Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 18:11 +0200, drago01 wrote: So I don't get what this flamefest is all about ... catching up on the thread at a remove of a couple of weeks, I'd say mostly it's about giant, swingingegos. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora

Dealing with circular BuildRequires?

2011-10-05 Thread Tom Lane
So I started experimenting with updating libpng to a new release series, and soon found out that it was impossible to rebuild its dependencies. For example, cairo BuildRequires: librsvg2-devel, and librsvg2 BuildRequires: cairo-devel, so there is no order in which I can rebuild them. How the heck

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 10/05/2011 02:41 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: You can try rebuilding your live image with this patch to spin-kickstarts: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=739446 to see if it makes any difference. it migrates the livesys stuff to systemd, at least to an extent. -- Migrating

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 07:16 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 10/05/2011 02:41 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: You can try rebuilding your live image with this patch to spin-kickstarts: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=739446 to see if it makes any difference. it migrates

Re: systemd and mounting filesystems

2011-10-05 Thread Michal Schmidt
On 10/05/2011 12:18 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 04.10.11 15:02, Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) wrote: I have a similar problem with some bind mounts over the root filesystem where systemd mounts them while the rootfs is still ro and hence they all wind up as ro until I remount them.

Re: systemd and mounting filesystems

2011-10-05 Thread Tom Hughes
On 05/10/11 08:51, Michal Schmidt wrote: On 10/05/2011 12:18 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 04.10.11 15:02, Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) wrote: I have a similar problem with some bind mounts over the root filesystem where systemd mounts them while the rootfs is still ro and hence they

Re: Heads up: e2fsprogs-1.42-WIP-0702 pushed to rawhide

2011-10-05 Thread Farkas Levente
On 10/05/2011 12:47 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 11:38:18PM +0200, Farkas Levente wrote: On 10/04/2011 05:30 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: XFS has been proven at this scale on Linux for a very long time, is all. the why rh do NOT support it in 32 bit? there're still system

Re: Dealing with circular BuildRequires?

2011-10-05 Thread Petr Pisar
On 2011-10-05, Tom Lane t...@redhat.com wrote: So I started experimenting with updating libpng to a new release series, and soon found out that it was impossible to rebuild its dependencies. For example, cairo BuildRequires: librsvg2-devel, and librsvg2 BuildRequires: cairo-devel, so there is

Re: systemd and mounting filesystems

2011-10-05 Thread Steven Whitehouse
Hi, On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 00:01 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 04.10.11 14:39, Steven Whitehouse (swhit...@redhat.com) wrote: Hi, Heya, I'm looking for some info on systemd and how filesystems are mounted in Fedora. I've started looking into converting the gfs2-utils

Re: systemd and mounting filesystems

2011-10-05 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 10/05/2011 08:55 AM, Steven Whitehouse wrote: Ok, excellent, so there is really just one issue to try and resolve in that case I think, which is the ordering of mounts vs. gfs_controld start, Hum... Could that be solved either by creating mount/path units ( for the mount point ) and or by

[Bug 743519] New: RFE: please update to 0.009

2011-10-05 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: RFE: please update to 0.009 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=743519 Summary: RFE: please update to 0.009 Product: Fedora

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

2011-10-05 Thread Steve Clark
On 10/05/2011 01:51 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 13:20 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: (That said, there definitely needs to be a way to disable it, and maybe it should even be disabled by default. I personally always uninstall yum- presto. For me, it's much faster to just

Re: Heads up: e2fsprogs-1.42-WIP-0702 pushed to rawhide

2011-10-05 Thread Ric Wheeler
On 10/05/2011 04:01 AM, Farkas Levente wrote: On 10/05/2011 12:47 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 11:38:18PM +0200, Farkas Levente wrote: On 10/04/2011 05:30 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: XFS has been proven at this scale on Linux for a very long time, is all. the why rh do

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Jeff MacDonald
On Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:08:33 PM Adam Williamson wrote: Windows used to have a gui that would show a ruler on your monitor and say hold a real ruler up to this and slide the slider until its the same size. Given what's been said about how windows handles DPI I can only wonder what

Re: Fedora kernel bug day.

