Re: Brick Insurance

2007-01-31 Thread Tim Flavin
On 1/30/07, Mitch Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We shall take reasonable precautions to reduce the probability of reflash-brickage to an acceptable level. A level of 0 is neither achievable nor cost-effective. Will the production boards have pads or a header that can be used by an SPI

Re: Brick Insurance

2007-01-31 Thread Mitch Bradley
Tim Flavin wrote: On 1/30/07, Mitch Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We shall take reasonable precautions to reduce the probability of reflash-brickage to an acceptable level. A level of 0 is neither achievable nor cost-effective. Will the production boards have pads or a header that can

Re: Brick Insurance

2007-01-30 Thread Gabor Dolla
OLPC want to look at this type of brick insurance? Yes, I've just been waiting until we have a clearer idea of the final size of OFW before asking Mitch about it. Agreed. For now it won't help much because the EC code, which is a single point of failure, has to be upgraded so often due

Re: Brick Insurance

2007-01-30 Thread Ivan Krstić
Gabor Dolla wrote: Will this insurance thing defend against failed bios upgrade only ? Or will this thing help when Linux wouldn't boot or X or sugar can not start after software update ? Failed BIOS upgrade only, but we're looking at a different mechanism to similarly deal with userspace. --

Re: Brick Insurance

2007-01-30 Thread ron minnich
On 1/30/07, Mitch Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For now it won't help much because the EC code, which is a single point of failure, has to be upgraded so often due to changes from Quanta. yes, this is another reason I did not bring it up earlier :-) When that settles down, we should do

Re: Brick Insurance

2007-01-30 Thread Ivan Krstić
ron minnich wrote: flashus interruptus, due to things like power dropping, breaker tripping, or, literally, people tripping on a power cable :-) Yes, there's a battery, but ... maybe their battery has not charged for some reason. I asked early on that we skip flashing in a low-battery

Re: Brick Insurance

2007-01-30 Thread ron minnich
On 1/30/07, Ivan Krstić [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ron minnich wrote: flashus interruptus, due to things like power dropping, breaker tripping, or, literally, people tripping on a power cable :-) Yes, there's a battery, but ... maybe their battery has not charged for some reason. I asked

Re: Brick Insurance

2007-01-30 Thread Mitch Bradley
ron minnich wrote: On 1/30/07, Ivan Krstić [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ron minnich wrote: flashus interruptus, due to things like power dropping, breaker tripping, or, literally, people tripping on a power cable :-) Yes, there's a battery, but ... maybe their battery has not charged for some

Re: Brick Insurance

2007-01-30 Thread Jim Gettys
On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 09:48 -0700, ron minnich wrote: On 1/30/07, Mitch Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For now it won't help much because the EC code, which is a single point of failure, has to be upgraded so often due to changes from Quanta. yes, this is another reason I did not bring

Brick Insurance

2007-01-29 Thread ron minnich
LinuxBIOS has a brick insurance policy which we have made heavy use of in the supercomputing community. The operation is simple: two copies of the BIOS, plus a set of CMOS variables and associated code which allows for selection of a known-good, fallback BIOS, in the case of a failed reflash

Re: Brick Insurance

2007-01-29 Thread Ivan Krstić
ron minnich wrote: Question is, does OLPC want to look at this type of brick insurance? Yes, I've just been waiting until we have a clearer idea of the final size of OFW before asking Mitch about it. -- Ivan Krstić [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GPG: 0x147C722D

Re: Brick Insurance

2007-01-29 Thread Mitch Bradley
Ivan Krstić wrote: ron minnich wrote: Question is, does OLPC want to look at this type of brick insurance? Yes, I've just been waiting until we have a clearer idea of the final size of OFW before asking Mitch about it. Agreed. For now it won't help much because the EC code