I could not resist to post.
You talk about
* motivation. What do You think about new subproject Shale-RCP?
* Seam similar architecture. Which Shale concepts did Seam implemented?
Was Shale created to elaborate JCreator?
Sam Julian
Greg Reddin-4 wrote:
Shale is an open source project. It will never *die* unless the ASF
dies or kills it and nobody copies the code over to some other
repository. That's one of the main reasons we like open source. It's
not dependent on the existence of any person, company, or
organization.
It's funny how the discussion that occurred here and on the MyFaces
list has created all this buzz about Shale is dying and all that
crap. The biggest problem we have (and I'm part of the problem) is
that new people are not stepping up to the plate to contribute to the
development process and many of the existing committers are doing
other things and not contributing as much to the project.
Of course, the project has reached a level of stability where no
contribution is required to make the codebase inherently useful. Also
similar architectures like Seam and Facelets are taking some
Shale(ish) concepts and implementing them in other ways (with
corporate support) thus making parts of Shale redundant. As Gary said
some of the concepts of Shale are being introduced at spec level for
the next gen of JSF and might make Shale even more redundant. So the
motivation for people to step in and sling code is not necessarily
huge - especially given some of the barriers to entry that are
inherent in open source.
I know the tone of this message is a bit short, but please don't
detect any sense of anger or frustration in my thoughts. I'm just
trying to explain that inactivity != death. We're not like an infant
whose arms and legs are always in motion unless he's asleep. We're
more like old guys who sit on the porch and don't move unless our beer
glass is empty :-) If we all stop committing for 6 months or even a
year it does not mean the project is not being supported. In fact I'm
using parts of it in production every day. You can bet if I find a bug
I'll fix it - I just haven't found any yet in the stuff I'm using. The
fact that I haven't committed to any of the other parts just means my
time has been spent on other things (like watching an infant
constantly move his arms and legs for no particular reason).
I guess the bottom line is that Shale is not dead. If anybody is
unhappy with a lack of activity then, by all means, we welcome
activity.
Greg
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