2011-10-05 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Oct 03, 2011 at 15:36:27 -0400, Dave Jones da...@redhat.com wrote: So we're thinking of trying this again this thursday with a focus on 16, (but triage work on older releases is welcomed too). I have a bug (36242 at the unavailable kernel bugzilla and 684424 in Fedora) where sound

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 04.10.11 19:38, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote: On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 15:53 -0800, Jef Spaleta wrote: On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:32 PM, JB jb.1234a...@gmail.com wrote: Let me append The Blame Game. # systemd-analyze blame 32983ms livesys.service 22828ms

[perl-Class-Load] Update to 0.11

2011-10-05 Thread Paul Howarth
commit bf9aac4dbf863548c7b15f6ffe58f5c5f5473862 Author: Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org Date: Wed Oct 5 13:30:54 2011 +0100 Update to 0.11 - New upstream release 0.11: - Don't accept package names that start with a digit - Rewrite some of the guts to use Module::Runtime

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 15:09, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Tue, 04.10.11 19:38, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote: On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 15:53 -0800, Jef Spaleta wrote: On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:32 PM, JB jb.1234a...@gmail.com wrote: Let me append The Blame

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread Horst H. von Brand
Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Tue, 04.10.11 21:01, JB (jb.1234a...@gmail.com) wrote: Results interpretation. --- Knoppix won by a wide margin, while: - Knoppix having microknoppix fast-parallel boot (based on SysV/LSB scripts) and DE with low

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 04.10.11 19:40, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote: On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 16:55 -0800, Jef Spaleta wrote: On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:32 PM, JB jb.1234a...@gmail.com wrote: 13837ms udev-settle.service 11392ms plymouth-start.service if you use the plot option

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 05.10.11 10:17, Horst H. von Brand (vonbr...@inf.utfsm.cl) wrote: Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Tue, 04.10.11 21:01, JB (jb.1234a...@gmail.com) wrote: Results interpretation. --- Knoppix won by a wide margin, while: - Knoppix having

rawhide report: 20111005 changes

2011-10-05 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Wed Oct 5 08:15:57 UTC 2011 Broken deps for x86_64 -- 389-admin-1.1.23-1.fc17.i686 requires libicuuc.so.46 389-admin-1.1.23-1.fc17.i686 requires libicui18n.so.46 389-admin-1.1.23-1.fc17.i686

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread Kay Sievers
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 15:28, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Tue, 04.10.11 19:40, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote: On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 16:55 -0800, Jef Spaleta wrote: On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:32 PM, JB jb.1234a...@gmail.com wrote:  13837ms

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 19:05 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: 96dpi, however, is almost *never* correct, is it? So just taking a hardcoded number that Microsoft happened to pick a decade ago is hardly improving matters. The X default used to be 72dpi. Maybe it'll be something else in the future,

Re: release number when upstream *only* has git hashes?

2011-10-05 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 09:32:28PM -0700, Garrett Holmstrom wrote: On 2011-10-04 12:01, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: So my solyution: foo-0-1.20110120git.fc16 vs Your solution: foo-20110120-1.20110120git.fc16 (Since it's a snapshot, the date has to go into the release string anyway)

Re: release number when upstream *only* has git hashes?

2011-10-05 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 06:53:50AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 10/04/2011 09:01 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: Now do we want to put the git hash into the version field too? Yes, because git checkouts by date are not sufficiently reliable to provide deterministic checkouts from git. I

Re: Fedora kernel bug day.

2011-10-05 Thread Dave Jones
On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 07:33:22AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Mon, Oct 03, 2011 at 15:36:27 -0400, Dave Jones da...@redhat.com wrote: So we're thinking of trying this again this thursday with a focus on 16, (but triage work on older releases is welcomed too). I have a

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread Horst H. von Brand
Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: [Optimize boot on CD] Optimizations like this are always thinkable, but then again spending the time on optimizing CD boots sounds like a lot of time wasted on yesterday's technology. Humm... for a LiveCD for forensic work (at least) it should

[Bug 658976] perl-CGI, perl-CGI-Simple: CVE-2010-2761 - hardcoded MIME boundary value for multipart content, CVE-2010-4410 - CRLF injection allowing HTTP response splitting

2011-10-05 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 658976] perl-CGI, perl-CGI-Simple: CVE-2010-2761 - hardcoded MIME boundary value for multipart content, CVE-2010-4410 - CRLF injection allowing HTTP response splitting

2011-10-05 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 658976] perl-CGI, perl-CGI-Simple: CVE-2010-2761 - hardcoded MIME boundary value for multipart content, CVE-2010-4410 - CRLF injection allowing HTTP response splitting

2011-10-05 Thread bugzilla
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Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 05.10.11 11:40, Horst H. von Brand (vonbr...@inf.utfsm.cl) wrote: Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: [Optimize boot on CD] Optimizations like this are always thinkable, but then again spending the time on optimizing CD boots sounds like a lot of time wasted on

Re: Heads up: e2fsprogs-1.42-WIP-0702 pushed to rawhide

2011-10-05 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 10/4/11 6:53 PM, Ric Wheeler wrote: On 10/04/2011 07:19 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: On 10/03/2011 06:33 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: On 10/3/11 5:13 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Oct 03, 2011 at 04:11:28PM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote: testing something more real-world (20T ... 500T?)

