -- sam th sa...@ccs.neu.edu _ Racket Developers list: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev -- sam th sa...@ccs.neu.edu _ Racket Developers list: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev
Re: [racket-dev] Release Announcement for v5.3, third draft
When you have a huge enumeration, like we do here, I think importance is extremely difficult to evaluate for a reasonably large audience but topics are easy to group. If you don't mind, let's leave it alone. On Aug 2, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Matthias Felleisen matth...@ccs.neu.edu wrote: Why? They are currently grouped according to features, e.g., class contracts and class abstract, and placed into adjacent groups, e.g., classes next to generics. I attempted to order them by (my impression of) importance to Racket programmers. For example, the new error messages are likely to be the first thing people notice about v5.3. On Aug 2, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: I think the below should be somewhat reordered, as follows: On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Ryan Culpepper r...@cs.utah.edu wrote: * Most error messages use a new multi-line format * The new `racket/generic' library * The contract library comes with support for * The futures visualizer * Optimization Coach * Typed Racket supports function definitions with keyword arguments * A new `json' library * The `class' form supports declaring a method abstract. * The new `images/flomap' library * `racket/string' is extended -- sam th sa...@ccs.neu.edu _ Racket Developers list: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev -- sam th sa...@ccs.neu.edu smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature _ Racket Developers list: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev
Re: [racket-dev] Release Announcement for v5.3, third draft
First, the grouping was not at all obvious from the text of the release announcement. Second, we (meaning the release manager) should make an effort to sort by importance. Release announcements are one of the primary ways that we communicate the cool things we're doing to our users. We should take advantage of that to help them use some of the really cool new things we've added, like better error messages and generics. On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Matthias Felleisen matth...@ccs.neu.edu wrote: When you have a huge enumeration, like we do here, I think importance is extremely difficult to evaluate for a reasonably large audience but topics are easy to group. If you don't mind, let's leave it alone. On Aug 2, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Matthias Felleisen matth...@ccs.neu.edu wrote: Why? They are currently grouped according to features, e.g., class contracts and class abstract, and placed into adjacent groups, e.g., classes next to generics. I attempted to order them by (my impression of) importance to Racket programmers. For example, the new error messages are likely to be the first thing people notice about v5.3. On Aug 2, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: I think the below should be somewhat reordered, as follows: On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Ryan Culpepper r...@cs.utah.edu wrote: * Most error messages use a new multi-line format * The new `racket/generic' library * The contract library comes with support for * The futures visualizer * Optimization Coach * Typed Racket supports function definitions with keyword arguments * A new `json' library * The `class' form supports declaring a method abstract. * The new `images/flomap' library * `racket/string' is extended -- sam th sa...@ccs.neu.edu _ Racket Developers list: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev -- sam th sa...@ccs.neu.edu -- sam th sa...@ccs.neu.edu _ Racket Developers list: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev
Re: [racket-dev] Release Announcement for v5.3, third draft
[Aggregated reply.] 10 hours ago, Ryan Culpepper wrote: * A new `json' library (derived from Dave Herman's PLaneT library) for parsing and generating JSON comes with the distribution. Please revert this to the original phrasing. The code is derived in a weak sense, since pretty much all of it was rewritten, and there are differences in both function names and the type that gets used. * `racket/string' is extended with string manipulation functions that avoid some basic regexp tweaks. My original phrasing here wasn't great, but the above is worse: I parse this sentence as saying that there were some regexp tweaks that were needed for some reason, and that's fixed. Maybe just this: `racket/string' is extended with a set of simplified string manipulation functions that are more convenient than using regexps. === DEPRECATION == (Graphically speaking, this separator is too bold.) Also, the two semi-deprecations-by-moving-to-planet items fit this group. 10 hours ago, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: I think the below should be somewhat reordered, as follows: On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Ryan Culpepper r...@cs.utah.edu wrote: * Most error messages use a new multi-line format * The new `racket/generic' library * The contract library comes with support for * The futures visualizer * Optimization Coach * Typed Racket supports function definitions with keyword arguments * A new `json' library * The `class' form supports declaring a method abstract. * The new `images/flomap' library * `racket/string' is extended I'd change this with - putting the json item higher since it's a popular library and since it is currently eye candy ^H^H^H buzzwordy enough to draw attention from quick skimmers (not schemers). - raising the string item too, at least I was surprised by the amount of excited feedback to it. - lower the generic item, since it's not something that many people will use (at least in this early stage). - The error messages item should be relatively high since it's something that will make most people's first impression, but it shouldn't be at the top part since it's not (yet) a functionality extension. 10 hours ago, Ryan Culpepper wrote: On 08/02/2012 11:16 AM, Ryan Culpepper wrote: * There is now a very complete completion code for zsh. It is not included in the distribution though, get it at: http://goo.gl/DU8JK (This script and the bash completions will be included in the standard installers in future versions.) Should we leave this item out and include it in the future, once the scripts are actually included in the distribution? Please leave it in -- a major clientele for these announcements are third-party packagers and sysadmins who often add such files as patches. Also, it would be good to have feedback on this before it's distributed and installed by default. In fact, I explicitly mentioned the bash completions file because it wasn't done when it came out. (And BTW, the code there is shaky enough IMO that it could *really* use some testing and hopefully some looking over from bash completion experts.) 10 hours ago, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: I attempted to order them by (my impression of) importance to Racket programmers. [...] If there is no clear agreement on the order then a possible option is to do the voting thing that we used in the past where you order your preferences and the result is the order that satisfies most people. (Yes, it'll be a minor hassle, but it seems to me like a good idea since this stage is fertile bikeshedding stuff.) Setting it up will take about two minutes. 10 hours ago, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt wrote: First, the grouping was not at all obvious from the text of the release announcement. Second, we (meaning the release manager) should make an effort to sort by importance. Release announcements are one of the primary ways that we communicate the cool things we're doing to our users. We should take advantage of that to help them use some of the really cool new things we've added, like better error messages and generics. (An obvious plus one for the importance of the order, and a couple of hundred minus ones for the implication that the order grouping was not carefully thought out.) -- ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) Eli Barzilay: http://barzilay.org/ Maze is Life! _ Racket Developers list: http://lists.racket-lang.org/dev