Self Introduction

2011-10-05 Thread Trond Hasle Amundsen
Hi, Introducing myself as a prospective new package maintainer for Fedora. I recently filed a review request: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=743615 I'm the author of a few Nagios plugins, one of which has become widely used. The review above is for this plugin,

[Bug 658976] perl-CGI, perl-CGI-Simple: CVE-2010-2761 - hardcoded MIME boundary value for multipart content, CVE-2010-4410 - CRLF injection allowing HTTP response splitting

2011-10-05 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=658976 --- Comment #18 from Ramon de C Valle rcva...@redhat.com 2011-10-05 10:55:37 EDT --- Created perl-CGI tracking bugs for this

[Bug 658976] perl-CGI, perl-CGI-Simple: CVE-2010-2761 - hardcoded MIME boundary value for multipart content, CVE-2010-4410 - CRLF injection allowing HTTP response splitting

2011-10-05 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 743629] New: perl-CGI, perl-CGI-Simple: CVE-2010-2761 - hardcoded MIME boundary value for multipart content, CVE-2010-4410 - CRLF injection allowing HTTP response splitting [fedora-all]

2011-10-05 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 743629] perl-CGI, perl-CGI-Simple: CVE-2010-2761 - hardcoded MIME boundary value for multipart content, CVE-2010-4410 - CRLF injection allowing HTTP response splitting [fedora-all]

2011-10-05 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 658976] perl-CGI, perl-CGI-Simple: CVE-2010-2761 - hardcoded MIME boundary value for multipart content, CVE-2010-4410 - CRLF injection allowing HTTP response splitting

2011-10-05 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=658976 Bug 658976 depends on bug 743629, which changed state. Bug 743629 Summary: perl-CGI, perl-CGI-Simple: CVE-2010-2761 - hardcoded

Re: Fedora kernel bug day.

2011-10-05 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Dave Jones da...@redhat.com said: Hardware specific problems like this are a nightmare for us to diagnose. It might even come down to you needing to do a bisect to find the individual kernel change that caused the problem. (assuming you know a 'good' version to start from) I

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread JB
JB jb.1234abcd at gmail.com writes: ... The only difference to previous run is that ethernet cable (with good ISP service) was plugged in during boot time. You can see userspace time, and thus total time reduced by more than 300%. # less -i /var/log/messages ... Oct 5 05:33:51 localhost

Re: Unable to reach a package maintainer for deprecation request

2011-10-05 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:03:55 -0700 Steve Jenkins stevejenk...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure of the correct protocol in cases like this, so any guidance is appreciated. Early last month, I sent a message to all the addresses I could find for Jim Radford (jradford), the maintainer of the

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread Jef Spaleta
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: So essentially all that's going on here is 'wait for udev to be done', which is a fairly sensible prerequisite for all manner of other bits of boot. The reasons why udev takes a while to be 'done' are more interesting

Re: Heads up: e2fsprogs-1.42-WIP-0702 pushed to rawhide

2011-10-05 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 10/5/11 9:58 AM, Eric Sandeen wrote: On 10/4/11 6:53 PM, Ric Wheeler wrote: ... Note that ext4 has a new feature that allows inodes to be initialized in the background, so you will see much quicker mkfs.ext4 times as well :) right; for large ext4 fs use (or testing), try #

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Matyas Selmeci
Adam Williamson wrote on Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 07:08:33PM -0700: On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 16:24 -0400, Casey Dahlin wrote: On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 04:17:08PM -0400, Martin Langhoff wrote: For fedora users, as others have mentioned, perhaps a UI that lets users test a couple of possible dpi

Re: Dealing with circular BuildRequires?

2011-10-05 Thread Tom Lane
Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com writes: On 2011-10-05, Tom Lane t...@redhat.com wrote: For example, cairo BuildRequires: librsvg2-devel, and librsvg2 BuildRequires: cairo-devel, so there is no order in which I can rebuild them. How the heck did we get into such a situation, and what should I do

File MooseX-Types-Structured-0.28.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by iarnell

2011-10-05 Thread Iain Arnell
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-MooseX-Types-Structured: 40f9fc2bd8c66803266a1c16f8fb2742 MooseX-Types-Structured-0.28.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-MooseX-Types-Structured] update to 0.28

2011-10-05 Thread Iain Arnell
commit cb5c572bd5cc8cd95d14276ad0224c7011730100 Author: Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com Date: Wed Oct 5 18:31:56 2011 +0200 update to 0.28 .gitignore|1 + perl-MooseX-Types-Structured.spec |7 +-- sources |2 +- 3 files

[perl-MooseX-Types-Structured/f16] update to 0.28

2011-10-05 Thread Iain Arnell
Summary of changes: cb5c572... update to 0.28 (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-MooseX-Types-Structured/f15] (3 commits) ...update to 0.28

2011-10-05 Thread Iain Arnell
Summary of changes: d8d43b6... update to 0.27 (*) c4d4051... Perl mass rebuild (*) cb5c572... update to 0.28 (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list

[perl-MooseX-Types-Structured/f14] (6 commits) ...update to 0.28

2011-10-05 Thread Iain Arnell
Summary of changes: ce02159... update to 0.26 (*) e722023... additional provides for packages hidden from PAUSE (*) 45876b0... - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_Mass (*) d8d43b6... update to 0.27 (*) c4d4051... Perl mass rebuild (*) cb5c572... update to 0.28 (*)

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 10:49 -0500, Matyas Selmeci wrote: Windows used to have a gui that would show a ruler on your monitor and say hold a real ruler up to this and slide the slider until its the same size. Given what's been said about how windows handles DPI I can only wonder what it

Re: Dealing with circular BuildRequires?

2011-10-05 Thread Nathanael D. Noblet
On 10/05/2011 10:02 AM, Tom Lane wrote: What exactly did you do for dependency-ordered builds? What I could really use right now is a tool that would sort the package list into dependency order for me, and point to where there are circularities. I'd like to think that wheel has been invented

Re: Fedora kernel bug day.

2011-10-05 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 10:38:18 -0400, Dave Jones da...@redhat.com wrote: The kernel-debug rpm should have everything you'd need. But I can't get the system to crash to get a traceback. It just hangs. I tried using the sysrq commands and NMI timeouts and I haven't been able to get a dump or

Re: Dealing with circular BuildRequires?

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Huffman
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Tom Lane t...@redhat.com wrote: Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com writes: On 2011-10-05, Tom Lane t...@redhat.com wrote: For example, cairo BuildRequires: librsvg2-devel, and librsvg2 BuildRequires: cairo-devel, so there is no order in which I can rebuild them.  How

Re: Dealing with circular BuildRequires?

2011-10-05 Thread seth vidal
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 10:17 -0600, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: On 10/05/2011 10:02 AM, Tom Lane wrote: What exactly did you do for dependency-ordered builds? What I could really use right now is a tool that would sort the package list into dependency order for me, and point to where there

[Bug 743519] RFE: please update to 0.009

2011-10-05 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=743519 Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org changed: What|Removed |Added

Re: release number when upstream *only* has git hashes?

2011-10-05 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/05/2011 04:35 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 06:53:50AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 10/04/2011 09:01 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: Now do we want to put the git hash into the version field too? Yes, because git checkouts by date are not sufficiently reliable to

[pkgdb] perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule (un)retirement

2011-10-05 Thread Fedora PackageDB
Package perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule in Fedora devel has been retired by steve To make changes to this package see: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list

[pkgdb] perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule (un)retirement

2011-10-05 Thread Fedora PackageDB
Package perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule in Fedora 16 has been retired by steve To make changes to this package see: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list

Re: GDBM upgrade in F17

2011-10-05 Thread Jesse Keating
On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:31 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-29 at 09:39 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote: On Sep 29, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Nils Philippsen wrote: Ahh I'm late. Anyway, that's a side-effect of using the bodhi interface to manage something in koji then. It'd still be handy if we

[Bug 741576] perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.39 is available

2011-10-05 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 741576] perl-DateTime-TimeZone-1.39 is available

2011-10-05 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=741576 --- Comment #5 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org 2011-10-05 13:36:06 EDT ---

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread JB
Jef Spaleta jspaleta at gmail.com writes: On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Adam Williamson awilliam at redhat.com wrote: So essentially all that's going on here is 'wait for udev to be done', which is a fairly sensible prerequisite for all manner of other bits of boot. The reasons

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 09:26:59AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: You just did, sorry. ;) Hardware sucks. We know this. Fedora generally takes the position that it's correct to engineer things properly and regretfully explain that the hardware sucks when this causes problems, not engineer

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Peter Jones
On 10/05/2011 12:26 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: You just did, sorry. ;) Hardware sucks. We know this. Fedora generally takes the position that it's correct to engineer things properly and regretfully explain that the hardware sucks when this causes problems, not engineer hacks and bodges to

Re: Heads up: e2fsprogs-1.42-WIP-0702 pushed to rawhide

2011-10-05 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 09:58:59AM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote: right; for large ext4 fs use (or testing), try # mkfs.ext4 -E lazy_itable_init=1 /dev/blah this will cause it to skip inode table initialization, and speed up mkfs a LOT. It'll also keep sparse test images smaller. IMHO this

Re: Heads up: e2fsprogs-1.42-WIP-0702 pushed to rawhide

2011-10-05 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 10:42:37AM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote: On 10/5/11 9:58 AM, Eric Sandeen wrote: On 10/4/11 6:53 PM, Ric Wheeler wrote: ... Note that ext4 has a new feature that allows inodes to be initialized in the background, so you will see much quicker mkfs.ext4 times as

Re: Fedora kernel bug day.

2011-10-05 Thread Dave Jones
Some details about the triage day we are holding tomorrow. Where: #fedora-kernel on irc.freenode.net When: October 6th 2011 What: The primary focus is going to be on getting things in the best shape possible for Fedora 16's release. However there are some useful things that can be done for all

Re: GDBM upgrade in F17

2011-10-05 Thread Tom Lane
Jesse Keating jkeat...@j2solutions.net writes: tl;dr if you're looking for bodhi to allow on-demand creation of topic-tags for isolating build efforts from rawhide, that's too expensive of an item to allow a free-for-all at this time, in my opinion. Fair enough. Is there a policy or

Re: GDBM upgrade in F17

2011-10-05 Thread Jesse Keating
On Oct 5, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Tom Lane wrote: Jesse Keating jkeat...@j2solutions.net writes: tl;dr if you're looking for bodhi to allow on-demand creation of topic-tags for isolating build efforts from rawhide, that's too expensive of an item to allow a free-for-all at this time, in my

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread Jef Spaleta
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 9:22 AM, JB jb.1234a...@gmail.com wrote: Here it is. No..that's not it.. that is the starting point necessary to understand the udev differences between the two systems. It is not a dissection. To understand what is happening with udev across those systems you have to

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 13:50 -0400, Peter Jones wrote: On 10/05/2011 12:26 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: You just did, sorry. ;) Hardware sucks. We know this. Fedora generally takes the position that it's correct to engineer things properly and regretfully explain that the hardware sucks when

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 18:49 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: So, ok, now you have some belief about the DPI. But which DPI? If you're dual head, you've got two. Unless they match you're screwed - there's no magic way to get applications to reflow text just because you've moved the window

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 15:28 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: Please, don't claim that udev settle was a sensible prerequisite. It isn't. It has no place in today's dynamic hardware. Thanks for the correction. (you might want to talk to the anaconda team, then, because liveinst runs 'udevadm

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread Bill Nottingham
Kay Sievers (kay.siev...@vrfy.org) said: Any system service that today relies in its core on 'udevadm settle' or scsi-wait-scan module, or any of the other bad hacks in that category, anything that uses these barriers as a checkpoint to block on, to do its synchronous actions, should be

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 12:31 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 18:49 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: So, ok, now you have some belief about the DPI. But which DPI? If you're dual head, you've got two. Unless they match you're screwed - there's no magic way to get

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 15:44 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 12:31 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 18:49 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: So, ok, now you have some belief about the DPI. But which DPI? If you're dual head, you've got two. Unless they

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Bob Arendt
On 10/05/11 12:31, Adam Williamson wrote: Like I replied to ajax, I suspect when the problem of assuming everything's 96dpi becomes simply too acute, instead of fixing everything really properly so that all displays correct report their size and all desktops actually do resolution independence

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler
Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com writes: [...] But that's still going to require some kind of sensible handling of the case where one monitor is roughly 100dpi and the other is roughly 200dpi, unless we simply say 'you can't do that, all your displays have to be in the same DPI Category'.

Re: Fedora 16 beta vice Knoppix

2011-10-05 Thread Jef Spaleta
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 5:56 AM, Kay Sievers kay.siev...@vrfy.org wrote: There is no general rule, but anything that calls 'udevadm settle' is suspicious and should be carefully checked if it does not rely on assumptions which just bet on luck and can't reliably work in hotplug setups. Kay,

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 12:49 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 15:44 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 12:31 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 18:49 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: So, ok, now you have some belief about the DPI. But which

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 15:56 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: Are you saying fonts should change on the fly when I move an app between 2 monitors that have different DPIs ? If they're sufficiently different in DPI, sure. Or would you really want everything to suddenly become twice as small if

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 12:31:50PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: Like I replied to ajax, I suspect when the problem of assuming everything's 96dpi becomes simply too acute, instead of fixing everything really properly so that all displays correct report their size and all desktops actually do

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 21:31 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 12:31:50PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: Like I replied to ajax, I suspect when the problem of assuming everything's 96dpi becomes simply too acute, instead of fixing everything really properly so that all

Re: how to have yum prefer one dependency over others

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 06:54 -0400, Steve Clark wrote: On 10/05/2011 01:51 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 13:20 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: (That said, there definitely needs to be a way to disable it, and maybe it should even be disabled by default. I personally

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 01:34:43PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: I'm just saying it would probably pay off to put some thought *now* into how to manage things when higher resolution displays become so prevalent that they can't be ignored, rather than desperately scrambling to catch up when

Re: About Feature enhancement Updates Policy

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2011-09-26 at 11:42 -0300, Sergio Belkin wrote: Abiword releases a new version that adds compatibility with WordStar 4.0 documents. It also completely updates the user interface to use pie menus. This would be a feature enhancement with a major user experience change, and would

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Benny Amorsen
Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org writes: We have no technological solution for dealing with the fact that applications may move from one DPI to another at runtime, and may even be displaying on both displays at once. From a technology viewpoint, that is actually theoretically easy to

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCO meeting (2011-10-03)

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2011-10-03 at 13:46 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: * #667 Request to fix CRITPATH update process (ajax, 17:06:03) * AGREED: critpath package rules to be modified per sgallagh's proposal above (ajax, 17:14:09) * ACTION: nirik to file bodhi ticket for critpath change (ajax,

Re: Fedora kernel bug day.

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2011-10-03 at 15:36 -0400, Dave Jones wrote: On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 10:24:45PM -0400, Dave Jones wrote: On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 03:33:24PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: We'll be doing this in #fedora-kernel next Monday (22nd) I expect that the wiki page will continue

Re: GDBM upgrade in F17

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 10:06 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:31 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-29 at 09:39 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote: On Sep 29, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Nils Philippsen wrote: Ahh I'm late. Anyway, that's a side-effect of using the bodhi interface

Re: Heads up: e2fsprogs-1.42-WIP-0702 pushed to rawhide

2011-10-05 Thread Farkas Levente
On 10/05/2011 05:42 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: right; for large ext4 fs use (or testing), try # mkfs.ext4 -E lazy_itable_init=1 /dev/blah this will cause it to skip inode table initialization, and speed up mkfs a LOT. It'll also keep sparse test images smaller. IMHO this should probably be

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 11:11:38PM +0200, Benny Amorsen wrote: Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org writes: We have no technological solution for dealing with the fact that applications may move from one DPI to another at runtime, and may even be displaying on both displays at once.

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 23:11 +0200, Benny Amorsen wrote: Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org writes: We have no technological solution for dealing with the fact that applications may move from one DPI to another at runtime, and may even be displaying on both displays at once. From a

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-05 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 5.10.2011 21:56, Simo Sorce napsal(a): On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 12:49 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 15:44 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 12:31 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 18:49 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: So, ok, now you have

[Bug 743544] New: perl-Module-Runtime-0.009 is available

2011-10-05 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: perl-Module-Runtime-0.009 is available https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=743544 Summary: perl-Module-Runtime-0.009 is available Product:

[Bug 743542] New: perl-Config-Properties-1.73 is available

2011-10-05 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 743519] RFE: please update to 0.009

2011-10-05 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 743544] perl-Module-Runtime-0.009 is available

2011-10-05 Thread bugzilla
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